just heard Daniel Shorr of NPR calling Bush admin a "junta" and comparing their sins to Watergate

not up as a transcript yet

Guess at his age he has nothing to lose..so he can speak up.

...but very accurate with regard to BushCo.

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Definitions of JUNTA on the Web:

Military government coalition.
www.infohub.com/Destinations/South-America/Argentina/85480.htm

a clique that seeks power usually through intrigue.
missbunbun.tripod.com/id7.html

A group of military officers controlling a country especially after a revolution.
www.apheda.org.au/campaigns/burma_schools_kit/resources/1074040257_16812.html

A Spanish word meaning a group of individuals forming a government, especially after a revolution or coup d'etat.
www.comune.venezia.it/atlante/documents/glossary/nelson_glossary.htm

(Pronounced like "hoonta".) A small group of men who have taken control of the government In a military coup, and who govern in a dictatorship. Most states of Latin America have frequently been governed by a junta.
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

about how many years it would take before all of Bush's sins and crimes come to light.

"Well, aren't we Mr. Gloomy!" It was another commentator they had added for "balance" who was clearly a Fox-like know-nothing.

Fits the description.

n/t

voice when he responded to her.

are still under lock and key as they have been for 20 years -- IIRC they were supposed to be released to public ten years ago but * is keeping them locked up by some pretense or other.

At the time, the shredders in Ollie North's office kept jamming and North's secretary, Fawn Hall, was smuggling incriminating documents out in her boots.

I would imagine Poppy Bush's papers from the Iran-Contra scandal days would be of great interest, if we can ever get a look at them.

Seems like waiting 20 years is waiting long enough, somehow.

At least we know Iran has WMD(TOW missiles were one item I believe) -- we still have the receipts.

on Iran Contra, and around the time of the '92 election, they got confirmation of the '80 October Surprise.

But because Clinton had won, they figured let bygones be bygones.

The problem is, the right sees forgiveness as a sign of weakness and comes back at you with longer knives to hot dress you for dinner.

I have a feeling the Democrats will ultimately do this with the Bushies:

"Oh, they are out of office and a minority now--there's no point in kicking them further down the stairs."

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The problem is, the right sees forgiveness as a sign of weakness and comes back at you with longer knives to hot dress you for dinner.
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Very true. Any sign of "trying to get along" is perceived as buckling under. Willingness to compromise is seen as willingness to capitulate.

It's like they're hard-wired this way.

I just hope I live long enough to see Poppy's papers on Iran-Contra come out, because his "I was out of the loop" declaration was laughable on its face way back then, and we need him to be held accountable for his transgressions.

Bush has so utterly violated the Constitution that I wonder what the repercussions will be.

You know what else was different about Watergate? Congress acted. Triangulation was what you did with pool balls back then, it was not considered leadership.

I don't say Daniel Schorr is irreplaceable for sentimental reasons, the way people sometimes get sentimental about old folks, but simply because NOBODY has appeared who can replace him. That's kind of terrifying now that Daniel Schorr is like 112 or something. It's less the dread of losing him that gets me down than the knowledge that the system has ground on for decades now without allowing a Daniel Schorr to be admitted into the ranks of broadcast journalism. Or else budding Daniel Schorrs have been weeded out of the system during the same time before they could flourish. If the corporate media system can exclude, preclude, discourage and extirpate broadcast journalists of the caliber of Mr. Schorr for as long as it has now managed, there seems no reason to think it can't continue to do so forever.

(aka, today's Watergate) was done via phone tapping and email surveillance, before and after NSA. Dems = Terrorists. I'll never be convinced otherwise and it has to be the reason why they are so protective of their emails and personnel. The Repug party would "spin" out of control if that was ever proven.

It would only take one person to admit they had Kerry under their eyes/ears to blow the whole thing up. Where is that person? If my memory serves me correctly, it was someone who mentioned the tape recorder that Nixon had set up which blew the Watergate case wide open.

Yes, it was Alexander Butterfield who blew the whole thing open wide by revealing the existence of the taping system in the White House.

Read an interview in which he said he had waited until he was asked exactly the right question, and when it was asked, he had decided that would not lie under oath.

Who will be our Mr. Butterfield I wonder?

glc

...and that he waited to be "asked" before providing the information. Memory cells are going bye-bye, I'm afraid.

to impeach any other president.

Remember filegate during the Clinton era?

1. Prior to 9-11, terrorism was not one of their priorities. Cheney's terrorism task force never met, they ignored warnings from Richard Clarke and other experts, etc.

2. The illegal surveillance began *prior* to 9-11. Shortly after they took office, in fact.

They clearly weren't using their illegal spying to eavesdrop on suspected terrorists for those first 9 months, so who *were* they spying on? Seems like the political, and possibly business, opposition are the only candidates.