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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:34 PM
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Heard a shocker at Church today. .
Down at the coffeehour, one of the people I don't know very well was talking about healthcare woes (insurance & HBO related, natch) and I mentioned how the Canadian & French systems operate... He kind of listened . . past what I said and then hit me with this:
"You know we're paying for all the healthcare for the all Iraqis, right?". . I was so dumbfounded that I was (uncharacteristically) speechless.. I hadn't even heard rumors of Limblah floating that particular turd. Where the heck did he get that?
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diddlysquat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:36 PM
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1. It seems
to me that Iraqis are getting ZERO healthcare.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:40 PM
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2. it seems the Iraqis get zero everything
and nobody can tell us where their money for the oil went.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:56 PM
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16. "You want to know where the oil money went?" - Commander AWOL
"Eat shit and die you American taxpaying citizen you
Me and my cabal of republicon cronies ain't telling nothing
Smirk, Smirk, Smirk" - Commander AWOL
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 03:29 PM
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17. Well, we know Halliburton has been in charge of it
so I have an educated guess where it went.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:15 PM
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35. Make that an "educated certainty"
"Smirk, smirk, smirk"

- Cabal of corrupt republicon cronies
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:50 PM
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36. Yes, indeed
I just wish that we could get more support from the Congress from both sides to actually do something, there are people from
Reagan's administration that are calling for impeachment and I never thought of them as starry eyed liberals. I really
don't comprehend why the Congress refuses to budge, even now when they see the surge is not the save the day plan it was
made out to be.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:42 PM
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5. Read carefully...
It just says we're paying for their health care. }( I'm sure we are.

--IMM
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 03:33 PM
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18. Yes, like we paid for the Iraqi reconstruction
if you blink twice you'll miss it.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:19 PM
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19. More like a demolition practice range.
"We'll build the schools and hospitals, you guys bomb 'em to smithereens!"

--IMM
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:46 PM
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21. yes, it would have been better to win the war and then
do the reconstruction instead of reconstruction, war, rebuild, repeat
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:40 PM
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3. Been a talking point forever
Both the left and right. We're providing universal health care in Iraq, but we won't do it for our own citizens.

Even though what we construct either falls apart or is destroyed by more fighting.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:41 PM
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4. National healthcare was the one thing the regime got shamed
into redoing. Then they made sure the hospitals were falling down, lacked basic security and were short of supplies.

The majority of Iraqi health professionals have fled the country. Some will never go back. The system is exactly what privatizers want, wrecked.

Oil revenue paid for the Iraqi public health system until we invaded. Tell her that.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:43 PM
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6. WTF... they're lucky if they get a shower.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:45 PM
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7. Right read Imperial Life in the Emerald City
Under Saddam they had Universal Health care and One of Bush's brain trust sent over there could not believe they got "free" health and tried and failed big time to set up a HBO system with co-payments.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:47 PM
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8. Right out of his ass, Iraq has it's own medical system but the war
...has overtaxed the health care there by increasing the number of Iraqis who are wounded and sick while at the same time caused many of the doctors and medical staff to flee. The medical schools are operating at way below capacity so the flow of replacements of trained medical people is virtually a trickle compared to what is needed. The flow of medical supplies to Iraqi health care facilities is far from adequate. Hundreds of Iraqi children and elderly still die every day because of lack of proper medical care. What care they receive is mostly all voluntary.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:51 PM
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9. HBO is now providing insurance?
:evilgrin: I'm such a smart ass.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:07 PM
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10. It happened some time back with the last major Iraqi "reonstruction bill" that
the repukes approved before the 2006 elections...

WE are paying for their ENTIRE HEALTHCARE - not that they actually can "receive" that care thanks to the civil war WE instigated - if they manage to make it to a clinic or hospital - it's all FREE for them...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:08 PM
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11. The Cuban system works that way also.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:16 PM
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12. And this further proves what I've said for years now.
George Bush has sacrificed Americans' best interests in favor of Iraq's. That makes him a fucking traitor.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:42 PM
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13. We are, they have universal healthcare paid for by the US
taxpayer.

Kind of ironic I would think...
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:44 PM
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14. Paying for, yes. Successfully providing, ha.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:47 PM
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15. And what the hell does he think he proves by saying that?
Was his point that he resents paying for healthcare for those damned Iraqis?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:49 PM
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22. Yup.. I think that was where he was comingfrom. . n/t
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:55 PM
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23. Well I guess I see his point--I mean they're going to go to Hell anyway
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 04:56 PM by kenny blankenship
(since they are infidel dogs) so why prolong their stay on Earth with healthcare? Just a waste of money since worms and the Devil get it all in the longrun.

For a second there I thought maybe his anger was directed at the fact that the Bush Administration extends to Iraqis, who're shooting at us, a benefit which is denied to Americans.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:59 PM
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24. How does anyone know that isn't what he meant?
Oh, because he was in a church, which means you can assume x y and z about him...
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:09 PM
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25. You may want to ask Anna that since she's the one who heard him
and I didn't assume anything about his Christian goodwill towards Iraqis--I inquired about his meaning. It seems on the testimony of Ms. Annabanna that his goodwill is nil.

And yours I have my own guesses about.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:14 PM
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26. Your guesses, in both cases, are unimpressive.
And to try to argue in retrospect that you "didn't assume anything" is equally uninspired, since every word of your post from "Well I guess I see his point--I mean they're going to go to Hell anyway" to "For a second there I thought maybe his anger was..." is inescapably glued to an assumption about his meaning. Oh, and hitching your assumption to other people's assumptions doesn't give you a pass either.

Nice living up to the scholastic standards of your namesake though.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:20 PM
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27. Nope I ASKED what he meant by that remark --don't bear false witness now!
I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. I will trust Anna's interpretation of his meaning provisionally, since she knows him, and she knows the kinds of things he says.

Nice job of not living up to the standards of your own religion. You positively drip with "goodwill".
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:38 PM
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28. Another very weak attempt.
Torn from page 2 of the "anti-theist playbook," second edition I believe. "Instead of actually addressing points, accuse opponent of being a bad __(fill in the blank)___." What new and fresh idea will I be met with next?

No, you did not give him the benefit of the doubt. You were perfectly willing to condemn a person based on a half-hearted interpretation of a second person. (Uhh, I think that's what he meant, yeah.) Hardly a strong case you've presented here.





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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:44 PM
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29. Oh you are so very stroooong ! I could not possibly hope to match you!
Welcome to ignore, hypocrite.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:55 PM
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31. Ah ignore, the last refuge
of a scoundrel that can't back up their smears with anything but more smears.

You will not be in rare company.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:33 PM
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38. It is a very liberal Episcopalian congregation
(if that's what's worrying you)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:07 PM
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34. Well, who asked us to provide healthcare for them anyway?
I'm sure that the Iraqis wish that we'd minded our own damn business - and our own damned healthcare system.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:22 PM
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20. Iraqi Constitution: Article 31: "Every citizen has the right to health care".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101100961.html

>>
Article 31: "Every citizen has the right to health care. The state takes care of public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and medical institutions."
>>
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:48 PM
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30. We're also paying for all of the injuries
So I guess it makes sense. All those bullets and bombs aren't free, yanno!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:59 PM
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32. this is another moment when I really need
a "confused beagle" emoticon--a smiley cocking its head to the side and looking to the heavens for some kind of explanation.

Although this expresses it rather well, too :wtf:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:02 PM
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33. So, say: "I'm so glad you agree that we need to get out of Iraq Immediately"
"Bring the troops home RIGHT NOW. Like you say, Not one more dime on Iraq! And I'm glad you'll join me in calling our congresspeople to demand full audits of every U.S. taxpayer dollar that has been spent over there"
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:57 PM
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37. I remember way back when Clinton was on Sixty Minutes that
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 06:59 PM by Cleita
he made a comment about the health care plan that the Bush administration had promised to the Iraqis and not his own citizens, us. We hadn't yet gotton Saddam if I remember correctly. I don't think it was ever delivered. If they can't give them electricity, I don't think health care is even thought of. Sounds like your fellow church goer was throwing in a strawman to divert your attention and no doubt he learned it from Rush/Sean/Bill.
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