Bev Dudley (aka Harris) attacks Keith Olbermann, sides with GOP talking points

Note to moderators: While this may ostensibly be considered an "election reform" issue, it needs to be in GD because it concerns all DUers who have supported or support Bev and her organization as "the good fight" against the RW attempts to corrupt the voting process in this country, whether by faulty voting machines or bogus claims of fraud. Here Bev comes down against the Keith and his view that the GOP has been perverting the entire justice system to keep minorities from voting.

Listen to what Keith reported here about Gonzalez:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050807A.shtml


Now read what Bev said about his story. Compare and contrast what she says with what Gonzalez, Delay, et al, have said over the last six years:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShowMeTheVote/message/119



Is there now ANY doubt that Bev and her organization have ZERO to do with honest voting reform? Bev has realized that the cash cow she had tapped on the Left has dried up. She is now trying to milk the right for support by promoting their lies under the guise of "voting reform".

(My thanks to Troublewinter for finding this).

Anyone who does not absolutely agree with then on absolutely everything is a crook and a felon...that is about what they said. I basically agree with her on election reform but when I asked a purely informational question at this meeting they just about jumped down my throat. They seemed almost cultish to me.

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she should do real well with the repukes.

"Cultish"

Though, I would also add "opportunistic".

:rofl:

I'm stealing that.

:spray:

Heck, I'm half willing to bet that as it is!

:rofl:

RL

:rofl:

Damn, that's a good one!

Along with nausea.

(this attack has me curious who she is speaking for)

Are we not allowed to worry about many different kinds of election fraud?

American.

If that's true, I wonder if her spouse is okay with the obviously racist propaganda she's spewing for the right:

"He tucked a blatantly racist comment in there that only a myopic white liberal
could love. Something about a threat to clamp down on voter fraud being an
intimidation tactic for African American voters. What bullshit. And this
implies exactly WHAT about Black Americans??? An obvious ploy to get white
liberals heatedly Democratic, but exploitive and insulting to the black
community, what else is new."

I mean, the above isn't just propaganda, it's bad propaganda.

but her husband is.

When people no longer have a center spot on the stage of public discourse, and their views are no longer considered important or credible, they tend to do things of this nature--toss a big stink bomb at another public figure, in order to perpetuate their moment in the spotlight. Ann Coulter does it frequently, because she's been "out of gas" for some time now. This woman isn't as infamous as Coulter, though.

She's a rank amateur at framing a Rovian "Gotcha! Outrage!!" argument, too. Trying to ascribe any sort of racist, or even sexist, taint to Olberman (check out the staff of his show, to include his producers) is well, incredibly stupid and suggests she doesn't know a thing about the fellow at all. It's like trying to suggest, with a serious, straight face, that Ghandi was a Klan member. When nonsense of that ilk becomes centerpieces of her arguments, one tends not to listen to the rest of the information provided--the whole lot is put in the "Horseshit, Complete and Total Horseshit" category.

My strong advice: Ignore her. That would probably upset her more than a thousand hurt voices rallying for the Countdown host. Ignoring her would make it plain how unimportant she really is in the larger scheme of things.

Unfortunately, some pestilences of the human race, like gonorrhea and cancer, are too damaging to be ignored. Of course, if we can't ignore her, whatinhell can we do?

She still has her minions trolling for supporters here at DU.

Also, she is currently fighting to discredit the Holt bill and relies on ignorance of her real agenda to gain supporters (and $$$).

I feel we have a responsibility to keep folks aware of her perfidy.

that are on some kind of payroll!!

I could be wrong, but watching carefully since Andy Stephenson's death..i have watched stuff that makes my skin crawl!!

And there seems to be an agenda.At the Time of and shortly After Andy's death, Bev Harris had zero credibility..she has worked hard and with the help of some here at DU she has worked to regain and retore her credibility.

I held Andy in his last weeks..I cared for him when he found out the kind of Cancer he had, and i held him with tears to my heart..and tears from his heart...Andy told me stuff ..about Bev that very few people know..and i will add to that, dying men do not lie!!

And i will tell you.."THAT WOMAN" deserves no credibility!

And anyone who tells me she is not working for the republican rove machine..and her own greed...I say..bullshit!!..I have held closely to my chest things Andy told me about Bev, that i have not gone public with..I have and only will talk to Congress people about...but anyone who at this junction that believes one damn word of what Bev Harris says or does.. is a damn fool!!

That is all i will say about it..

Except..Andy Stephenson gave a damn about our voting..he gave a damn till his last breaths..and I say that as the next to last person who talked to him before he passed...

So you can believe me or not..I really don't care...because I know Andy was a man with the utmost Integrity, and Heart , and Soul...And Andy was not concerned that Bev screwed himself..he was concerned most about votes being stolen..right to the very end!

I remember saying to him...stop worrying about Bev..worry about yourself..think about yourself and your own health.

He could not do that.

Because he was worried about what Bev Harris was doing with regards to the voting system and the activists that were doing legitimate work, that were being tricked by Bev.

AS he knew he had been tricked by Bev.

FLY

shit disturber or an out-and-out flake. Or both.

One of the hallmarks of the republican party has come to be a flagrantly obvious ability to ignore the facts and, somehow, regurgitate some sort of emotional appeal, using bogus, imminently disprovable rhetoric. She seems to have captured the technique.

I have followed the many "Bev Harris" threads with some amusement and a huge amount of dismay. Again and again I keep fetching up against a plaintive note in my mind of, "Can't she see how much damage she's doing, or does she just not give a damn?"

can do no wrong. I'm sure she is often surprised when other people fail to agree with her on this point.

She's addicted to both.

and I'm surprised and disappointed that even some very smart people don't understand that she's a strip miner in activist drag.

and...some other bad things...with my other opinion that she's also mentally ill and...let's just say not all that smart...so I think there's also the chance that's she's simply been duped into promoting the neo-con agenda. If it's true that she's "just" been suckered into helping them, however, it doesn't make what she's doing any less harmful.

I doubt she's been duped, but I do doubt her motives.

:rofl:

Here ya go >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1960084&mesg_id=1981160

As she says above, election reform is a "gold mine issue meaning: It raises funds." That's all you need to know about Bev.

And as to whether she gives a damn about the damage she's done, that depends on what she's trying to accomplish, doesn't it? Her goal might not be election reform at all. It might just be kicking up sand. Depends on who she's really working for.

considers election reform a "gold mine" issue? I don't claim to be the most politically plugged in person, but it seems to me most Dems are giving this issue *much* less attention than it needs.

that the statement was made by a Dem, or made at all for that matter.

The number of lies she has been caught in are legion.

the GRIFTER. The very person who CLEANED out the DU with PROPAGANDA. Yeah, she sure doesn KNOW what it IS. She pushed every button she could find before she finally got her ass kicked OFF THIS PLACE.

Nearly every SANE Board has kicked her off, but I have seen that she's sliming her way into some form of "respectability" somehow. She's even got Mark Crispin Miller sending her garbage around. I used to give him heads up on Her and some others who don't have a pot to piss in, but he, and others, seem to be looking past her sordid and psycho past. I don't get it.

Even Bradblog sends out her garbage, so I don't listen to them anymore, nothing personal, but if someone sends me a bag of shit, I'm not going to be accepting any more "mail" from them.

Once again, she couldn't be doing much more damage than if she was a Right Winger, under direct control of KKKarl Rove, and to be honest, I'd be willing to believe that she sold out to him a LONG Time ago.

RUN if she approaches you and SCREAM at those in her reach, tell them to RUN if they get near her.

And don't forget to check your wallet. I'm dead serious.

SCAMMER. Remember, this is the woman that FIRED Andy right after his sister had died, when he was returning, and then BLAMED a bunch of shit on HIM. THen she didn't PAY HIM, lots of weasal words in that scene by her, and there she was after BILKING Randi Roades, ON HER SHOW where Randi asked her WHY she had FIRED ANDY, and she said she didn't know ANYTHING about it. (IT was all over her website, HERS)

When Randi asked her WHY she wasn't in OHIO going after the bastards, when everyone ELSE WAS, she said something along the lines of "No one told me" or "No One invited me" or some such bullshit.

Don't forget how she was invited on Keith's SHOW, and instead of being happy to get the movement OUT THERE, she played games, like she wasn't getting any calls from him or producers, etc, when all they kept saying was that they'd CALLED HER over and over. She was ripping into this guy for NO DAMN REASON, and in the end he Publicly DE-Invited her, in his classy way pretty much calling her a NUTBALL, Impossible to deal with. That she had screamed at and Insulted his People, and he wouldn't have it.

TRAINWRECK disguised as "Golly Gee" some kind of Grandma, just trying to help ya'll out.. while sucking up MONEY from Freepers and anyone else who might listen.

Piece of shit who claimed SHE wrote a book about Electronic Voting that was WRITTEN by everyone BUT her, most of it RIGHT HERE on the DU.

I really wish she'd take that pile of GRIFTER MONEY and get some Professional Psychiatric HELP. Or move to a deserted Island and leave everyone the HELL ALONE.

Thank Kelvin for the public SERVICE. Links to her Madness on the DU, anyone?

From Andy's keyboard to DU's ears.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=192238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=192757

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=193769

And here's one from KelvinMace.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

Like a salve for a HERPLETIC, Aging, Has been Rock Star who sucked in the first place :)

Thanks for those, pass them around folks, let ANDY tell HIS Story. That Guy I would follow into the gates of Hell, have his back the whole way, luckily he ended up at the gates of Heaven instead for his decency and HONESTY, Forthrightness.

And, in he other side of the ring, there's the damn woman who wouldn't be fit to be a Walmart greeter.

Just going back to that really bad time gets my blood pressure up.

RIP Andy

I told you that Ju-ju was powerful stuff. ;)

Gonna have to carve off a piece and hang onto it.. got more than I bargained for at the hospital.

and THANKS for loading me up with it! :)

You so funny, make me laughy LONG TIME :)

irresponsibility as an employer. So, when he found out he was sick, he was up a creek because of HER.

Anyone who supports that sociopath needs help themselves because her record is consistent and clearly abusive.

She didn't pay taxes on him so he couldn't make a Medicaid claim for the longest time.

early on, I wonder why he's missing Bev's?

and he expressed his reservations to me about her, but he seems to wind up at a lot of her venues so, I don't know.

and he will get it. Every movement has its parasites.

any venue where he can get his own words out is worth the compromise. If so I won't worry about him, he has a public reputation that stands alone, perhaps he doesn't think their association would hurt him even if her actions do become better known.

I don't think that's true for people who don't have their own well-established public credibility.

saw, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.." I made a film on Electronic Voting, and when I saw fraud like Harris I would point it out, the ANSWER from so many Passionate people?

"Just because she's made a 'few mistakes' doesn't mean that all of her 'research' should be invalid. Do you want to solve this problem or not?"

Throw the baby out? I'd FLUSH this baby, and make room for a few more.. that's what you DO with VERMIN :)

which was other people's work here on DU that she took credit for. Then, when those people questioned what was being done with their work, Bev smeared them as Diebold shills.

and one which we must pose to Brad next time he posts.

Kster has refused to answer the question directly, but his responses make clear he has no problem with Bev's views. I think that pretty much wraps up his credibility on this board.

Here is an old article:


Last week Olbermann criticized Harris for not publicly releasing film footage said to reveal questionable vote-tabulating practices in Volusia County, Florida. The footage, which was filmed by a documentary crew that has been following Harris for a year, is said to show paper voting records from a bag of garbage that Harris obtained after scuffling with Volusia County election officials outside their offices. Harris has implied on her website and in other public statements that the records indicate actions that "are consistent with fraud."

Olbermann originally wrote that Harris should release the footage to back her claims and said that when his staff spoke with her after his initial blog entry about it, she was "belligerent, threatening and demanding" with them. Some members of Democratic Underground have speculated that Harris wants to hold onto the footage so the filmmakers can release it in their documentary and make a bigger publicity splash.

But Harris said she did not receive calls from the television program asking for the footage and is not able to release it to the TV station because it is being used in a lawsuit against the county. She also said the charge that she threatened Olbermann's staff is untrue.

But some members of Democratic Underground have noted that Olbermann's description of Harris' behavior is consistent with their experiences with her. And others have questioned whether she is the best public representative for the voting activist movement.

"No one denies she's done great work," wrote one forum member who goes by the name AmyCrat. "It's her PR skills that are potentially hurting the whole effort (and her own efforts). Good intentions aren't an excuse for unprofessional behavior."

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/12/65928

most damaging, as relates to getting the real election fraud in front of a larger public and more astute political entrail readers.
Because of the duplicity she displayed, KO was soured on any notion of further examination for far too long and a badly needed chance was missed.

Although he has now made the connection and is at least partially aware of the depth of corruption in an essential tool of democracy, he needs a really good story to kick off a larger discussion.
Nobody promised it was going to be easy, I suppose.

for called BS on her ass.

I haven't listened to it in a while. Very telling. Randi nailed her.

Probably already has. Links anyone?

I wanna be there.

Posted in Never Never Land on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:51 am:

She attacks DU, and defends her fellow Bevidians -




Then she gets mad because people are calling her on her big time soliciting of funds:





Go there at your own risk, she tracks visitors:

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-profile.cgi?action=rate&topic=2197&page=19693&post=19364

It NEVER would have occurred to me. That's really bad.

:yawn:

It's almost endlessly amazing to me that people like her
tend to ATTRACT FOLLOWERS.

She and her minions really are a cult. There's just no
other explanation for it. Anyone who is still supporting
such an obviously unstable con-artist at this point is in
serious need of some heavy deprogramming.

a survival measure for them because they're basically parasites. Charming, engaging, seemingly trustworthy and admirable. Until they're not. :shrug:

You have to step out of their sphere of influence before you start seeing the machinations that they use to drag you in. It's hard to do because most people want to trust, to like, to think the best of others. And that's where the hooks go in -- right into the goodwill most people are wanting to extend.

:shrug:

to tell you, she gave me the creeps when she walked into that room, before she even opened her mouth. Just bad vibes...then she opened her mouth....!

recovering from his surgery. She cut off my first sentence and started screaming at me.

How anyone can support this grifter is beyond me.

by alienating Randi Rhodes, with a huge national audience, and Keith Olbermann, "the only mainstream news organization" working to cover the story.

From KO:

How anyone can see this person as an Election Reform activist instead of a resource sucking liability -- well, that's just baffling.

I believe that was part of what motivated Keith to be detailed about the situation... Bev was saying Andy didn't; relay the messages and Keith made it clear they called HER directly. But it was supposed to be a reason she fired Andy... What a liar.

not Andy's.

Yes, she is a liar.

he also told me the SAME HAPPENED WITH RANDI RHODES..and he tried to call Randi to try to find out what was going on, but at that point she wouldn't even take his calls!

QUESTION EVERYTHING..AND VERIFY..

do not take Bev's word..and do not take those speaking out on her behalf without verifying!!

Too many of us know what really happened..and what Bev really did or did not do

and some here, even at DU are trying to re-invent facts, or re-establish Bev's credibility.

pathetic, but true.

fly

did you ever follow up on Bev's fake IRS stuff?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kelvin%20Mace/2

It documents her crimes and then some. Now Bev's apologists will come at and claim it is "all lies", but we have been very careful to document her words, mostly with her own posts.

She was banned from DU twice, for a reason.

She gave me the creeps. It was verboten to attack her because after all, how can anyone who supports fighting voter fraud be a bad person? The cause itself is beyond criticism, but that never meant the people hiding beyond its aura of critical resistance were entitled to the same.

Of course, I have never been shy about 'verboten' opinions and behavior on DU. :evilgrin:

She said she was going to sue DU!

:grr: She probably stole all that evidence she got to first and destroyed it.

and suggest that people look at them for themselves.

She seems to also offer to sue Kelvin Mace a lot.

She's so busy suing people, it's a wonder she can keep up with the fund raising that never has related costs listed on the 990 forms. Maybe if she'd take a break from suit threats, she'd have time to hire a CPA.

at least. Never happened.

I imagine it gives you no pleasure to revisit and I'm grateful you do it despite that.

it is painful to revisit her treachery.

I post because I have an obligation to protect other's who are unaware of her actions and are targets of her supporters for money/support/legitimacy.

Also, she is hurting the voting reform movement.

I respect you more than I can say.

Thanks for your work, KM.

Is anyone working on getting another spokesperson (I'd nominate you!).

part of the "payoff" of her maniacal behavior. She has done her work well.

look at the dots..and try to connect them ..

look at the US attorney fired in her back yard!!

there are dots to connect!!

be assured of that!!

fly

She's maniacal indeed. I have a close relative who exhibits much the same behavior on a mucch smaller scale. No amount of reason works.

Keep up the good work; I'm educating myself and ignoring her minions as much as possible.

But these days I am leery of being a "spokesman".

through my crystal ball ... because then you would get something very handy .... DISCOVERY. You would be able to request far too much ... embarassingly much ... probably.

Of course, that's only my humble two cents' worth (I'm not a practicing attorney who gives legal advice, of course, merely a real estate investor).

and, though I am not an attorney, I read quite a bit and have friends who are.

Her own attorney knows that she can't sue since she is far from clean. It has probably dawned on him by now that her allegations that I, and others, are in the pay of Diebold/The Democrats/Great Cthulhu are the complete ravings of a deluded mind.

We have a far better case for libel than she does, plus one official audit of her books and she's done.

And, with discovery rights in the event of a lawsuit, an opponent of hers would be able to obtain copies of her records, etc. A opponent (of Bev's) would also be able to get a court-ordered audit.

She's bluffing.

On edit:
Lawsuits are frequently a game relating to who has the most skeletons in their closets, and I'm bettin' she has plenty in hers!

We have serious work to do. We have elections to secure, race crimes to redress.

But people go to her like moths to flame -- as if they've never seen a cremated moth.

It's just creepy.

She's pissed off the media. She's attacked activists. She's ripped off people who gave to the cause in good faith.

What do people need to wake the hell up?

That grifter is good at manipulating the media, at getting attention. But, my god, so are many people with a helluva a lot more integrity than she could ever imagine, let alone muster. Why anyone who is serious about election reform feels compelled to kiss her ass is just beyond me. I could get as much press as she does for our projects because it ain't rocket science. It's just weird the way she cons people into believing that hers is the only viable network. It's not true and it will blow up all over all of them.

Her strongest defenders are found in the Election/Election Reform forums.

And, that's a shame.

I don't understand why in the hell people keep coming to DU and posting propaganda about Bev when too many people here know her long, ugly story. Are they honestly going to be surprised to see this thread listing part of her past offences? :shrug:

and post crap like this, then don't even get your name right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=474222&mesg_id=474222

Susan Truitt calling her out when we lost Andy?

Who do we believe, Susan or that grifter?

I really don't get it. Maybe she seems to offer a shortcut to the media but that is an illusion. And like many people with her problems, she will vastly disappoint the people who try to keep believing in her.

And that's a shame, a waste of effort, and a hindrance to the real work we need to do. :(

and ALL federal election reform legislation, calling it "meddling".

Faxed to 2,299 Elections Boards:



She includes information on how BOEs can register opposition to legislation with congress.

Legislation would put her out of action, would it not?

:puke:

The thing to ask about any federal legislation is whether it is a floor or a ceiling. If it sets minimum standards that are less than we want, we can live with that, since we remain free to work for higher standards at the state level. If it sets low standards that are a ceiling, preventing work at the state level, that is bad. There is legitimate disagreement in the election integrity community on this, which should not be conflated with whatever Bev's opinion happens to be at the moment.

In other words, if federal legislation puts a stop to Blackwell's shenanigans, that's fine. If it prevents Brunner from implementing stronger integrity measures, that's bad.

who are looking to repeal the law we just passed in 2004.

Her help we don't need.

They don't know the history and would rather discuss issues than personalities. I think the best way to deal with that is to just advise them to never give money to someone that is too irresponsible to pay their employees' insurance, workmans' comp, etc. A couple of very simple and easy to document facts.

If at that point they want to know more, then point them to the extensive documentation demonstrating that she can't really be trusted. And remember that there is no central committee working on election integrity, just a lot of interconnected networks. You can't stop anyone from setting themselves up as a node--all you can do is direct financial and other resources away from that node.

But, I think you're mostly right.

running around. I didn't get into all the history of her and Andy, but this shit here is the final nail in her coffin. Borrowing a line from Stephen, "She is dead to me." So you dead stinking mofo Harris begone!

that she has ZERO credibility here, she is obsessed about what we say here and goes out of her way to get her opinion made known on this board. Every time she does, she incriminates herself further.

Let's just say not everyone here has good sense.

division of civil rights, and thinks it is groovy that the political appointees overroad the career lawyers regarding approval of the redistricting efforts in Texas? Given that these are the factors that went into Olberman critique - what else can we surmise her rant to mean?

Wow - Bev's rant suggests she's okay with the DOR voter disenfranchisement efforts... isn't that ironic.

this is why I thought people needed to know here position, in her own words.

There can be NO doubt now that she is anti-progressive, pro-neocon.

nope not a bit ironic!!

fly

Now I feel like asking for a refund....

of people.

But, I'd ask for the refund. She has given money back to some folks when they commented on the fact that her 990 filings are unacceptable.

like this:

She attacks those who report and oppose it. Calling reporting of it:

spin
propaganda-laden
propaganda tactics
pushing the Democrat (sic) platform
blatantly racist
myopic white liberal
ploy
exploitive
insulting to the black community
steer the issues
Democratic Platform agendas
propaganda tactics
mind-manipulation methodologies

She says "I spent so many years writing publicity talking points."

-NO FUCKING SHIT, BEV! And ya haven't stopped yet.-

kissing their asses and begging for money. I am SO glad I followed my gut on that woman. She's one person I NEVER gave my money to, though I did get engrossed in her threads/work with Andy. I did give to Andy's campaign. Him, I adored!:loveya: Her, I didn't trust as far as I could throw her, for some reason. There-was-something-about-Bev....

and their ilk.

Again, I say she is hoping to get money from the neo-cons.

from one of her posts on freerepublic currying favor with the freeps:

"Jim March, the Republican gun lobbyist who is one of the most active members of our board of directors"

From Jim March himself:

"That's right, guys, I'm a *Republican*. And a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus, which is the "Libertarian infiltrators registered GOP wing"

since so many dems don't want a thing to do with her loud mouthed irrational lunacy anymore.

Take every word she says with a grain of salt. She's out of her mind; that one.

A sociopathic, manipulative con. "Try and manipulate Republicans"? Maybe, partly, or maybe she's always been one. "Irrational lunacy" is again to underestimate her sociopathic ability to con many.

Vote suppression is disguised as concernt for election integrity, and is a strictly Republican operation these days, though Democrats used to do it back when we were the Wite Men's Party in the South. And let's get real here--individual voters may vote fraudulently occasionally, but this is background noise. Surviving spouses are going to keep sending in their dead mates' ballots (and is a marriage of more than 30 years where they can't fake each other's signatures really a marriage? :) ) They only get to do it once, though, before the registry catches up with the situation. Thinking that it's possible to eliminate 100% of this is to be living on a fantasy planet where Land's End sends out their catalogs return receipt requested and never gets any of them back.

The integrity of ballot tabulation is different, and Repubs and Dems are equal opportunity offenders here, with the sad irony that the Dem offenses mostly hurt other Democrats. There are some Repubs who actually get this issue and are not into the meme "It isn't cheating when we do it," though.

She behaves as if she has some kind of narcissistic personality disorder -- which would be disruptive, too, if you think about it.

but I always opt for simpler answers. Subtlety was never Bev's strong suit. :)

OH OH the truth will always get you in the end!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=474222&mesg_id=474222

Mr.Heller

Long time no see, Ms. Dudley!

that there thing is not a real, bonafide sockpuppet.

What you have there is a genuine, true, dedicated, card-carrying Branch Bevidian. Here's the proof:

The tone's very familiar. I stand by my post. :hi:

there sure have been a brazillion of those sockpuppets. But this one has an official I.D. card.

No matter how many times you're flushed, you just keep bobbing back up to the surface.

DIAF.

The image of "Mr. Heller" up there looks like a professional job done by Getty Images. Or Glamour Shots.

That's just kster's version of romantic patriotic atmosphere. He picked it up off the 'net. It's from here:

TheRealMartha.com
Real easy recipes for real busy, real* people and more ... including military/war, critters, crafts, hints/tips, greetings and editorial of all description ... home-grown and imported http://www.therealmartha.com

The photo is on the site here: http://www.therealmartha.com/Watchmy6/salute. JPG (to see it you must remove the space I entered before JPG).

Of course, since I never really knew about Mr. Heller's "case" and came into it from links you and others provided (thanks for those) finding out that one of the major proponents of this "Mr. Heller" (and Bev "Grifter-Supreme" Harris) is intentionally and constantly mis-representing the person they're posting about by posting a glamorized picture representing that person (without noting that the person in the picture is not this "Mr. Heller", it kind of makes one not trust them or the "facts" they present.

Thanks again. :hi:

!!! :hi:

A = Bev's slam on Olberman's commentary per the actions of voter supression in the DOJ as histrionic, conspiratorial and racist;

and

B = The Steve Heller saga

?

Oh, nothing - that is called a non-sequitor. An attempt to hijack one conversation with another one that is at best ancillarily related to the first conversation. Looks like it didn't work. Oh Well...

why? And if you don't, why haven't you attempted to talk Bev out of those positions?

And we'll see if he has the courage to answer. In fact, we will ask EVERY Bev supporter their stand on Bev's statement.

But here's a question:

Do you agree with Bev's statement above.

Simple question, yes or no answer, please.

on this and the other thread, we can only conclude that you agree with the neo-con view espoused by Bev about voting.

Apparently there is nothing so heinous that Bev can do which will cause you to stop supporting her, apparently, up to and including, embracing conservative ideology.

"He tucked a blatantly racist comment in there that only a myopic white liberal
could love. Something about a threat to clamp down on voter fraud being an
intimidation tactic for African American voters. What bullshit. And this
implies exactly WHAT about Black Americans??? An obvious ploy to get white
liberals heatedly Democratic, but exploitive and insulting to the black
community, what else is new."

Um...trying to frame the Democratic Party as the one that obsessively courts white voters while saying that a reporter calling out Republican attempts to continue vote suppression among black voters is "insulting to the black community" is pathetic, even for Rove. BEV: WAKE UP. THEY ARE USING YOU. Even if you are getting paid, it's not worth it.

because she sees it as the only way to curry favor with conservative groups, now that her support has dried up among liberals.

"...reform as a 'gold mine issue' meaning: It raises funds."

&%*#^!($(&*)(*!!!

Were this the case - every campaign fundraising letter, every local, state and national fundraising letter would have the issue front an center as a 'hook' to get us to give $. Funny thing, that. Many other issues serve as that function - but not election integrity.

Aside from Bev (and her claim here) - ever hear of election integrity activists claim that enough time (by policy makers/elected officials) is devoted to the issue and/or the issue raises plenty of money to fund activist activities (implied in the "gold mine" analogy)??

Yea, whatever, Ms. Harris.

Aside from Bev's $90,000 salary, she and Jim March (paid Board Member of BBV), Bev's Qui Tam partner, discussed tax strategies to split a potential "$5mil as a ballpark round number".

In announcing the unsealing of the Qui Tam, some of his comments:




Imagine the disappointment when they each only cleared $76k. Though Bev claims to have donated it to the BBV org, the 990 tax filing indicates otherwise, as shown by not filing a schedule B.

Well, she has this at the top and center of her front page (actually has it twice on the page):

"Members of the Democratic Party have explicitly told me they view election
reform as a "gold mine issue" meaning: It raises funds."

Yeah, Bev, I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about that. How's that Florida recount going?

You know, I was planning to attend Democracyfest in NH until I saw she was on the bill and figured they didn't know what they were doing.

Has anyone gone over her much-delayed finanicial reports? I'd really like to know where the million bucks went.

evidence of a relationship to truth or reality are her stock in trade.

This un-cited "members of the democratic party" could be a lie, false flaggers, trolls, Joe Lieberman, agents, nut cases, on and on.
With no attribution and her penchant for and history of a rather low regard for the truth, any statement-ala George Bush-she makes is worth no more than the electrons it's printed on.

The problem shows up through being heard by those of less discernment or an agenda that her un-attributed statements will serve as charcoal lighter for. Thoughtful, dispassionate analysis of the problem matters little in the face of an emotion-laden, passionate though fact free hack job. Free speech is a bitch.

with her claim that George Bush is a fan of her work and at least ordered her book.

She'll say anything if she thinks it will provide the two things she needs most: Money and attention.

Pay very careful attention to the folks who continue to champion her views from this day forward.

people who knew her a lot better than I did. Then, I saw for myself everything that those others had warned about. I ate a LOT of crow. After keeping the judgement money she won and after what she did to Andy, the woman will rot in whatever Hell she has created for herself.

Some people still continue to support that woman, in the wake of overwhelming evidence that she used an issue as serious as election fraud to personally enrich herself.

The shit is seeping out from every angle, isn't it?

At this point, we know FACTUALLY that these rat bastards have imbedded themselves throughout every part of our government. To believe that they haven't done the same re: Election Reform is foolish, imo.



Where have we heard "can't muddy the message" recently. Google is your friend.

Think about it. Who the f*ck is "they"???

Nevermind. We know the answer to that question, don't we?

I see all of the "cheerleaders" are hiding out today. It's amazing what a little spoon of truth will do!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x474428

Look for familiar names and tactics...

It's what these imposters do best.

Some observations and questions.

* I got into election fraud issues before 2004. We all know the electronic voting machines were going to be a disaster, and th 2004 election was our first real experience with it. For those of us that were reading the articles in the early days, Bev Harris just seemed to bubble out of nowhere.

* I never got to send any money to any anti-election fraud campaign because I was a student at the time. Has anyone considered how much damage percentage-wise her absobtion of funds caused the movement?

* I remember Bev Harris very clearly from that time as the activist who cried wolf concerning those video tapes. After Randi discredited her, I paid no attention to her. I thought no one else was, either.

* Now that I read how Andy Stephenson's death is connected to Bev, I am completely disgusted. Even though I was a SmirkingChimpster at the time, even on other boards we were aware of Stephenson's illness. I got to DU about the time of Andy' death but stayed out of those threads out of respect (respectful newbies should not participate in emotional community threads). As far as I'm concerned, if what is said on this thread about Bev is true, she is guilty of involuntary manslaughter by neglect and abuse. Cancer is not something you can fight when you are stressed out.

* I can honestly say I have never met a DUer who promotes anything Bev does/says in the last year.....seriously. And I guess I am glad after all that has transpired.

* Has anyone thought of the possibility that BH intended to scuttle the voting rights movement by injecting all of this drama and false evidence at the crucial time when the movement could get off the ground or fizzle into nothing? Perhaps she is now playing for the team she has always played for (the Freeps)? It is not a tremendous surprise after COINTELPRO for the other side to recruit a sociopath like this as an agent provocateur? Certainly the pattern of lies, abuse, and neglect are similar to the MO of the neocon. Just a possibility.....the language in the OP seems to come a little easy to her and I like to see things through tinfoil glasses to cover all possibilities. That would make her far more virulent than a "grifter".

A great many of us have been 100% convinced, and have said exactly that for a very long time.

And yes, she sucked up not only funding, but she sidetracked energy and attention of well meaning supporters that could otherwise have been utilized by legitimate organizations and activists.

She has done so much to cause the movement to be perceived as made up of loons and crackpots.

She alienated media from covering the issue: major bloggers, radio, TV and press.

She has slimed and smeared and attacked other dedicated activists, organizations, experts and scientists.

She has alienated BOE officials who were willing to listen until they got their fill of her antics and abuse.

Geez, that's just some of it.

I agree, 'grifter' is to Bev Harris as is a golf ball to the planet Jupiter.

I'd say you're right on the money. :hi:

I can honestly belieive that now.

sad to say.

She's mentally ill and she loves the attention and money this issue has generated for her. I really wish she was working for Rove, it would be easier to suffer her smears.

But the simplest answer is the what I have found the evidence supports, plus my own personal experiences.

I suppose I am tired of every single attempt against this criminal regime being thwarted by lucky breaks and miraculous coincidences.

The part about BH cutting her polticial teeth selling "Clinton cigars" reeks of the possibility of making these kinds of nefarious contacts long before she met any involved in voter issues.

But you are right; if you know her better then your opinion of course takes precedence. Mine is only supposition by a lot of circumstantial evidence laying around.

to defend her. They must now address this statement and embrace it or reject it. The statement is so vile that it is impossible to make the usual "well I disagree with this particular issue..." kind of apology. This is a CORE neo-con principle being advocated.

"Maybe it's because I spent so many years writing publicity
talking points"

Now, when is she going to tell us something that we didn't already know about her? :rofl:


Get over yourself Bev. You're like last weeks fish and this weeks company ... both begin to stink after three days.

man, its been a long time. I feel like I just wandered into my high school reunion.

Does anyone here really care what she has to say?

discrediting news items (that don't originate with Olberman - but get the the heart of what TalkingPointsMemo has been uncovering and has been since filtering into the mainstream media - does it again become a concern. Her posts are still carried by many (and viewed with uncritical lenses in our own election reform forum - by a number of posters - so the fact that she is discrediting some very credible and serious work - is noteworthy.

we must be on our guard and we must be sure that newbies are aware of her treachery.

One sarcastic-The Democratic party views election reform as a goldmine? REALLY? Wow. I have heard nary a peep from the Hill or Obama or even Edwards. I think they view it as lip service that they do nothing about. Because if they freaking did how could THEY sleep knowing Bush was never elected? Anyhoo..and now she has another name..is that to obscure the funk of the Bev Harris name?

Oh and dissing Olbermann-her bete noir-how perfect-the one journalist on regular cable that actually reports something BEYOND propaganda. She is the opposite gal of the opposite world.

her down a peg or two, I think it's KO. I also wonder about Thom Hartmann. I really like Thom but he keeps referring to her as his good friend Bev Harris when he refers to her website on election issues. It occurred to me that he might know her in person being he lives and broadcasts from Portland Oregon and I believe she operates from somewhere around there, Seattle, I believe. He seems too sharp to me to be fooled by her for too long. I hope he takes a hard look at his "good friend" before he invests too much confidence in her.

Thom Hartman
c/o KPOJ Radio
4949 SW Macadam Ave.
Portland, OR 97239

His website states that he gets too many emails to be able to respond to them.

June 19, 2007

Thom Hartman
c/o KPOJ Radio
4949 SW Macadam Ave.
Portland, OR 97239

Subject: Election Integrity

You have often had Bev Harris on your show, and refer to her as a “good friend”. If you get a chance, you have to ask her why she has come out against Keith Olbermann and his analysis of the GOP use of “voter fraud” to suppress the minority vote.

This is the Olbermann commentary on Gonzalez: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050807A.shtml

This is her response to that commentary—



This sounds like your typical regurgitation of the Rove meme that “voter fraud” is the same thing as election integrity problems with unauditable voting machines. These are two separate and distinct issues, with Republicans being the current party of voter suppression, and both parties being equal opportunity offenders in surrendering our election process to private corporations. The real irony is that Democrats who go along with this program have mostly wound up victimizing other Democrats. The “Democrat” Party thinks this issue is a fundraiser? I wish. As a local Dem activist I can attest that it’s damned hard to get party higher-ups to pay serious attention to it.

I hope you’ll take the opportunity to confront her about this sometime.

we should make him aware of here latest views?

Voter ID and efforts to clamp down on so-called "voter fraud" have absolutely zilch to do with African American voting patterns or partisan politics... It is party operatives who think they do.

Anyone who frames the issue in those terms is a traitor to the constitution.

NO AMERICAN should be forced to carry ID into a polling place, or walking down the street, or when exercising any of his or her other BASIC, COMMON LAW RIGHTS as a free person. PERIOD.

Any attempt to turn it into a disparate impact issue implicitly rejects the argument that I, LEOPOLD'S GHOST, and YOU, READER, have the right to conduct our affairs without "identity papers". All too many so-called "Democrats" support "identity papers".

The fact that they view (nonexistent) "voter fraud" as a Republican vs. Democrat, "tamp down on the black vote" issuer suggests something that IS racist, namely the notion that only black people go around without ID.

*I* go around without ID, and I'm not black, and this is an issue that affects ME, directly.

It is Republican operatives (with their "voter fraud" racist code-speak) and Democratic lawyers (with their "voter ID would be OK if we could only force blacks and latinos to carry papers, but we can't, so it's a disparate impact issue") that are trying to frame it as a race/party issue.

The implicit understanding is that as a white male, I am a full class citizen who is already expected to carry around photo ID everywhere I go. The only difference being I won't be arrested if I'm stopped on the street -- merely chided by the cops for not getting a drivers licence and conforming to the expectations they have of me as a full class citizen of Bracero America.

The RESULT is to force EVERYONE to carry photo ID.

African Americans and lower-income groups already drive more than the population at large, hence, have drivers license. Why? Because "this is America" -- where folks without a drivers license can be stopped and questioned on the street. Assumed to be criminals, never mind voters.

Most of today's lower income people are forced to live in the suburbs thanks to gentrification and disinvestment perpetrated by white urbanites with the full support of the Clinton wing of the party.

(which believes that poor people should have the "right" to live a closely-guarded, regimented life in the suburbs, even if they have to be forced to get a drivers license as part of some Bracero program, even if they have to be forced out of the inner city by disaster or reclamation, as the Washington Post advocates doing.)

How is it that you say minorities and lower income drive more?

What about lower income who cannot afford vehicles, insurance and upkeep?

Ever heard of living on the busline?

Theres a reason for that - its called not being able to afford a vehicle.

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but seriously in the real world ownership and upkeep of
a vehicle is out of reach for many.

That is why LWV, Brennan Ctr, Project Vote oppose photo ID.

It is often the poor who don't have it.

doesn't seem true to me here in the city where I live. Could you say a bit more?

Apparently Bev thinks that minorities should just handle concerns about disenfranchisement within "their own groups", and that minority people who are intimidated or discouraged by deliberate disenfranchisement are "weak-willed".




So I guess those of us that are not of a racial or ethnic minority should butt out, forget about it, walk away, and quit talking about it!

:eyes:

we hear from conservatives all the time.

Minorities don't need special protection from oppression, they just need to overcome discrimination by force of will. If they can't, they're weak and don't deserve equal rights.

Poor non-drivers, homeless people and many elderly don't have licenses.

--but only a carnival kewpie doll prize that you don't deserve unless you jump over all the barriers that people who don't want you to vote put in front of you.

and demand that voting be a SIMPLE and TRANSPARENT process, you are weak.

Why does she speak?

writing about. I hope he takes notice.

of backing her even now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=474673&mesg_id=474713

As long as Bev can lay claim to having discussed the unsavory aspects of voting machines, no crime may be held against her.

1) Tax fraud is OK.

2) Cheating an employee out of medical insurance is OK, (even when he later dies horribly in dire need of that insurance).

All I get is "Where is your bossman"? It's childish, not to mention RIDICULOUS. Apparently, some don't know how to use their own critical thinking skills and must rely on direction from others. How PATHETIC is that? Perhaps it's difficult to wrap their minds around the reality that we are not all bought and paid for.

Whatever the case, I'm glad they have shown themselves for what they are. It was just a matter of time for the desperation to come seeping through.

I would still like to know how that US Attorney scandal is shaping up in Washington State. Wonder how long it will take for them to connect the dots...if they haven't already.

There's 1) and 2), but also

3) Illegally soliciting funds for two years in WA state (one can research the prison terms and fines for such crimes, and even call the WA SoS) is OK

4) Not depositing federal payroll taxes withheld from employee's paychecks until a year later (one can research and calculate the fines and penalties that Bev called "stiff", paid with donated funds; not to mention employee being UNABLE TO FUCKING FILE FOR A TAX RETURN OF HIS OWN MONEY WITHHELD FROM HIS OWN PAYCHECK) is OK

5) Falsely claiming to have donated to the org that pays your salary to boost ones own/its reputation, luring others to donate is OK.

(Edit: Oops, did I say FRAUD?)

It's all OK.

One more nail in that coffin.

Sonia

After her association with the freepers and statements that "bush had her book overnighted" - why are we even paying attention to this attention whore? She is just up to make a quick buck of the corpse of our democracy

this thread is especially important.

Sad to say, a "newby" just forwarded me a link to Bevalicious website today.

Makes me feel dirty. I need a shower.

I sent them a link to "Bev Harris for Newbies", but you know if they drink the kool-aid,
it takes alot to wake them up.