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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:13 PM
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Garner:Iraq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official
The man who led the initial American effort to reconstruct Iraq after the war believes the country is on the brink of a genocidal civil war and its government will fall apart unless the US changes course and allows a three-way federal structure. He has also urged talks with Iran and other regional players.

Jay Garner, the former US general appointed two months before the invasion to head reconstruction in Iraq, admitted that before the 2003 war coordination between the various US departments and military had been disjointed.


He also disclosed that the US state department official in charge of postwar planning, Thomas Warrick, was prevented from joining his team by Donald Rumsfeld, who was defence secretary. He said he was shocked by the Pentagon's decision to reduce troop levels and disband the Iraqi army.

"The problem from my standpoint within the United States was that there had been a lot of planning done by each element ... by the CIA, the state department, the treasury department, defence department," Mr Garner told the Future of Iraq Commission chaired by Lord Ashdown, Lady Jay and Lord King.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2105307,00.html
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:29 PM
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1. On the verge of...? Easy for you to say you S.O.B. (n/t)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:45 PM
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2. Although not a liberal Dem .... Garner tried to help in 2003
He complained about all the no talent young repug hacks
being sent to help re-build Iraq including Elizabeth Cheney.

He told Wolfowitz that he needed native speakers, engineers,
Islamic people, and civil affairs personal ..... he got
fired and replace by Bremer.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:57 PM
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3. Thanks for the reality check Botany - I am enraged at the situation
and it comes out less than gracefully at times. Was Garner the man who wanted to prioritize holding elections within a few weeks of the occupation against the plans of the Bush administration who needed time to rewrite Iraq's economic policies to turn it into a neo-con paradise? He really did not understand who sent him...

:(
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:07 PM
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7. No problem .... I am out raged @ the bloody mess too.
My good friend's son is a gunner on a Humvee for 6
weeks in Iraq now. I have heard almost all the troops
know that the "war is lost." They can win every battle
but they will lose the war.

Poor Garner he really thought he went there to help in
2003 but got Elizabeth Cheney @ $$$$/year running the
rebuilding of Iraq out of A.E.I. in D.C..
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:57 PM
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4. Just curious... why is Gardner a "s.o.b."?
What little I know of him makes him seem like the only grown up American who has ever had any part, however small it was (due to his being fired for being a grown up), in this whole Iraq occupation thing.

What have I missed?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:07 PM
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6. Botany reminded me that Garner has tried to have a positive impact...
My initial reaction was to the statement that they are "on the verge of genocide" -- when I believe that the genocide is well underway.

Real Shock & Awe: 1,405,000 Iraqis dead, 15 years sanctions & occupation

What will it take to wake up the US? The whole truth, from a historical perspective, that places 'blame' appropriately on the shoulders of many leaders, many groups. You may categorize me as a "blame America firster" because I am critical of the US role in the Persian Gulf War, United Nations Economic Sanctions, and the Iraq War. If so, then so be it. The US played key roles in all of these events and the consequence is shocking:

In 15 Years (1991-2006), the US has caused/contributed to 1,405,000 Iraqi deaths

Persian Gulf War: 150,000
Gulf War Aftermath: Many thousands
UN Sanctions: Primary cause of 600,000 deaths
Iraq War: 655,000

Important: Whether or not you believe that US foreign policy caused all of these deaths - the death toll is a valid, conservative estimate of Iraqi deaths in the past 15 years in excess of what would have been expected if there had been peace. PLEASE TELL PEOPLE THIS NUMBER -- maybe it is big enough to shock the American public awake and cause them to realize the true devastation in Iraq: 1,405,000

The Persian Gulf War did not have to happen: Hussein did not invade Kuwait until after he had received an assurance from April Gillespie that the "US had no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts." Even if he had invaded, alternatives to war were available.

The Gulf War Aftermath Encouraged by American radio broadcasts to rise up against their ‘dictator’, the Kurds of northern Iraq rebelled against a nominally defeated and certainly weakened Saddam Hussein in March of 1991. Fear of being drawn into an Iraqi civil war and possible diplomatic repercussions precluded President Bush from committing US forces to support the Kurds. Within days Iraqi forces recovered and launched a ruthless counteroffensive including napalm and chemical attacks from helicopters. They quickly reclaimed lost territory and crushed the rebellion. By the first week of April, 800 to 1,000 people, mostly the very young and the very old, were dying each day. link Al Franken has said that many 100,000's of Kurds and Shia were slaughtered, but I do not have a printed source.

UN (US/UK Sanctions) The United Nations Security Council has maintained comprehensive economic sanctions on Iraq from August 1990 until March 2003. Sanctions in Iraq hurt large numbers of innocent civilians not only by limiting the availability of food and medicines, but also by disrupting the whole economy, and reducing the national capacity of water treatment, electrical systems and other infrastructure critical for health and life. The oil-for-food program provided an average of $200 per year for each of 23,000,000 Iraqis - well below the international poverty level. In the UN Security Council, countries urged the US and UK to allow the sanctions to be lifted, but the US/UK would not allow this.

Iraq War & Occupation A Johns Hopkins University study published in the British medical journal The Lancet in October, 2004. // The figure of 100,000 had been based on somewhat "conservative assumptions", notes Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, U.S., who led the study. That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the compiled studies point to about 250,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of the U.S.-led war. // Eman Ahmad Khamas.... said: "This occupation has destroyed Iraq. Americans don't know that tens of thousands of Iraqis are in prisons. Americans don't know how many have been killed. Lancet reported 100,000 in 2004, not counting Falluja. Now it is something like double this number."
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:41 PM
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9. Ah, gotcha.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:58 PM
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5. All going swimmingly well, just as the PNAC hoped for all along.
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 08:59 PM by BeHereNow
I believe, "Creative Chaos" was the term they used in
their global domination diatribe?
No?
Mission accomplished!
BHN
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:14 PM
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8. The neocon freaks from hell own it,...AND THEY'RE PROUD OF IT!!!
Hey, Americans,...pull up your freakin' bootstraps 'cause YOU ARE GOING TO WAR,...A WORLD WAR,...

(sponsored and directed by the neocons WHO HATE THE CONSTITUTION AND DEMOCRACY, paid for by YOU, in blood and treasure)
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