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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:40 AM
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AP: Blockbuster to favor Blu-Ray HD Disc (could this be the tilt in the format war?)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BLOCKBUSTER_BLU_RAY?SITE=KYB66&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Blockbuster Inc. will rent high-definition DVDs only in the Blu-ray format in 1,450 stores when it expands its high-def offerings next month, dealing a major blow to the rival HD DVD format.

The move, being announced Monday, could be the first step in resolving a format war that has kept confused consumers from rushing to buy new DVD players until they can determine which format will dominate the market.

Blockbuster has been renting both Blu-ray and HD DVD titles in 250 stores since late last year and found that consumers were choosing Blu-ray titles more than 70 percent of the time.

"The consumers are sending us a message. I can't ignore what I'm seeing," Matthew Smith, senior vice president of merchandising at Blockbuster, told The Associated Press.

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BLOCKBUSTER_BLU_RAY?SITE=KYB66&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:44 AM
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1. That or blockbuster goes bankrupt.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:49 AM
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4. I thought for sure that the tepid following of the PS3
would kill Blu-Ray.

BluRay does have a greater capacity, however, there are some reports of the substrate 'rotting':

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067


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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:58 AM
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12. See, tepid or not, the PS3 will play blu-ray as-is out of the regular box.
I am actually a PS3 user but I have not yet seen a Blu-Ray movie on it. (I've been considering Letters from Iwo Jima as my first test case.) Tepid or not, there's a lot more people with PS3's, which all have Blu-Ray capability, than HD-DVD playing hardware.

I am no expert on this rotting business.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:09 PM
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19. Certainly not a PS3 basher here
I think its a great system. I just figured more people would buy the addon to the 360 than would purchase a PS3. I was apparently wrong.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:11 PM
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20. Add-ons are always a bad bet for this sort of thing.
Sony's made a lot of missteps but that, at least, it had a firm grasp on... and only just now, it seems to have gained some concrete results at the industry level.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:47 AM
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2. how about we as consumers disregard both new technologies?
I can't afford to adopt a new platform every 5 years, particularly since the technology is there to distribute media free media. We should be able to download crap electronically and not forced to be subject to the industry's lack of imagination or simple greed by forcing physical media on us.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:49 AM
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5. yeah, really. i just got all my good stuff from VHS replaced
screw this high def crap.I'm not switching again.
Besides, I really don't think the silent and classic era films I collect are going to show much difference in that format.
I think this mainly affects those who collect modern effects extravaganzas
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:51 AM
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7. I'm with both of you
I'm tired of being forced into buying crap I can't afford or don't want.
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qdemn7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:48 AM
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3. OTOH there's Blu-Rot
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/BluRay-discs-developing-BluRot__.html

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067&page=1&pp=30

Shades of Laser Discs!!!! I'm still not convinced. I'll stick with plain old DVDs for now.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:49 AM
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6. I was posting it just as you were.
pic upthread
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:51 AM
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8. Like beta/vhs, I'll bet for whichever side porn goes with.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:58 AM
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11. There was a story about Sony refusing to license
pornography on the Blu-Ray platform

Sony says “no” to porn on Blu-Ray, the Porn industry gets behind HD-DVD! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9131

They later came out refuting it - so either, it wasn't true, or they backpedaled.

Sony Sez: Porn OK! All Contrary Stories are Bogus! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9422
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:59 AM
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14. Nice CYA.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:24 PM
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21. yup, and that will not be Blu-Ray
Sony refuses to license porn, and it will kill Blu-Ray just like it killed BetaMax... (which really should be considered one of the worst marketing decisions ever, up there with Apple refusing to license the OS for boxes, although that seems to be working out for Apple right now)
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:30 PM
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23. see my reply upthread
apparently they have redacted, backpedaled, or some such.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:59 PM
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27. good point, my info is out of date
I guess I just don't pay enough attention to porn. :)
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:52 AM
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9. I believe it is the tilt.
It's the first big hook landed after a long series of body blows. People tell me HD-DVD is far from finished; this may be so but, it's a tilt in what started out as a 50-50 even match.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:54 AM
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10. Can Someone Explain To Me What The Difference Is?
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 11:55 AM by Beetwasher
So Blue-Ray DVD's won't play on my DVD player if it's not formatted for Blue-Ray? Do I need different DVD players depending on the DVD???

What about regular DVD's (Non HD, non Blue-Ray)? Do I theoretically need 3 DVD players? Or do they make players that play all formats?

:shrug:
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:03 PM
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15. I'll try to help for you and any lurkers here...
- Neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD encoding can be played on regular DVD players.

- However, I was told today by my girlfriend that many HD-DVD's also have regular DVD encoding, meaning you can play the HD-DVD disc on a regular player - but it'll only look as good as a regular DVD that way.

- Regular DVD's will play on all Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players that I know of.

- Therefore, you theoretically "need" 2 DVD players and can dump the old one... but let's be real, most people aren't going to do that. That's why there's a format war.

- There are no players that play all formats to speak of. If you find one it'll be prohibitively expensive.

- Blu-Ray can hold a larger amount of data, but HD-DVD is already overkill for most tasks (at this time) and is cheaper to produce.

- And regardless, you need a TV capable of displaying 720p (progressive) resolution to get the most out of the new DVD formats. I got a 27" LCD to go with my Playstation 3; I had the money for it. The results are phenomenal. But the cost is not exactly light, and far outstrips the cost of a PS3, HD-DVD player, etc, by themselves.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:07 PM
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18. Here is the leading dual-format player:
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:06 PM
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17. There is a player that will play
HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, and original DVD, but it is rather expensive, and I've heard that reliability is poor.

However, in general:

The difference is capacity - the higher the capacity, the more high resolution content that can be stored.

Single Layer DVD - 4.7 GigaBytes (GB)
Dual-Layer DVD - 9.4 GB
Single Layer HD-DVD - 15 GB
Dual-Layer HD-DVD - 30 GB
Single Layer Blu-Ray - 25 GB
Dual-Layer Blu-Ray - 50 GB

Blu-Ray discs will only play on a Blu-Ray player. It will have a Blu-Ray logo on the front. In addition, Blu-Ray discs can be played on the Playstation3.

HD-DVD Discs will only play on a HD-DVD player. It will have a HD-DVD logo on the front. There is an addon for the XBox360 which will allow it to play HD-DVD.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:58 AM
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13. to hell with it
i'll just stop going to blockbuster

id rather just sit in my backyard and watch the grass grow than rent half of these crappy movies anyway
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:04 PM
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16. Has anyone priced one of the Sony Blue Ray Players lately?
Re-frikkin-diculous! No thanks...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:30 PM
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22. Several BB stores closed here.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:31 PM
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24. We have one here, but it is a franchise store...
it often doesn't participate in corporate promotions, etc.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:43 PM
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25. One was a franchise store, not sure about the other.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:46 PM
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26. I have an HD DVD player because it's cheaper than Blu-ray.
I haven't stepped foot inside a Blockbuster since I used to work at one 10 years ago.

I rent standard DVDs from Hollywood Video. But If I want to buy one, I go for the HD DVD. If the movie is only on Blu-ray, I rent it on standard DVD. My HD DVD player does a great job of upscaling my standard DVDs.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:46 PM
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28. Don't care. I've been with Netflix since they started.
:toast:

If the industry goes to another platform I'll save alot of money because I'm not following this time.
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