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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:57 PM
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Taguba: "‘I Thought I Was In The Mafia’"
Say, who and what does this Taguba quote remind you of?

The General’s Report
How Antonio Taguba, who investigated the Abu Ghraib scandal, became one of its casualties

by Seymour M. Hersh

Richard Armitage, a former Navy counter-insurgency officer who served as Deputy Secretary of State in the first Bush term, recalled meeting Taguba, then a lieutenant colonel, in South Korea in the early nineteen-nineties. “I was told to keep an eye on this young guy—‘He’s going to be a general,’ ” Armitage said. “Taguba was discreet and low key—not a sprinter but a marathoner.”

At the time, Taguba was working for Major General Mike Myatt, a marine who was the officer in charge of strategic talks with the South Koreans, on behalf of the American military. “I needed an executive assistant with brains and integrity,” Myatt, who is now retired and living in San Francisco, told me. After interviewing a number of young officers, he chose Taguba. “He was ethical and he knew his stuff,” Myatt said. “We really became close, and I’d trust him with my life. We talked about military strategy and policy, and the moral aspect of war—the importance of not losing the moral high ground.” Myatt followed Taguba’s involvement in the Abu Ghraib inquiry, and said, “I was so proud of him. I told him, ‘Tony, you’ve maintained yourself, and your integrity.’ ”

Taguba got a different message, however, from other officers, among them General John Abizaid, then the head of Central Command. A few weeks after his report became public, Taguba, who was still in Kuwait, was in the back seat of a Mercedes sedan with Abizaid. Abizaid’s driver and his interpreter, who also served as a bodyguard, were in front. Abizaid turned to Taguba and issued a quiet warning: “You and your report will be investigated.”

“I wasn’t angry about what he said but disappointed that he would say that to me,” Taguba said. “I’d been in the Army thirty-two years by then, and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.”


Give up? Compare "I thought I was in the Mafia" with "I Was a Gangster for Capitalism".

War is a Racket
by Smedley Butler

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:01 PM
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1. He was.
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 02:04 PM by Lilith Velkor
He was in the Mayberry Machiavelli Motherfuckin' Mafia.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:03 PM
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2. Mafia? In all honesty our current government makes the mob look like amateurs.
The mob didn't even DREAM of doing the shit our government is doing. They make the mob look like a bunch of posers.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:49 PM
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12. In fairness to the mafia, our present Machiavellis have the best cover.
They're white Christian males. No one would suspect that they're capable of being sleazy fucking bastards.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:07 PM
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3. One little slip of the tongue and you're in deep shit!
A good soldier ain't got a chance in the BushCo Crony Corps.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:44 PM
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9. with apologies to everyone
How are the Mafia and cunnilingus the same?

:spank:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:47 PM
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11. LOL...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:51 PM
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13. (lol!)
I didn't know the Mafia ate at the "Y".

:rofl:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:18 PM
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4. that's very good Bucky
I knew I saw that Butler quote before. Excellent post. K&R!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:24 PM
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5. the scale of the Bush crime family makes the Corleones
look like a Little League bake sale by comparison.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:34 PM
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6. Abizaid....a yes man?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:35 PM
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7. This is EXACTLY what we must expect of an "all volunteer" military.
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 02:37 PM by TahitiNut
It didn't take much experience in (two branches of) the military for me to realize this in the early 70s. Even a moderate review of the Founders' notions of a civilian militia where a federal military would be composed of "citizen-soldiers," where funding for an Army is Constitutionally limited to two years to preclude a permanent professional military, and where war must be declared by the "people's house" makes it very clear that a professional/all-volunteer military is antithetical to a democratic nation.

After all, the Mafia is an "all-volunteer" organization (with "stop-loss"), too. :eyes:

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:38 PM
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8. I do believe I used that characterization, "mafia", some time today.
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 02:41 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
Let's see (be back in a minute),...

....yup, right here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1132365&mesg_id=1132507

It's kind of,...encouraging,...to hear someone like this man use the same characterization of those within the same realm of total corruption, I guess.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:46 PM
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10. Let's hear it for our Christian nation!
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Garrett Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 06:52 PM
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14. I'm with TahitiNut.
This is exactly what I would expect of an all-volunteer standing army. There isn't usually enough to keep them busy...or even teach them the lessons of war. The only way they can get ahead is by boot licking and being a yes-man....even more than when Smedley Butler was in the service. BTW, the "Brown Brothers" he mentioned is connected to dubya's grandpa. That's how much has changed in 100 years.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 05:14 PM
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15. I'm still awaiting RICO indictments against the Republican Party.
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