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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:55 PM
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Afganistan Is A Growing Disaster
by John Aravosis (DC)

When Republicans run the government, and the nation embraces war without dissent, you end up facing multiple wars with limited resources, and ultimately losing everything. We invaded Iraq when we hadn't even finished Afghanistan (not to mention, we still haven't found Osama). The result? We didn't win in Afghanistan or Iraq.

The latest news from yesterday and today in Afghanistan is horrifying. It's Iraq all over again. We've known for a good year or more that Afghanistan was a mess, and slipping backwards. But everyone ignored it while focusing on the growing mess in Iraq. Now we have two messes, and are looking at two eventual defeats. And even worse, the one mess, Iraq, is feeding the other, Afghanistan - the Taliban and their friends are using terrorist techniques, like car bombs and IEDs, honed from lessons learned against our troops in Iraq. We have quite literally trained an entire generation of terrorists in state-of-the-art murder.

War without end, and government without dissent. That's what the Republicans wanted. And look what it got us. Atrios has more.

http://www.americablog.com/2007/06/fghanistan-is-growing-disaster.html
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:34 PM
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1. The idea that
we will probably have to do some major operations in Afghanistan just to get back where we were before Bu$hCo took their eye off the ball and focused on Iraq just makes me sick! What makes it worse is that its contingent on being able to get enough troops and equipment together to do that and right now I am not sure we could.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:46 PM
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2. It's a double dose...
of what happened to the Soviet Union with just Afghanistan. We get out of Iraq and we still have the same conflict left that helped bring down the Soviet Union.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:36 PM
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5. That's a shocking statement,
and it made me freeze in my tracks.

You're absolutely correct, and for anyone in Washington DC, it should make the blood drain from their face.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:47 PM
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3. He's right, it is yet another diaster as per this article
Major battle kills over 100 in southern Afghanistan

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - More than 100 people, including militants, civilians and police, have died in three days of fierce clashes between NATO forces and Taliban fighters in Uruzgan province in southern Afghanistan, Afghan officials said Monday.

Some preliminary estimates of the death toll exceeded 200 people, but precise numbers were not immediately available because of the continued fighting.

In eastern Afghanistan, U.S.-led coalition jets bombed a compound suspected of housing al-Qaida militants, killing seven boys and several insurgents, officials said.

snip

In the capital Kabul, police said they have detained a suspect in connection with the deadly Sunday bus bombing that killed at least 35 people, most of them police trainers.

more

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=5e281ebf-4ceb-42e6-baef-8165687b5091&k=76580

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:50 PM
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4. The Brits couldn't tame it, the Soviets couldn't...what made these arrogant assholes...
...think it would be any different this time...

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...truer words have not been uttered...

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result...

Guess none of the rocket scientists in the Pentagon or in the WH know their history...
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:44 PM
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7. I did not support the Invasion of Afghanistan.
While most Americans did, I posted against it and got slammed for doing so. Going after al Q was the proper course and the Busholini Regime failed in doing so. Their aim was to take over Afghanistan to develope a gas pipeline. In order to do this they needed to overthrow the Taliban Govt. Al Q was not as important as that in their view.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:43 PM
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6. "When yer wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains..
and the women come out to cut up your remains,
Just roll to your rifle, and blow out yer brains,
And go to your Gawd like a soldier!"

Rudyard Kipling

My grandfather, as a Brit soldier, fought in Afghanistan in the 1890s. Same sort of people were the enemy, and the results were much the same as a whole list of other conquerers suffered.
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