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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:29 PM
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The Last Caucus
In 2002, Robert Caro published the third in his wonderful series of books on Lyndon Johnson. Titled "The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate," it followed "The Path to Power" (1982) and "Means of Ascent" (1990). These are the best books on LBJ, and readers are anticipating the last book in the series, which will cover LBJ as vice president and president.

The 43rd chapter of the book on LBJ’s senate career is titled "The Last Caucus" (pages 1035 - 1040). Caro quotes Lady Bird as saying of the senate years, "Those were the happiest twelve years of our lives." Washington insiders had wondered how LBJ would adjust from being one of the most powerful men in the government, to being the vice president? LBJ told them, "Power is where power goes."

However, as Caro describes, after the 1960 election, Johnson began to understand that he was leaving the position of power he had loved. In January 1961, before he had formally resigned from the senate and been sworn in as vice president, Johnson began to come up with plans to maintain power in legislative branch, while serving in the executive branch. He describes LBJ as taking the stance "that the Constitution already assigned the Vice President functions in the Senate: to preside over it, and to vote in it in case of a tie…."

Johnson attempted to keep an office for himself in Senate Office Building, and to have democrats recognize him as still being the de facto Majority Leader. Even Evans & Novak wrote of this as being an attempt to "breach the constitutional separation of powers by making the Vice President the presiding officer of all the Senate Democrats …."

Robert Byrd commented, "Can you imagine that?" and called it "a mistake." Albert Gore stated that they might as well have President Kennedy participate in the senate. Mike Monroney, a friend of LBJ’s, stated that the senate "will lose its power by having a representative of the Executive Branch watching our private caucuses."

Hubert Humphrey would say that it "was too much for him to leave that center of power. He was just reluctant to give up those reins." Eventually, President Kennedy would send a message that he recognized "the line of demarcation between the legislative and executive branches of government." LBJ had to recognize it, as well.

The House and the Senate needs to make this crystal clear to VP Dick Cheney, too.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:32 PM
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1. Yes, but those were "sensible times"
or so it seems now days....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:37 PM
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2. I just love precedence! Let the Congress do their jobs, with your knowledge! nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:40 PM
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4. It might be good
for DUers to bring that chapter of Caro's book to the attention of their elected representatives.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:39 PM
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3. Did you hear Lady Bird is in the hospital tonight?
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 09:40 PM by seemslikeadream
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:41 PM
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5. Yes, I did.
I have always thought highly of her. She put up with a lot.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:42 PM
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6. I have too
I think she's just wonderful
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:47 PM
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7. But, but... IOKIYAR.
Immmpeeeach...

Immmmmmpeeeeeeeeach...
(subliminal post)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:25 PM
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8. If I were a newbie, could you explain IOKIYAR?
I honestly don't have a clue.:blush:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:36 PM
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9. Same here.
:shrug:
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:42 PM
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10. "It's OK If You Are Republican"
Things which are disallowed to us mere mortals are perfectly permissible if one is a member of the Better Class of People. i.e. the GOP.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:54 PM
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11. Bless you-thanks! nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:30 AM
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12. Thanks, I didn't know that either
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:41 AM
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13. I can remember
my father telling me that one of LBJ's favorite descriptions of someone he held in contempt was, "He ain't a pimple on a good man's ass." I think that fits both George and Dick.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:59 AM
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14. A vice precedent.
:patriot:

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:12 AM
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15. Given their inclination to spit at all laws, including our Constitution, I doubt,...
,...they give a damn precedence exists on the issue.

I am amazed at the lawyers who work for them. They willingly IGNORE the law and just make shit up at the request of their masters. Disgusting!!! None of them should be licensed to practice!!!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:17 AM
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16. This is unrelated to what your point is, but if JFK had used LBJ more in dealing with congress
he actually might have had a better chance of passing his legislative program which was often stalled in congress.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:54 PM
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17. Welcome to DU, book_worm.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:47 PM
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18. "readers are anticipating" ... has to be the understatement of the year.
Reading any one of those volumes is like going off to live another life ... it's hard to return to reality after reading the last page.

Extrapolating the obvious trend, vol. 4 should come out around 2012.

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