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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:08 PM
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Can we all at least agree that if a Democrat doesn't win in 2008
we are royally screwed???
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:10 PM
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1. YES!!!!! I sure agree with THAT! n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:10 PM
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2. Therein lies the risk of not impeaching.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:14 PM
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4. So you think replacing Bush with someone like McCain --
which is what would happen -- would leave us all better off in 2008?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:20 PM
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5. Replace Bush with Pelosi!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:47 PM
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18. That would never happen.
If impeachments were on the way, Cheney would resign and Bush would appoint his replacement. Then Bush would resign and the Bush appointee would be President.

This is what happened when Richard Nixon faced impeachment, and how Gerald Ford became President.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:54 PM
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21. Replacement Has to be Approved by the Senate
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:06 AM
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22. The Senate would always approve another Senator. McCain would be
a shoo-in.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:51 AM
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32. McCain is not exactly loved by his colleagues in the Senate
They've seen his violent temper
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:31 AM
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35. Whether it is McCain or some other Senator or Representative
doesn't really matter, although I am sure McCain would be approved -- as a matter of professional courtesy, if nothing else.

The point is, Bush would appoint someone of his own party, and barring some known serious misbehavior on that person's part (like being a racist, for example) any current Senator or Rep would almost surely be approved.

No way would Bush appoint someone like Pelosi.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:04 PM
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38. Oh, I agree it would be a Republican
It would be interesting to see if Bush would appoint someone with aspirations to be the next president, or if he'd follow his history of appointing the most incompetent person in the country and/or whoever would piss off the Democrats the most.

What if he appointed Jeb?
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:13 AM
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26. And exactly how powerful was Ford?
How long did he keep his Presidency? Do you honestly think once Bush* and Cheney are gone that whoever takes command would any better or garner any votes to win the Presidency on their own? I don't...
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:21 AM
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28. Powerful enough to pardon Nixon
Not powerful enough to re-intervene in Indochina in 1975.

Ford made the 1976 election a lot closer than many people remember.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:43 AM
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30. So then I guess Nixon should never have been forced to resign
Since it made absolutely no difference in who the President was. :shrug: You want to suggest keeping Bush* and Cheney in Office, I don't, so I guess we will just have to disagree on this issue..
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:58 AM
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39. When you come down to it
It was the republican party which forced Nixon to resign, not the Dems.

ANd I disagree it made no difference who the President was. I believe that Nixon would have re-intervened to prevent the final collapse of South Vietnam.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:32 AM
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36. McCain already is a candidate. This could position him.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:22 PM
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7. Uh no
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 11:22 PM by sanskritwarrior
right now my choice is hillary and hopefully Wes Clark......

ooops thought you were talking to me......
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:49 PM
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19. But that's not how it would work.
We can't do a surprise impeachment. If impeachments were on the horizon, Cheney would resign and Bush would appoint a new V.P. Then Bush would resign and the new V.P. -- someone like McCain -- would become President.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 08:17 AM
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25. I truely cannot figure out the line of thinking you are presenting.
Are you fear struck? Fear is what got us here.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:36 AM
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37. I'm not fear struck, I'm aware of history.
Impeaching Bush and Cheney now won't put Pelosi in office, as many seem to think.
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TnDem Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:52 AM
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40. Forget impeachment...
Ain't gonna happen. The Democratic Senate likes having Chimp around to throw stones at.

At least Bush keeps their approval ratings in the teens. Without him, it drops to the single digits.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:13 PM
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3. Yes, a Dem MUST win! nt
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:20 PM
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6. That's "screwn."
And yes.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:24 PM
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8. I gotta say this bloomberg/hagel thing is a little weird
Most repugs won't vote for Hagel and a lot of left leaners might like bloomberg........Oy vey, I don't want that guy to run.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:33 PM
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13. SCROD!!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:24 PM
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9. Optimism, faith and hope
will ultimately be surrounded by truth
and facts,

that we will have to live with from for many years
from
the bay of Guantanamo to the islands of Diego Garcia

to the military industrial complex that you support and

The blue dog democrats that you inhale which is equal to


the .......SERVICE that you do........for humanity
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:27 PM
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10. Cmon now this is a thread
about us winning, the personal stuff is over.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:36 PM
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14. So the day when Cheney said what he did
Fascism is still a looney left wing idiocy?


You now agree something is terribly wrong.
You slam what we see, post and give academic and factual information.

I am not pissed at you, just disappointed
since this is


"about "us "winning"?
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:38 PM
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16. I'm not gonna talk about that
that issue is done.

I will say one thing, no one at any time has given me proof that we are a fascist nation.

Can we please drop it and stay on topic?
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:47 PM
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17. I'll drop it on this thread...
But I'm willing to wager a considerable sum that I can prove this nation is at least incipiently fascist.

As for the OP, it depends on the Democrat that wins.

If Hillary wins, it's just Republic lite..

I'm personally torn between Kucinich and Ron Paul.

As a leftist, I agree wholeheartedly with Kucinich.

Unfortunately, as a libertarian I like quite a bit of what Paul has to say too.

Both of them are against the single most freedom destroying thing in the USA, the War On (some) Drugs.

I'm pro individual freedom, hence I could vote for either of them.

That being said, I would far rather vote for Kucinich.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:05 AM
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24. Agree, drop it here, and yes, we be screwn if Executive Branch stays Repub.
Even for SCOTUS slant.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:12 AM
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33. "I'm personally torn between Kucinich and Ron Paul."
Are you friggin serious?

:eyes:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:28 PM
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11. well duh!
but lets not think that a dem winning necessarily fixes the root cause:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=474927&mesg_id=474927
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firefox_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:28 PM
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12. Said the same in 2004!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:23 AM
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29. And screwn we were
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firefox_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:39 AM
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31. We sure were!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:38 PM
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15. From the looks of things we're screwed either way
Unless someone like Kucinich wins in 2008, it'll just be a slower screw.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:50 PM
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20. Screwed worse? Probably...
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:25 AM
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23. Cali will Survive
It's a luxury of living on the Left Coast. Whatever bat-shit crazy stuff they do in DC, Cali has enough going to keep us sun-loving nut-jobs busy.

Or at least that's what I tell my 14-year old.

And then there's always British Columbia.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:19 AM
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27. this country has been screwed since nixon
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:13 AM
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34. Screwed is a nice way of putting it
Another republican President and this country will be in the middle of WWIII..
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