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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:36 PM
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Is your city experiencing "copper theft" problems too?
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 07:37 PM by Wcross
It is an almost daily story here in the Nashville area. People are stealing air conditioners from homes/businesses for the copper content! 3-4 thousand dollar units stolen for the 5-10 bucks of copper value.
Some guys got arrested trying to "salvage" copper from a cell tower recently. Construction sites are routinely raided including homes stripped of the new wiring!
I would be highly upset if someone stole my unit to scrap out and get 10 bucks! I would rather GIVE them 20 to leave it alone!

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:38 PM
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1. Yes in Indy ...
:wtf: ... they're also peeling siding off of abandoned homes. :shrug:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:02 PM
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24. Here in Ft Wayne 3 thieves steal copper gutters off Cathedral
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:27 PM
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50. Probably aluminum siding.
I think there's an aluminum shortage too.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:40 PM
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2. Yup. And once or twice I've read about guys getting fried ...
... trying to strip electrical wiring outta new homes without turning off the current. Bummer, eh?
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:01 AM
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37. That happens in Atlanta
on a fairly regular basis.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:43 PM
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3. yes
everywhere in northern il. aluminum is also being stolen-70ct for pop cans
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:44 PM
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4. Yes...
Stealing plumbing from under older empty houses and copper gutters and downspouts off of buildings too. The war has driven the price of scrap metal up high - people here are going around buying old rusted cars out of the woods - they can bring $300 - $400 depending on the weight. We have even seen parked cars that are not being used stolen to be sold for scrap. Another thing we can blame on the war.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:45 PM
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5. Happened to some friends,
Meth addicts will go on 48 hour metal theft binges and take fucking everything,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6469720
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:46 PM
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6. YES!
This last winter I was staying at my farm because the house we are building was not secure yet. The copper had just gone in. I was walking on the ice and snow down to close the gate when I noticed someone had pulled up to the house and had a horse trailer behind the truck. They saw me and about hit me on the way out, no license plate. I went in and followed their tracks down into the basement where all the wire and pipes were. Thankfully they must have just gotten there because nothing was missing but a lot of tools were placed by the stairs like they were going to take them too. The sheriff came out and told me that they get calls like that daily from new construction, power plants, just about anywhere copper can be found.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:47 PM
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7. It's a big problem over in Tulsa (40 miles away)...so far none out here that I know of.
Anybody who tries to steal our a/c will get a bonus: free lead, which when picked out of the body can be used for fishing weights. ;-)
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:49 PM
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9. rock salt lets 'em live to regret
funner that way plus you don't take as big of a chance of going to the cross bar hotel :-)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:07 PM
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14. Yeah, I guess so but last night somebody shot out our motion lights.
Probably with a BB gun but if they try it again I'm using something a lot more potent in response. I'm sick of these little chickenshit punks terrorizing the neighborhood. (they shot our dog the other day too...the vet took out a pellet)

They want to shoot, I'm shooting back. Fuck 'em.

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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:51 PM
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20. Hope your dog is okay.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:50 PM
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29. Thanks, yes, Fritz is okay. Hit him in the butt, basically. If it had been his eye...
well...I better not say any more.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:48 PM
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8. as long as the price of copper is so high there will be the thefts
mind you I don't actually know the price of copper but if the price of steel is any comparison copper would be sky high.
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webDude Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:55 PM
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10. Houston - a rehabber's nightmare. Many AC "cages" are bought. Live wires...
In Houston, AC "Cages" are routinely locked around AC condensors in high crime areas. There has even been talk of requiring a copy of your driver's license that the salvage yard holds for a week or two, when you sell scrap.

I personally have seen a year old house with it's wire completely torn out, the AC coils outside and inside torn out, the tubing connecting them torn out, and, the piece of resistence, seeing the LIVE wires, clipped, hangin from the power lines in the backyard by the pole.

Ain't crack grand?
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BluePatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:35 AM
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45. ditto on the Houston
my customer has had some copper scrap "disappear" out of our cargo warehouse. Rumor has it we had to pay him $17,000.

He had 50 copper shoes come in a box Friday to ship to S. Arabia. I hope no one in the whse gets any ideas.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:58 PM
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11. In my town they are bringing cutting torches to construction sites
and cutting up the containers that everyone puts their tools in. The cops (gee what a surprise) can't keep up with it so nothing gets done. Welcome to the third world, or as my stepdaughter once said, " Table manners improve in direct relation to the amount of food on the table".

I don't blame the folks that are being so creative at stealing our equipment, I blame the people that steal soo much that there is nothing left on the table.

You do what you have to do to feed your family.

It costs about $65,000 per year to jail someone. How many of those in jail would be there if they could find a job that paid 65K per year?
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:35 PM
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51. That is a profound statement
It costs about $65,000 per year to jail someone. How many of those in jail would be there if they could find a job that paid 65K per year?


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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 01:55 AM
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53. But meth addicts won't work
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 01:56 AM by Lasher
They'll get a job and work at it for a few days or even a few weeks but they can't stay off the drugs. They usually get fired because they keep calling in sick every other day or they just go on a binge and are never heard from again by their employers. After the drugs and money run out they start looking around to see how they can get more.

I want these people in jail because while they are there they can't be stealing from me.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:06 PM
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12. Good grief yes. I just heard about it recently. Construction sites are being
hit very hard.

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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:07 PM
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13. It's pretty bad in Tampa
On the news a lot.

:(
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:15 PM
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15. My Girfriend Has a Rental House in a Bad Neighborhood
when she bought it, the external power line (about 30 feet from the house to the pole) had been dug up and stolen.

A few months ago, she hired someone to finish the basement. He stopped working and she let him go. But he returned long enough to rip out twelve feet of cold water line he had just put in.

This is in Baltimore. So, yes, it does happen elsewhere.

:)
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:20 PM
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16. Dallas, too...
What gives, here? Is our economy really that much in the crapper? Or did someone release a hot tip on copper futures?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:21 PM
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17. yup
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:23 PM
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18. Interesting
This has been going on for a while. Twenty years ago when I was a kid in WV, you heard stories like this fairly frequently. Even the power company, where my mom worked, got hit.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:46 PM
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19. meth kills
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:51 PM
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21. OMG..yes ..on the jersey shore we have outdoor showers..they are stealing the shower copper pipes!!
huge problem..over the winter while no one was at the beach homes!!
( its a jersey shore thing ..the outdoor shower thing)

all my friends had their copper piping from their showers stolen..ripped right out!!

mine has a good lock so they didn't get into mine..but most are unlocked ..and about 12 houses on my street had their pipes ripped out!!

fly
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:55 PM
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22. Happened recently in my town.
A factory that's been shutdown for a few years has been hit twice. These was a machine tool manufacturing plant. Lots of heavy copper cabling for machinery. I guess it's not a surprise, considering that spot pricing for copper is about $3,50/lb.

Nickel is the stuff they should be going after....it's now at $54,000/metric ton up from $14,000/mt 2 years ago!
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:01 PM
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23. Yes, in my Ohio town.
They're taking the copper fittings on whole-house units that sit outside. They're also breaking into homes and taking the copper plumbing. And they're taking the brass hook-ups off commercial buildings (ones used for fire hoses). And they're pulling aluminum siding off houses.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:04 PM
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25. Shocking in such a great economy?
People are getting desperate.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:09 PM
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26. I'm 40 milrs east of Nashvegas, in Lebanon
and I would only agree with copper theft

if it was being used as EFP's

to take back America from the Neocons
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:33 PM
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27. Here in AZ it's just as bad. These people could get a job mining the stuff for more than they get
per hour from stealing, but oh well! They'd rather hurt someone else in the process! Here they actually take the water and gas pipes off of homes and businesses. I think some idiots actually have been electrocuted trying to steal :i:live:i/: wire.
Electricians, plumbers, and everyone else who uses copper as a raw material has to keep it secured Fort Knox style or they're just throwing it away.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:44 PM
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28. Who buys scrap metal and why aren't the buyers being shut down?
"stolen property"

:mad:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:52 PM
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30. I will probably get flamed for this, but most scrap metal dealers are just
legal 'fences.' It is traditional in this country.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:10 PM
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32. "the appeal to tradition"
Almost always full of crap.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:13 PM
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33. I hope you understand I don't make an appeal for tradition. I find it repulsive.
But it is a part of our culture. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. :-)
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:18 PM
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34. Yes, I understand that you don't endorse illegal scrapping.
However, something must and likely will be done to cramp down on those who knowingly purchase stolen property. :)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:55 PM
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31. Thanks for the tip.
I live in Knoxville and we have copper piping that is too easy to get to (it's in our garage/basement).

Just told hubby we need to fix the garage door we've been neglecting to do.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:02 PM
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47. Kids around here are "garage surfing" too!
They go from garage to garage stealing beer if people have it in an outdoor fridge. They also are stealing gas.

Better get that door fixed!!!!!!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:20 PM
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35. I work in insurance reviewing claims nationwide - it's a problem almost everywhere.
To say nothing of people who steal aluminum siding from burned out houses, etc.
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recoveringrepublican Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:48 AM
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36. I can't find the link
but just a couple of days ago I read about a couple being arrested for this. I live in the Tampa/Clearwater area.

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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:02 AM
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38. Suburban trains stopped on 2 lines for half a day last month
because some enterprising folk had stripped the copper wire from the signals.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:47 AM
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39. My dad works for a company that builds transformers for utilities...
You know, those big ones that are fenced in, etc. Anyways, the place he works at requires things like card-keys to park on the property, and the fence is topped with barbed wire. My dad designs these things, and they are built on site as well. A lot of scrap copper is thrown in bins outside the buildings, and these are locked, then the bins are sent to scrapyards by rail. The bins resemble large garbage bins.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:38 AM
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40. Copper might be the new gold.

Measure of Metal Supply Finds Future Shortage
By David Biello

Copper is used in everything from automobiles to ordnance. Copper allows electricity to be generated, transported and conducted to the various outlets in a modern home. Copper is also relatively scarce compared to other metals like iron or aluminum that make up a good portion of the earth itself. So copper serves as an excellent metallic bellwether for potential future resource scarcity, according to a group of researchers who compiled data on its extraction, use, recycling and discard to estimate whether there is enough copper available to make a developed standard of living available to all the world's people. The short answer is: no.

"We have gathered together the information on these metals that is the stock in use," says team leader Thomas Graedel of Yale University. "This tells you how much copper it really takes to provide electricity, plumbing, road systems. We can say considerably better than people have been able to say in the past how much does it take if the world is going to live like a person from a developed country."

SNIP

The researchers went on to examine per capita use of copper in the U.S. and other developed countries. While some theorists had predicted that metal use would decline as economies advanced beyond building metallic infrastructure, the teams' data showed that overall copper use in the U.S. climbed to a high of 238 kilograms per person by 1999. Declines in areas like manufacturing and railroads were more than offset by increases in areas like motor vehicles and domestic devices. In fact, residents of Canada, Mexico and the U.S. required an average of 170 kilograms of copper per person. Multiply that by overall population estimates of 10 billion people by 2100 and the world will require 1.7 billion metric tons of copper by that date--more than even the most generous estimate of available resources.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=000CEA15-3272-13C8-9BFE83414B7FFE87

From www.freecharts.com:

http://www.freecharts.com/Commodities.aspx?sym=HGY0&data=H&page=chart

See also this diary at Daily Kos Kaboom: Peak copper, superspike prices, oil and US debt by Jerome a Paris

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:54 AM
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41. Nope Meet The New Gold...Worth Lots More Than The Old Gold



Or is it more like the dollar continues to head south and those who can get out are doing so with gusto right now.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:06 AM
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42. It's a worldwide problem
Soaring global demand for copper is a growing threat to the British railway network leading to a surge in trackside metal theft, police have warned. Copper theft caused more than 240,000 minutes of delays for train passengers last year after a near-fivefold rise in robberies at tracks and depots.

Rail customers are the victims of an economic crime that is being driven by the insatiable demand for industrial material in China and India, said Andy Trotter, deputy chief constable of the British Transport police. "It is a growing problem," he said. "You have only got to look at the rising copper price on the metal market and the theft of copper matches that rise almost absolutely. Unfortunately, the impact on the infrastructure is beginning to bite."
...
Police also blamed copper thieves for the demolition of a bungalow in Bradford yesterday. The unoccupied house exploded after copper gas pipes on the outer walls were fractured, apparently by someone trying to rip them out. Police are looking for two boys, aged 10 and 11, in relation to the explosion.

"The copper is going through larger scrapyards, then to smelters and then by ship to China, which has an incredible demand for copper, particularly with the Beijing Olympics coming and the demand for telecoms infrastructure," Mr Trotter said.

The global price of copper has risen fivefold since 2001 and has risen above $8,000 (£4,000) a tonne this year, driven by demand for its use in car production, building and power grids. China accounts for about 20% of global copper consumption and the US for 13%. Such is the demand that 2p pieces are more valuable if they are melted down for their copper.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,,2089645,00.html


Scrap thieves in France ransack TGV rail lines for copper

Copper theft stalls Italy trains

Scrap metal dealers have been urged to help stamp out copper cable theft which has cost Cape Town R22 million in the last twelve months alone and caused crippling power outages.

South Africa: Scrap Metal Dealers Help Prevent Copper Cable Theft
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:38 AM
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43. Ya, and some scumbags were even stealing the metal crash barriers that line roads and freeways.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:19 AM
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44. Yeah,
stripping ground-wires off telephone poles, etc.

The tweekers are stealing everything here. For the first time since I moved here, we have had thefts on this street, although no break-ins (which probably draw more police attention, as a guess). (Apparently the problem has been resolved for the moment...) Gas is a particular target; in one incident, they pulled the feeder-hose off the gas tank of my buddy's old pickup and drained it. (Hit me too -- neither vehicle has a working gas gauge... his, at least, wouldn't even start; mine died at a random place -- to my temporary confusion and considerable inconvenience.)

I have a buddy who does recycling (outdoor places where people shoot can have lots of brass) as a significant part of his income, and he says the buyer told him the stuff goes directly to ships for China. (Raw materials out -- finished products in.)
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:24 PM
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49. "Raw materials out -- finished products in"
Sounds like a third world economy.

Futures so bright, gotta wear shades.

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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:53 AM
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52. Yeah,
the kind of shades you can't see through.

Or, at least, that seems to be the case for too many in this country.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:43 AM
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46. Yup, it's epidemic here in Mid Missouri
Building sites, homes for sale, even homes where the owner has just stepped out are getting hit hard. And these people aren't being neat and tidy about this, ripping and smashing, leaving the home a gutted wreck.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:23 PM
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48. Well........ it could be worse.
These people could still be part of the problem if Darwin didn't rear his ugly head.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1B2GGGL_enUS205US205&hl=en&q=electrocuted+stealing+copper&btnG=Google+Search
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:45 AM
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54. People around here will steal ANY metal.
It doesn't matter what it is, tin, lead, aluminum, copper, iron. It's crazy the kind of things they are stealing for the metal, lawn ornaments, chain-link fencing, road signs, mailboxes, sewer grates, manhole covers, you name it.

You know this economy is in the shitter when people are out scavenging for any metal objects they can find.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 05:56 AM
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55. On the bright side, at least people are learning that recycleing.........
has a viable business model. Sure don't hear the cons trying to pooh-pooh reuse. Technology is even partly responsible for the elimination of witch burning in the U.S. :shrug:
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