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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:05 PM
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Why do the republicons hate Hillary so much...
I know it can't be just because she didn't leave him. The main people who are so angry at her are adulterers and who knows what else. Did these people spew this hate at her before they found out about Monica and the healthcare issue. They seem to want her as the candidate because they believe that people won't vote for her if they say her vote is screeching or she was angry about something. They are coming out of the woodworks with these books that talk about nothing so what is the deal? They are holding back on Obama but if he is the candidate they will fall all over themselves showing their racism.

If either of these two get the nomination, the Swift boats will look like childs play. These people are really crazy and I don't think some really realized it until the fruitcakes in the whitehouse began to show what they really are about, and we haven't seen anything yet. I believe these people who say this is not the real republicon party have had a rude awakening and have realized what effects some, effects all in one way or the other. These people have plenty more dirty tricks to pull out of there trickbag...
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:08 PM
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1. I don't care for her either. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:10 PM
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2. I'll correct you on one small point
if the candidate was Jesus H Crist himself, the swiftboats would still look like child's play

She's just an easier target, to a point, but don't delude yourself... it does not matter WHO we run... the right sees any dem in office as a clear and present danger to their view of what this country should be

And I am willing to bet they are willing to go far, and not just stop at slander...
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:46 PM
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18. The one thing that I don't want to hear all through the campaign is...
some garbage about how hillary screeches, what is bill's job going to be, and other nonsense that takes up weeks while no one is talking about issues like, jobs,affordable housing, food safety, and things that effect most of us day to day in our towns and neighborhoods. I want to hear about some of these issues as well as Iraq,immigration,etc. What I am really tired of hearing about is abortion because if the repugs really wanted to get rid of it they would have done it in the past sic years, and I don't want the campaign spent talking about gay marriage, no one is going to stop people from being gay no matter how many laws they pass,.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:10 PM
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3. Don't underestimate hate radio.
It's been around since the 1930's and Father Coughlin.

The only reason the corporate propagandists need is that she is not a republican, not a member of the corporate party.

She has bent over backwards to please the corporatists, which is why Democrats hate her.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:11 PM
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4. Bingo
I don't hate it, just that we don't need another consevative president, after 25 years of them (yes Bill WAS the best Republican we had in many years, from HIS POLICIES)
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:15 PM
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6. That's my concern too
The country should be run with the greater good in mind, not the greater wealth of corporate America.

My current belief is Hillary tends to concern herself far more with DLC business and open trade issues than American worker and middle America issues.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:16 PM
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7. She has bent over backwards to please the corporatist, which is why Real Democrats Don't want
her to be our candidate. WE don't need no more damn CORPORATIST.
The only thing that can save this country is to run end elect STRONG PROGRESSIVE POPULISTS.

All the damn "centrists" and FAUX DINO Corporatist can go screw themselves.
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:19 PM
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11. Is Hillary a populist or a corporatist or a member of the ruling dynasty?
My belief also is that she is a corporatist first, and a Democrat second. Furthermore America doesn't need to perpetuate a ruling dynasty.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:25 PM
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13. My belief is that she is a Hillaryist first. She panders to the Corporatist
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 03:26 PM by Vincardog
because she seems to think that is the way to get her what she wants.
The next Democratic President needs to STAND on Principals FOR the people or we are lost.

All the "Centrists" and DINO DLC fools are nothing but enablers.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:13 PM
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5. Because they see Bill in her, and a lot of Democrats support her for the same reason
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 03:13 PM by ThomWV
And both would be disapointed in what they got if she were to win - which ain't gonna happen anyway in hell.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:17 PM
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8. They hate her because she is smarter and
better than they are. They are also f king crazy. Most people against Hillary hate smart women. Even some dems. I saw her in action in 1998 and she was great in our school district. She knew what she was talking about and I have loved her ever since. Listen to what she says and stop bitching. The msn is trying to sway your vote. I hope you saw that tweety got his backside handed to him by her. The MSN said she was booed but she also got a lot of points across. Take a good look for yourself and stop being led like sheep.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:18 PM
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9. personally , i can't find any dems i know that like her..
what can i say?? and i am an elected dem delegate and i run numerous internet info fast response groups in Fla and NJ...and in all my groups..not one person is for Hillary..in fact there is more contempt than anything..men and women!!

and i would say the worst reaction to her is from dem women!!

I have yet to hear from any in my groups that support her.

most are waiting on Gore!! and begging for Gore!!

this is not meant as flame bait..this is just the facts..

and i get perplexed when i hear the media say women are the most supportive of Hillary..i do not see it at all..not one bit..women seem the most vocal in the negative that i am dealing with.

fly

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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:21 PM
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12. For me, it's too soon
for another Clinton of any gender. I truly believe that if Hillary becomes the 2008 candidate, we will have managed to give the WH to the repukes for at least another 4 years and we can't afford it.

I think she'll eventually be a great president but it's just too soon.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:53 PM
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19. thank you..yes that is another point i keep hearing repeated...
enough of the *hes and the clintons..most want someone new ..not the same family crap repeated!

fly
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:52 PM
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25. have to say that aside from some at DU I have not heard any of my Dem friends say they wanted HRC
I know that I don't want HRC as our nominee....
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:18 PM
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10. #1 reason...no penis
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 03:19 PM by China_cat
More balls than most of them but no penis
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:07 PM
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22. yeah, it probably does come down to "no penis' in a deeply rooted psychological way.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:26 PM
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14. Her "gift" for triangulation means that they get shut out of the "glory"...
of being corporate errand boys (and girls)
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:37 PM
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15. The Republicons
never forgave Clinton for winning in 92. The couldn't beat him so they worked on making as many people as possible hate him. And because Hillary is his wife, she's fair game.

They hated the Clinton's long before Monica. Some of it goes back to Arkansas and just escalated after that.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:22 PM
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24. The republicon women seem to really hate her...
that Bay Buchanan has written a book about nothing and she they don't seem to have anything to say but something that happened 20 or 30 years ago that doesn't relate to anything or has been proven to be false.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:39 PM
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16. She's smarter than they are and more successful than they are
Per right wing rules, women just aren't cut out by nature to do these things. The male repuke is threatened - women like Hillary aren't supposed to happen. The women are jealous - they know Hillary could have left Bill if she wanted, while they, due to the financial threats of being single women/mothers, know they are stuck with their cheating SOB husband.



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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:03 PM
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21. BINGO!
What you said, EXACTLY!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:00 PM
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27. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
They are jealous of her.

Plus she represents the triumph of the women's movement, that women can achieve if given (roughly) equal opportunities. She represents the triumph of "liberal social experimentation," as RWers so love to spit out as an epithet. And that, I think, is what galls them the most, that liberals are right about what this society should be aspiring to.

She's not my favorite candidate and I wish she weren't running, only because I don't like the idea of us developing a class of families who expect to trade the presidency between them. But it's not because I don't think she isn't talented enough to be president.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:21 PM
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32. She's UPPITY, too!
That's worse than being smart. The fundies believe women should be subject to all the various men in their lives.

My fundie sister-in-law just HATES Hilary, and when I asked why, she just sputtered and said "She should just be quiet!"

When I said that I didn't like H very much, either, because she's just another corporate shill.... not radical enough for me.... I thought my s-i-l's head would explode.
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:40 PM
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17. Now, everyone tell me why some hate Biden ...
I haven't chosen any candidate yet but I am looking ahead at who can deal with, world leaders, all of the people in this country and not some, good in the debates for whoever is on the other side. I haven't heard anything really about the issues except healthcare and Iraq.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:09 PM
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23. After I quit laughing, I'd like to refer you to this section:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

"Everyone tell why some hate (candidate)" makes me laugh. GD Politics is a good place to look for stuff like this.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:59 PM
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20. she does have the uncanny ability to get under their skin
that's her most appealing quality
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:53 PM
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26. I think it's simple - she has ovaries
And she's not barefoot or in the kitchen or pregnant.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:04 PM
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28. We need to be more concerned about
Dems who can't stand her.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:26 PM
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29. my guess
In January 1974 she was chosen as one of 43 lawyers handpicked to work on the legal staff of the House Judiciary Committee, which was charged with preparing impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon resulting from the Watergate scandal. When Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974, and the legal staff disbanded, she accepted a teaching position at the University of Arkansas Law School. It was in Arkansas in 1975 that she married Bill Clinton, whom she had met while attending Yale.

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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:11 PM
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30. I am finding a lot of support for Hillary in my daily
conversations with folks. And I live in Texas!
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:14 PM
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31. She doesn't use her sexuality to appease men.
Senator Clinton isn't my first choice, though I try not to hold Celine Dion against her. :)

At first I thought that the republicans hate her, because she's strong and assertive woman. But then I thought of the flat-out mean women that they adore such as Ann Coulter and Barbara Bush. The difference? Hillary Clinton doesn't use sex. Before you pour peroxide in your ears thinking about Barbara Bush, you can see that her whole life is about being mean and hateful for men. Ann Coulter is all about being mean and hateful and advocating for women not to vote. They may be rabid, but they're rabid for male domination. Similarly, Condoleeza Rice is highly educated and, I admit, intelligent in an academic sense. However, she uses everything inside of her to support a man. Uck.

Hillary Clinton supported Bill Clinton, but she is a person in her own right. Not everything in Hillary Clinton is about serving Bill or flirting with men in power. She doesn't raise the inflection at the end of her sentences or downplay her strengths. She isn't anyone's minion. She's her own person, in addition to being Bill's partner and Chelsea's mom and New York's senator. And that's scary for people that are threatened by women that know who they are.

Again, I'm not saying Hillary Clinton is perfect. However, she is an equal to the other candidates. She's not the presidential candidate female auxiliary like Elizabeth Dole.

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