I've been thinking about this immigration bill. I hope it doesn't pass.

The more I hear about what's in it, the more I'm convinced it doesn't stand a chance of working for anyone but the greedy employers.

1. Come forward and pay a fine? Yea, and just how many of those poor folks have the $$ to pay a fine that big?

2. The Feds are goiing to do 24 hour background checks? Yea, just likt they did so well processing all those passports huh?

3. Fine the employers who hire illegals? THAT'S in the law right now! I heard they actually tried to enforce that when the law was passed in 1986, but all those same greedy employers jumped on the phone and told Congress & the Prez STOP IT! And they stopped!

4. Then there's all that extra $$ to build more fence. Sorry folks, I just don't see the fence idea working. The part that is already built is working for the immediate area where it is built, because anyone who wants to get around it just goes to a different area. IF they ever DID build a fence the entire border, people would find a way...under it, over it, or through it!

I think the current law is just fine IF IT'S ENFORCED! If the problem is fake ID's, then fix the ID problem, but scrap this foolishness that Congress is now messing with!

Do the jobs immigrants do, for the money they do it for and in the conditions they do it. bush supporting businessmen provide them the jobs in an attempt to lower wages. Its utter bullshit when Americans say they will do those jobs. Make a fucking Nike commercial then. Just Do It.

employers are hiring illegals to work for them is because they want the cheapest labor they can find so their own pockets can bulge more! IMO those employers are abusing theie workers! If you own a business and can't afford to pay your workers a decent wage, then your business isn't a viable model and shouldn't survive!

Check back to the days when we had a similar situation in the US. Back in the 20's & 30's. Back when labor unions came into being. It's the same damn thing. The very wealthy employers were making their employees work 16-18 hrs a day, no breaks, starvation wages, and yes, many of them were immigrents then too! It was all greed then as well.

Way too many employers are using every damn thing they can to get anybody who will work cheap , and that's almost the only criteria. Do you honestly think it's OK for a company who was doing just fine, making a 20% - 30% profit to get rid of all their employees because they found a way to make 60% profit by hiring desperate people to work for 1/4th the wage and no benefits?

The immigration "problem" is not the immigrants fault, its the employers. I don't agree with Americans who say they will do the job that immigrants will do. They fail to add the same job, same wages, same conditions. I'm not advocating that at all. But it is a classic Apples-Oranges situation. If all the immigrants disappeared tomorrow, those opposing immigration would be screaming about the rise in prices of produce. Someone posted that employers could make as much profit with American employees instead of immigrants. Okay. Why isn't that happening?

I worked right alongside illegal immigrants in Florida picking flowers while I worked my way through college. I know they were illegals because they told me. The first couple of weeks I got paid in cash and was glad to have the job. But then my new Social Security card finally came in and I showed it to the foreman. They started paying me by check. When I asked why my paycheck was about $30.00 less than what everyone else was getting, the foreman said because they had to take out taxes, that was the law. But they paid the illegals in cash, with no taxes taken out.

I quit soon after. Yeah, it was hard dirty work but I've worked harder in other jobs. I don't see what the problem is of doing the job illegals do if you get paid a decent wage.

But what I always hear from flag wavers is that Americans will do the job that immigrants do always leaving out (at the same wages and same conditions.) Pay people a decent wage. Wonderful idea. But immigrants don't give themselves jobs, seldom are employers (bush supporters) held accountable while the flag wavers continue to call for deportation. When that happens will find out who will do what jobs.

We would all be illegal after that.

Don

Wont be able to vote for the next president in 2008. If that isn't just a plain stupid bill the democratic party has bought into, I don't know what is.

Don't forget all those high-tech, educated foreign workers Billy boy and his cohorts want to bring into the US with HB-1 visas because we US citizens are just too stupid for their great jobs.

It's nothing but a placebo designed to preserve the status quo.

was legalization of the illegal immigrants already here. He seems to think that it is the right thing to do for humanitarian, and possibly electoral, reasons. He is backing the bill as a whole, but my take it that is a trade off he is willing to make.

Republicans largely hate legalization, "amnesty" to them; love "border enforcement", since it's targeted at foreigners; and are lukewarm on employer sanctions, since it's targeted at Americans and, of course, their big money supporters. To my mind, there is no way that this administration will go after employers in more than a token way. Also, I don't see a new Democratic administration undertaking a massive program to go after American employers in order to make life miserable enough for illegal immigrants, largely Hispanic, that they return home in mass.

We can call for enforcement of existing law all we want, but the current laws are either practically or politically unenforceable. To rely on that as our sole strategy is to allow the current mess of millions of illegal immigrants, easy to exploit with no legal status, and more on the way.

Sorry, but to me THAT'S BS! I really don't GAS that a bunch of rich b'tds are screaming that they don't like it! I think "ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS" is exactly what our battle cry should be! And NOT let the current crop of idiots claim all their false excuses, because they're all WRONG! WE THE PEOP simply have to have a LOUDER VOICE than the lawmakers!

they finally came up with this charade. Doing nothing is better than what they want to do. Not one senator or representative is thinking clearly.