Actual conversation I participated in today:

Churchy lady at work (CLAW): You will never believe what I saw on the Discovery Channel the other day.

Other lady at work (OLAW): What?!

(CLAW): There was this "documentary" about how Adam had a different wife before Eve. Oh my God, what was her name...

FLDem5: Lilith

Looking at me with surprise, (CLAW): Yeah, Lilith, and the guy said they were both made from dirt! And then after that Eve was made from his rib. (Rolls her eyes)

FLDem5: Yes, it is a version of Creation from Genesis. She...

Irritated, (CLAW): Well, I turned it off and told my son not to tell anyone he had heard anything that silly.


Follow the logic with me: That a man and a woman were both created from the same thing - ABSURD

That a man was made from said thing, and then a woman was made from part of a man - UNIVERSAL TRUTH not to be questioned by science or laws of nature.

::: sigh :::

I need a drink.

:toast:

Good try at that whole educating thing, though. :D

it is insane, isn't it?

"Lilith was the first feminist who was kicked out of heaven for being too much for Adam to handle."

- Gilbert Hernandez (comic book writer and artist)

Oh, to have been there! Did you tell her how Lilith hated sex with Adam and ate little babies at night.

There's no record of her in Genesis at all. The way that story reads is that God saw Adam lonely in the Garden and created a partner for him, out of his rib, which was Eve.

No link was made between Adam and Lilith until much later in Jewish folk traditions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it;

...and then LATER in Genesis 2:

Then the Lord God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him." 19So out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper fit for him. 21So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; 22and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23Then the man said, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

So, in an attempt to "explain inconsistencies" Lilith tradition was born:



I am no expert, and I don't believe in biblical legends or tradions, but as a reader - there is SOME TYPE of woman created in Genesis 1 - and Eve doesn't appear until 2. You can argue semantics and translations (do biblical scholars ever do anything else?!) but Lilith is inferred by the bible and named in tradition.

I had not thought of it that way before. :rofl:

Hekate

:rofl:

Science be damned!! It's MY bible and I'll ALWAYS follow it.

Except for the stoning, turning asunder etc. parts. And the "thou shalt nots". Oh, I forgot the ones about giving up your daughters so they could be fucked by "angels"......... well, I guess if it guarantees heaven, I'll gotta do it.... :sarcasm:

...it sure does get rough trying to stay sane in this country, doesn't it? :crazy:

thats so pathetic.

I give you much credit for not laughing out loud.

It's why I generally eschew organized religion. I became a Deist. I don't believe in Scripture, holy prophets, angels, or anybody claiming to have been visited by angels or spoken to God or has been given the "secret truth" by angels, prophets, or God(s) without evidence. In any other case, it's simply hearsay.

but then all 1st wives tend to be demonized after they exit the scene.

:evilgrin:

anybody want to go for barbecue?

Particularly about a belief system that many are ready to die for.

The super fundie wingnuts seem to keep quiet down here in my neck of SoCal.

about Lilith and grandmother ( my MIL) told me I should make her stop reading and believing fairy tales and everything she read. We had a good chuckle at grams expense :nopity:

They write poetry, of course. But they don't dance.

too much logic would make their heads explode, and it makes a terrible mess.

Whether men and women have the smae number of ribs. you might be a little shocked at the answer. I mean, come on, haven't any of these people ever seen an x-ray or taken a biology class?

having to work with these two bats.