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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:14 AM
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We've Lost. Here's How To Handle It.

We've Lost. Here's How To Handle It.

Authors: Steven Simon, Hasib J. Sabbagh Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies
Ray Takeyh, Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies

June 17, 2007
Washington Post

Last week’s bloodshed in Iraq and the bombing of what remained of the historic Shiite shrine in Samarra and of two Sunni mosques in Basra were more reminders of a terrible truth: The war in Iraq is lost. The only question that remains—for our gallant troops and our blinkered policymakers—is how to manage the inevitable. What the United States needs now is a guide to how to lose—how to start thinking about minimizing the damage done to American interests, saving lives and ultimately wresting some good from this fiasco.

No longer can we avoid this bitter conclusion. Iraq’s winner-take-all politics are increasingly vicious; there will be no open, pluralistic Iraqi state to take over from the United States. Iraq has no credible central government that U.S. forces can assist and no national army for them to fight alongside. U.S. troops can’t beat the insurgency on their own; our forces are too few and too isolated to compete with the insurgents for the public’s support. Meanwhile, the country’s militias have become a law unto themselves, and ethnic cleansing gallops forward.

But the most crucial reason why the war is lost is that the American people decisively rejected continuing U.S. military involvement last November. As far as the voters are concerned, the kitchen is closed. U.S. policymakers have not yet faced this hard fact. Some disasters are irretrievable, and this is one of them. Unless we admit that, we cannot begin the grueling work of salvage.

One reason why Washington’s head remains firmly buried in the sand about defeat is that the Bush administration and its die-hard allies are determined to try to win a war that is already over. As justification, they warn that a U.S. withdrawal would mean disaster. The same policymakers who assumed that Iraq would be a cakewalk now assume that the hard-to-predict consequences of leaving will be vastly worse than the demonstrated costs of hanging on. They paint the unknowable as the unthinkable. According to national security adviser Steven J. Hadley, for instance, a failure to secure Baghdad will lead to “regional chaos” and a civil war that will bleed into surrounding countries. Or Anbar province will become an al-Qaeda mini-state radiating violence throughout the world. Or there will be genocide. Or U.S. disengagement will destroy our credibility, weaken our deterrence and embolden our foes. Or all of the above.

In fact, history suggests that the consequences of a U.S. defeat will not be that dire. First, the risk of a regional Shiite-Sunni war is modest. The region has endured many civil wars: Algeria, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, Yemen. While some have drawn in outsiders, none has led to war among those outsiders. Such meddlers tend to seek advantage in their neighbors’ civil wars, not to spread them, which is why they rely on proxies to do their fighting. You can already see that pattern at work in Iraq today: All of Iraq’s neighbors, especially Iran, are trying to protect their interests there, but all are also carefully calibrating their involvement.

The risk of a longer, bloodier Iraqi civil war is considerably higher. Sunni-Shiite-Kurdish killing and score-settling will probably intensify after U.S. forces leave. So fears of genocidal violence shouldn’t be dismissed, especially if the United States goes ahead with its current plans to arm Iraq’s largely Shiite army. But at this point, the three essential ingredients for genocide—heavy weapons, organization and broad communal consent—don’t exist. The present rough military balance between Sunnis and Shiites, both of whom have built formidable militias, reduces the likelihood of nationwide genocide; so does the fact that Sunnis have a haven available in western Iraq.

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It’s possible but unlikely that U.S. withdrawal would embolden some strategic adversary such as China to confront the United States years from now. But rivals are far more likely to act according to the raw-power conditions that prevail at the moment of confrontation than according to the ghosts of setbacks past.

A well-managed defeat would be more likely to boost U.S. credibility. Staying longer certainly won’t. As the historian Robert Dallek recently noted about Vietnam, “U.S. credibility was enhanced by ending a war that it could not win—a war that was costing the country vital resources that it could better use elsewhere.”

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:20 AM
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1. Declare "victory" then get the hell out...
As we're leaving, turn Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the Bushistas over to the insurgents as a partial attempt at reconciliation.

Then make it clear to Exxon, Conoco, and the rest that they'll have to buy the oil, like we already do with the Saudis...
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:23 AM
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2. I agree the kitchen is closed. Time to bring the troops home.
Maybe we can frame it as a win win. We save more lives by ending the war now. We stop wasting money and save it for more important infrastructural issues like health care, small business, ending poverty etc..... We can wrap it up in a win win. Just bring the troops home now.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:53 AM
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3. Amazing! Yesterday it was Center for American Progress Report to Get out of Iraq and now the
Council on Foreign Relations fires the second shot. I wonder if any other Think Tank will follow. There's Cato, AEI and Heritage...plus a whole bunch of smaller ones.

This is a good start, though. Admitting the FAILURE!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:57 AM
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4. "A well-managed defeat would be more likely to boost U.S. credibility."
pats self on back...smirks




"But the most crucial reason why the war is lost is that the American people decisively rejected continuing U.S. military involvement last November."

Oooh, Petraeus is loving that remark.



more smirking



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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:22 AM
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5. We cannot win. We can only determine the magnitude of our losses.
In lives, treasure, and reputation.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:35 AM
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6. the New Rome has been defeated, cue the helicopters
I just hate it when I can predict the future...I could see this coming a mile away... ideology can never trump reality. Just as Rome, we could not hold the ME... the supply lines are just too long.

Cue the helicopters...
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:36 AM
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7. Interesting anlaysis. If you listen to RWers about "needing to win", its about Bush saving face,
not saving lives
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:39 AM
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8. It was lost before the first boot hit the ground.
Get out now.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:39 AM
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9. I hate to be cyical but I am slowly beginning to believe
pure and simple--- The Republicans refuse to withdraw from
Iraq because they see this as losing. In their minds this
would be their Vietnam. In reality are they any better at
Foreign Affairs, War, than Democrats. They have made their
Reputation by smearing Liberalism and putting Democrats down
as WIMPS, Treasonous. So many people do not understand the
Republican Mindset. In their minds and hearts, they believe
Republicanism is the only correct way. How could things be
going so wrong for us--we are on the right side, we know all
the answers, our way is the only way.

Fear of Failure drives some people to do some dumb things.

Some of them must simply be incapable of Declaring Victory
and leaving. As far as I am concerned, they removed Saddam and
held elections. Any repairs of Infrastructure keep getting
blown up only to be done over. Stop while you are ahead.

Having to admit to oneself that you just might be wrong--when
you are absolutiest on your ideology--Painful.

This is not enough to warrant continuing to put our kids in
the meat grinder.

I will be more than furious if anyone tries to pass this off
on Gen. Petreus. We have a Commander in Chief and the
GOP who must stand up and be men for once.
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