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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:54 AM
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So it's 'roid rage' for the wrestler
Wonder how MSM would have spun this murder-suicide if it was a crack taking African American athlete. Look Chris Benoit killed his wife and son.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:59 AM
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1. I'm not getting your point. Does race play a role in this, that I'm not aware of?
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:59 AM
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2. Most of what I've read says the opposite.
That it wasn't roid rage because he killed them and himself over a 2 day period-not in a frenzied attack.
But I did catch a bit of Nancy Grace last night (what a hack) saying that WWE is glorifying Benoit when they did the exact opposite after they found out the cause of death. WWE made an announcement that his name will never be used on the show, etc ever again.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:06 PM
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3. ...Nancy "Grace"...
...an ill-named person if ever there was one...

:puke:
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:09 PM
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5. Actually
They did a tribute to him on Monday night, before they found out the rest of the story. So, their reversal is a little late. They should have waited until the police released the official report, before praising the man.

I don't like Grace myself, but what she said was the truth!
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:12 PM
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7. I took issue with it
because she said they were glorifying him AFTER they made the retraction.
I agree, they should have waited to find out the cause of death before wasting 2-3 hours on him, but I hate that she couldn't be bothered to check the timeline before saying what she did.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:08 PM
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4. Funny you mention it...
because the other Media won't.

Benoit was a Canadian and so the coverage in Canada of the usual 'local boy makes good' seems remarkably resilient. They still want to lionize a guy who reached the heights of success in basically a circus act.

Now what I have heard is that this animal strangled his wife and then his child and then placed a Bible next to their bodies and thankfully killed his miserable horrible fucked up self so good Rassilin' fans in Georgia don't have to do it.

Maybe 'roids did fuck him up -- but it might also be a distraction from the Bible thang (assuming it's true) and a way of re-discussing that awful Druggy Barry Bonds and how he's stealing the legacy of Drunken Babe Ruth.

Keep an eye out for media thought pieces and how they contrast with when Kurt Cobain killed himself and some of the crummy things said about him and his fans. Or even the Columbine shootings and how the Media focussed on some connection with Marilyn Manson and his fans and downplayed the 'white power' aspect of those two little monsters and those fans.



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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:01 PM
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30. Nice post
You get it.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:10 PM
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6. and they completely miss paranoia, depression...
and other symptoms of long term steroid abuse. There is no way to know if steroid abuse played a factor at all until they get the toxicology results. 'Roid rage' is what steroid abuse is most known for.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:14 PM
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10. I long suspected Chris might have started steroids
He was always a suprisingly smaller wrestler when my wife and I used to watch, but that was his style and schtick. Fast and acrobatic. We caught a show with him years later and both our jaws dropped. Yes he could have bulked up natural ways but we all know Vince MM's record on that. Chris probably put on 80 pounds of body mass in a year or so. Wish I had pics to corroborate.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:22 PM
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13. Vince likes big boys for his main events...
and the pressure to bulk up has got to be tremendous for anyone who wants to make it. I was reading a commentary today about that April 2007 drug test that Benoit supposedly passed. The writer said that most of the wrestlers knew that test was coming and knew ways to beat it. If the toxicology reports come back with levels of anabolic steroids in them then the WWE is going to really feel the pressure.

I remember seeing Eddie Guerrero making an appearance on WWE and we were shocked at how much he had bulked up from before.

The pics are out there. I've seen a few from his Calgary days and the difference is obvious.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:24 PM
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15. "Beyond the mat" i think the movie is called
is a pretty good documentary on the business. It needs to be stopped or at least brought back to the days when it was more scripted, athletic fun and skill and not these absurd, dangerous storylines.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:29 PM
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19. Oh, yeah...I watched that...
That movie really brought a lot of the reality of the industry to light. I remember watching Jim Ross telling a guy to bulk up and my first thought was steroids.

I loved the days of Roddy Piper and Nature Boy back in the 70's. I enjoyed watching. Now, it's all about physiques and death defying stunts.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:35 PM
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21. It's too sad. Benoit had more wrestling talent than Scott Steiner, IMO. NT
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:35 PM
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22. I thought it was obvious.
There's no way you can look like that at 40 with out taking something. Most if not all of those guys and probably women too are using them. That's why I don't watch wrestling anymore. They have gone to all these pumped up characters with bulging veins and mussels on top of mussels.

What ever happened to the personalties like George the Animal Steel, Sargent Slaughter, Nikolai Volkov, the Honky Tonk Man or the Iron Sheik? I loved wrestling when you use to be able to laugh at it.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:42 PM
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24. Over a few years
I watch WWE semi-regularly and always liked Benoit's "characters" but he definatly put on some size. It wasn't over a shoter term period, but if you look at his matches in the early 2000's and now, there's a noticable size difference. He had major neck surgery in (I think) 2002 or 2003 and that side-lined him for a year. I'm wondering if he started using when he was rehabbing from surgery to try and get his strength back.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:14 PM
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8. History of domestic violence
His wife file filed divorce papers in 2003 citing domestic violence. I guess, like so many other couples with dv, they "reconciled." :-(

My point is, while steriods might have played a part, they had long-standing problems.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:08 PM
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31. Rational people know this
I mean he carefully killed on on Friday one on Saturday and then himself on Sunday while furiously sending messages. He's just another cold blooded murderer in my books, but the WWE have their own agenda here.

Most sport sucks today - drugs and money.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:14 PM
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9. I hadn't heard much about this, but then, again, I've not been paying much attention.
I know that I used to pooh-pooh "'roid rage" and figured it was just a way to excuse an extreme anti-social personality.
In the process of trying to reduce the inflammation and pain from severe arthritic conditions, I have had to take up to sixty milligrams of prednisone-steroids-per day.

After about three or four days above thirty milligrams, I am an emotional wreck, crying over absolutely stupid things and having to talk myself down off the ceiling and keep unreasoning anger in check.

As I am normally a very steady, even tempered and polite sort of person, the changes that manifest with even this limited amount of steroids has taught me that a "know it all" attitude would not serve me well.

It's really nuts and, from my own experience, any sort of bizarre behavior, not necessarily in character, is very possible and should be allowed for. These guys are really playing with fire.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:14 PM
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11. I'm not sure if steroid abuse is a nicer cause than the crack of your hypothetical.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:16 PM
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12. Crack just makes you kill for your fix
Usually not wipe out your own family. Someone else's sometimes yeah but which is the greater evil? Not my job to decide.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:22 PM
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14. Nothing is to blame for this except Chris Benoit himself.
The roids (if he took them) didn't do this. The business didn't do this. Getting a couple concussions didn't do this. Chris Benoit did this. Even if the toxicology report comes back positive for roids, crack, coke, meth, or freakin thorazine - blaming this on the drugs is an insult to Benoits victims. Benoit was not a "nice man" who was the victim of his employer, he was a damn murderer. Cold, calculated, deliberate murderer and appearantly abused his family for years before he killed them.

I have no idea what Nancy Grace has to do with this but I have so little respect for her that I could care less what dribble spewed from her pie hole.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:26 PM
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17. I agree in part Rosemary
of course the final blame lies with him. The factors that drive someone to that can be myriad. Biological and environmental. No excuse but it bears investigating the path that may have led to any tragedy.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:30 PM
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20. Well said n/t
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:37 PM
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23. IMHO there are 2 completely seperate issues to consider.
#1 - Benoit's crime. IMHO no matter what else, Benoit chose what went in his body. Benoit chose his employer, Benoit chose to kill. Period.

#2 - Is there any way for Vince to adjust the way they do business to cut down on the maiming and deaths. I'm not just talking about roids here. I'm talking about interventions on people who stay on the road 250 days a year until they end up on drugs or alcohol to cope. I'm talking about encouraging wrestlers to seek medical attention and take time off if needed for injuries rather than destroy their bodies.

Vince has made quite a lot of changes over the last few years. RVD was busted with weed - they won't be renewing his contract. Mysterio had some knee problems and Vince forced him to go home and get it dealt with. Big Show was letting himself get too beated up and Vince pushed him to either take a long time off or retire. Vince has also pushed them to stop the high risk moves and stick to a more mat based style - which cuts down on injuries.

That said, the business is still brutal on these people. --- but quite honestly I would guess Football is even worse. In wrestling they at least TRY to protect each other and give each other a longer career. In football, it's not uncommon to see guys completely disabled after only 3 or 4 years in the pros.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:42 PM
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25. If Vince is making these gestures good for him I guess
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 12:43 PM by shadowknows69
but he is the puppetmaster and the industry has become the dangerous enviornment it is because of the push to do things more extreme. He has what amounts to athletic actors, and I take nothing away from some of these guy's abilities, doing stuff that only trained, union holywood stuntmen should be attempting. Owen Hart died because at the time everyone was flying around the rafters on bungi chords and he was no spring chicken at the time.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:45 PM
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26. No doubt about it.
Vince has blood on his hands. But IMHO not Nancy, Daniel and Chris.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:48 PM
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27. Not ultimately no
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 12:48 PM by shadowknows69
But I'm a strong believer in karma. Vince's little "fake my own death" thing was some bad fucking mojo.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:12 PM
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28. I'm sorry but where in the world is THAT coming from?
Granted it completely sucked as a storyline but come on. What you said is like saying John Ritter's sudden death was the networks fault for bad karma because they show violence on TV. I'm sorry but I don't relate to that AT ALL.

But yeah, the story line was idiotic from the start -- the ONLY good thing I can say about it is the work it took to put that limo explosion scene together for live TV was an incredible bit of high quality graphics work and the guys in the booth doing it should get big fat raises for their talent.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:25 PM
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16. Blame it on the steroids. I don't buy it.
This guy is responsible for a brutal crime.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:28 PM
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18. Was wondering when this would come out.
WWE and its clones are a bastion of steroid and other drug enhanced athletics. Well, wrestling and pro cycling.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:59 PM
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29. Now it looks like MSM is more interested
in protecting the WWE's 'roid racket than condemning the murderer.

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