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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:36 PM
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Genarlow Wilson Denied Bond. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!?!
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 05:40 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6719340&nav=0qq6

For those who don't know, Genarlow Wilson is the teen who was sentenced to 10 years in prison for having consensual oral sex with a 15 year old when he was 17 years old.

After "winning" the battle to be released (Two years later), and after the state attorney general appealed, just now, it is breaking that he has been denied bond and will remain in jail.

For having oral sex.

WHAT IN THE BLOODY HELL IS GOING ON HERE?

I wonder if the people of Georgia are embarrassed. This is disgusting. :puke:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:41 PM
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1. fundies have a thing about oral sex, maybe?
:shrug:

it's insanity is what it is.

there are actual crimes in GA, and actual criminals that need to go to jail, i'm guessing... maybe they just have lots and lots of extra jail space, so they're putting anyone they can in there?

i dunno... it's baffling.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:48 PM
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15. I have a theory about that.
Wingnut women all have big mouths, so their men must find alternate, um, "orifixes" (preferably those of adolescent boys) to stick their wangs in so that they can achieve sexual gratification.


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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:43 PM
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2. Yes, it is disgusting
It's outrageous. I guess Mr. Wilson's sin was not being a young, blond white woman. The authorities are being vindictive and spiteful. This is not justice.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:45 PM
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3. Whitney Tilson to the rescue...
http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3316592&page=1

Free Genarlow Wilson: the $1 Million Man Speaks to ABC
Although His Conviction Was Tossed, Wilson Remains in Jail
By MARY KATE BURKE, ABC News Law and Justice Unit

June 26, 2007 —

Genarlow Wilson, a 21-year-old man from Georgia, still sits in jail today despite the fact that earlier this month a judge declared his 10-year felony sentence a "grave miscarriage of justice" and ordered him freed.

Wilson has already served two years of his sentence for receiving consensual oral sex from a 15-year-old girl when he was 17.

A bond hearing is set for July 5, but Wilson's attorney B.J. Bernstein argues on a Web site she set up for Wilson that the hearing would be unnecessary if Douglas County District Attorney David McCade would agree to set bail. Bernstein argues there is no reason why Wilson can not be freed while Georgia Attorney General Thurbet Baker appeals the decision.

The Price for Freedom? $1 Million

On Monday New York City investment manager Whitney Tilson announced that he and 10 other business managers would immediately wire a $1 million cash bond for Wilson's release.

Tilson, also a founder of Teach for America, a highly selective program that places college graduates into severely underprivileged schools, told ABC News that although he at first did not want to go public with his bond offer, he realized that $1 million could help to draw more attention to Wilson's case. Tilson said he hopes to take some small part in righting what he also calls a "miscarriage of justice."

"When I first heard about the case in a New York Times editorial, I Googled Genarlow Wilson and came across wilsonappeal.com," Tilson said. "So I contacted Wilson's attorney to see if there was anything I could do&I didn't think I would hear from her but I got a phone call last Thursday and she said that a million dollar cash bond could help."
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:27 AM
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24. It figures it's Douglas County - I lived in Douglasville for 9 years...
That's one messed up place. They have an area that's called the Honey Hole, which is projects and 90% of the crack sales go on there, yet the police are afraid to go in there. This isn't some big city "inner city" area like Overtown, Liberty City or Compton either. It's ONE project, with about 10 buildings, each building holding 6 to 12 apartments.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:49 PM
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4. by the way, the story I linked to in the reply abv, says there is a bond hearing 7/6
and your story seems to indicate that the hearing was today?

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:51 PM
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16. the bond hearing has been cancelled
"As the court has no authority to grant an appeal bond in this case, there is no need for an evidentiary hearing on the defendant's eligibility for a bond," Emerson wrote in his three-page order. "The motion for bond is dismissed. The hearing scheduled for July 5, 2007, is therefore cancelled."

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2007/06/27/0627metwilson.html
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:51 PM
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5. Christianity has gone Taliban in 'muricuh
:banghead:
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:56 PM
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6. I think that some people believe a 15 year old girl is incapable of consent...
that she is too young to make these decisions and should not be asked to participate in sexual activities with older guys. Normally this isn't prosecuted if they are both under 16, just when the boy is older. I think that is the law in most places...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:11 PM
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7. Then they need to sit down and have a conversation with one. Some of
these girls know more than I do now.

And I've been a'learning for quite some time now...
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:25 PM
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20. they may know more about mechanics but at 15 they most likely don't have much
of a sex drive yet, they usually don't have orgasms this way, and they probably are not getting much gratification from giving blow jobs. I wonder why this 15 year old girl blew this 17 year boy? I wonder if she knows why she did it? I wonder how she feels now? I wonder how 13 year old girls feel about giving blow jobs? Of course, boys will be boys and have to be defended since they can't control their urges, like picking on someone their own age.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:40 AM
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23. self-delete nt
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 03:45 AM by lostnfound
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 09:29 AM
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30. I don't know you
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 09:31 AM by buddyhollysghost
and I don't know if you are female, but as a female I will state that I did have a sex drive at 15 and that females AND males living in oversexed/underfulfilled Georgia - Home of the Strip Club on Every Corner (If There's Not a Baptist Church There Already) are inundated with sexual messages constantly.

There is nothing rare or new or shocking in kids this age having sex, and it has happened for thousands of years and it will happen for thousands of years to come, in nice McMansions and in vans down by the river.

What is rare and shocking is how adults view these kids - demonizing them out of their own shame about their own bodies. It's ridiculous and sad in 2007 to hear grown people talk like 1689 Puritans.

Shit, most of the men I knew while living in Georgia conducted much business in the strip clubs.

You can almost bet that the legislators - those Godly men leading Georgia to the Rapture as fast as they can manage - those men who allowed this young man's life to be destroyed are sitting at the stage as we type, stuffing those dollar bills in G-strings and having a good old time.

While the kid rots in prison....
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 11:46 AM
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35. I am a child and adolescent psychiatrist (board certified and experienced) and
I deal with the consequences of girls who have been devastated by these "romances". A girl's sex drive peaks at 35 years of age, a boy's at 17 years. A young teenage girl wants to be appreciated and admired by guys, want to be viewed as attractive and sexy, wants other girls to think she is attractive and sexy, wants to fit into the crowd. She does not have a driving urge to give blow jobs. Show me the literature that proves your point and I will certainly reconsider all I have learned over the years, both from my teachers, the books, and the kids themselves. I think the girls need some protection from guys who think any girl of any age saying "yes" is true consent.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 09:36 PM
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45. Well for all your credentials and training


you certainly use the words "blow job" a lot.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I don't condone anyone manipulating anyone into sexual activity, and I believe that teenagers should refrain from sex until they are emotionally mature enough to handle that part of their lives and able to take responsibility.

That being said, i certainly am not "shocked" that a 15-yr-old has a sex drive, and I don't care what Freud or whoever taught you says, human beings "peak" at different times according to the individual and many other physical and mental factors. To deny that teens marry and have sex all over the planet is simply immature, no matter how many certificates one has hanging on the wall.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:50 AM
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46. I guess you told me...and I gather you don't have young teenage girls to
worry about. Those of us with both sons and daughters, as well as young patients, want the best for them, and that includes older kids leaving them alone until they are mature enough to handle things. The purpose of the laws is to set society's standard on this point. If the law isn't followed, it means some of us just don't care very much. That will never include me.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:21 AM
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47. Actually of my five grown biological children
ranging in age from 18 to 28, we have had zero STDs or pregnancies, and my sons would all pretty much dismantle any guy who would harm a female. I have been told many stories by people I meet of my sons protecting their female friends from abusive males. I raised them that way.

My youngest, at thirteen, is still into video games and Naruto and his new puppy.

I also have many kids who call me their second mom, both males and females. i have counseled them and taken them to the clinic and been a shoulder to cry on. Girls manipulate boys too. hate to break it to you.

While I do not know the specifics in this particular case, i am not going to demonize this young man for his stupid irresponsible actions. About an hour north of Atlanta lives a young man i know (white) who, several years ago, got his 15-yr old girlfriend pregnant. he was 17.

They are both parents, both free, not in prison.

which is worse for a 15 year old? A blow job or pregnancy and birth?

i might not like the activity which landed the young man in jail but I am not going to expect to destroy his life by letting him rot in prison.

I care about both male and female young people



excuse the typing I should be doing chores....
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:13 PM
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8. He's being used as a political football. The poor kid's life is already ruined, just let him out
already.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:14 PM
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9. Isnt Wilson black and the 15 yr old girl white?
If this is from the story I watched on 60 minutes a year or so ago.
And if the boy was white?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:17 PM
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10. No, that was a different case. The Dixon case I believe.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:35 AM
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26. The girl in this case is black.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:23 PM
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11. Its a little more complicated that described in the OP, but Wilson is getting a raw deal

Even though Wilson made some bad decisions to have sex with a drunk girl of age and oral sex with a girl below the age of consent and then provide evidence of his actions with a videotape, I wish he'd be released and not put on a sex offender registry.

The current law would have only required up to a year in prison and no registry for his guilty conviction.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:29 PM
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12. Then the current law is also asinine
This is absolutely beyond ridiculous. Teenagers have sex. He was 17 at the time, she was 15 at the time. They shouldn't have to serve any jail time at all, and they shouldn't have to be charged with any crime at all, because there is no crime here.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:32 PM
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14. Maybe, but everyone draws a line somewhere

Age of consent is 16 in GA like most states. Parents want to be able to tell (with the force of law) older teens and adults not to have sex with their 13, 14, and 15 year olds even if their kids want to have sex. Under the age of 13, child molestation charges kick in.





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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:53 PM
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18. Such laws are the height of stupidity
There is no law that will ever be passed that can stop 17 year olds from engaging in sexual activity with other teenagers in that age range. Furthermore, to claim that these teenagers ought to be put through the criminal justice system for engaging in normal human behavior is even more ridiculous.

There is a difference between a 30 year old man raping a 13 year old girl and a 17 year old adolescent having consensual sexual activity with a 13 year old.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:56 AM
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29. So the girl was drunk and he videotaped it
He's a scum. Whether he deserves 10 years is another matter, but he's a piece of crap.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:44 AM
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33. Scum? Piece of crap?
He was a 17 year old kid.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 01:20 PM
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36. Genarlow definately made some bad decisions.

Its not difficult to not have sex with drunk girls even if they are of age.

Its not difficult to not stick ones dick into the mouth of an underage girl even if she is underage by only one year.

Videotaping what was argued to be a rape (sex with drunk girl) and found to be aggravated sodomy (oral sex with an underage girl), not so bright either.

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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:30 PM
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13. This story really really bothers me.
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ClassWarfare2008 Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:52 PM
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17. Considering the circumstances of the case, isn't it ironic that his attorney
is named "B.J."??

Hey, someone had to go there..... :evilgrin:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:19 PM
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19. Part of the problem is the states Attorney General
Thurbert Baker is a piss poor AG.
Heres what the Atlanta Journal Constitution has to say about him.
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2007/06/26/edbaker0626.html

Georgians will never confuse Thurbert Baker with New York's Eliot Spitzer.


I would bet that more Georgians have heard of Spitzer than Baker.



All too often, Baker has been reluctant to rock the boat when a good shaking is needed. The Genarlow Wilson case serves as a example. Rather than use his office to help correct a sentencing mistake that even the General Assembly recognized, Baker has stood by an extraordinarily harsh law under which Wilson was sent to prison for 10 years and marked as a sex offender.


"No duels, no scars" works wonders to preserve one's hide. But Baker's apparent operating philosophy falls short of what citizens should expect of a public servant.


I think he is afraid of the howls from the rednecks if he frees a black kid who dared have sex with a young girl.


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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 12:34 AM
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21. Link to the "Open letter" from Thurbert Baker....Attorney General
who is trying to justify his actions. I suppose mandatory sentences are for law enforcement officials who don't know how to reason. Like a paint by numbers painting.


404 656 3300


http://www.state.ga.us/ago/pdfs/TEB_Letter_for_Website.pdf
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 12:39 AM
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22. The girl was 17 and the boys were 15 according to Baker's "open letter"
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Progressive_In_NC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:55 AM
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34. He was accused of Rape of a 17 year old girl and molestation on the 15 year old
From Wikipedia below.



The conviction was based on an amateur video tape showing Wilson engaging in sex with a 17-year-old girl during a private party, and later receiving oral sex from from a 15-year-old girl.<3><4> The video shows the 17-year-old girl on the bathroom floor, then later having sex with Wilson. She appeared sleepy or intoxicated during the sex act but did not ask Wilson to stop. <5> Waking up naked and in a stupor the next morning, she claimed to have been raped.<4> Investigating the alleged rape, police later found condoms and evidence of drinking, as well as the video camera, in the motel room used for the party.<5>

A jury acquitted Wilson of raping the older girl, but convicted him of aggravated child molestation against the 15-year-old. The "aggravated" nature of the charge refers to fellatio (oral sex) rather than a mere "immoral or indecent act." Had Wilson had intercourse with the 15-year-old and not received oral sex from her, he would have been subject to up to 12-month penalty (statutory rape), with no sex offender status, instead of the 10-year minimum term that the judge gave him. (Official Code of Georgia Annotated § 16-6-3 and 16-6-4)


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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:57 AM
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25. Yes, as a Georgian, I am definitely embarrassed
and totally pissed off about it. In my opinion, the attorney general is an idiot.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:47 AM
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27. I think the problem is that the judge's ruling was wrong.
The law changed after his conviction. The law was not made retroactive by the legislature, so he cannot undo what the jury did because of the change in law.

The legislature can. The Governor can with a pardon. But, the judge cannot. The judge must follow the law as it is.

Didn't the guy pass up an offer that would have had him out of prison by now? I do not know the facts of the case, but I was under the impression that the girl was so drunk and that he used that vulnerability for his own sexual gratification. Too drunk and too young to consent.


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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 01:35 PM
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38. You may be right, the AG might have to challenge the decision regardless of his position on Wilson


Wilson did pass on a 5 year + registry deal that his friends took and they are now out and on the registry. He gambled with the trial. Apparently, it was the registry that bothered him the most.

Your impression of the facts of the case are blending things together. There were two girls -- one was 17 and drunk and the other was 15 and sober. Wilson and friends had intercourse with the 17 year old who was so drunk people described her as sleepy on the video, but the jury in its wisdom found that she was not drunk enough that her consent was not valid. She (the 17 yr old) is the one who initiated the criminal process by waking up the next morning and going to the police. When the police found the tape, they added in the aggravated sodomy charge.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:38 PM
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40. I dont' think the GA Gov can pardon.
I believe that is the legislature and they refused to do so. I believe the goal is to bring so much national exposure to the case that it forces the legislature to act in the next session, or better, forces Gov Purdue to bring them back into special session to do it.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:51 AM
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28. Welcome to the Ancient Order of the Confederacy
Just in case you try to convince yourself that the South is just like all the other states in the 21st Century.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 09:36 AM
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31. I see racism is still alive and well...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 01:31 PM
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37. Help me understand why this is racism.
Wilson & his girlfriend are both black. The DA is black. The Ga. AG is black. The Chairman of the State Board of Pardons & Paroles is black.

I understand the Gov. is white, and I did write to him asking his to contact his DA and tell him to back off, but as usual, his response answered a different question than the one I asked!

I honestly don't know what's behind this stupid move by the DA, but I doubt it's racism. It looks more to me like ego and arrogance on the DA's part. He got the conviction in this case 2 years ago,k and he looks at Wilson getting out of jail as a personal loss!
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:46 PM
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41. The Douglas Co DA holds most the keys. Not the State AG.
Georgia law limits what the state AG, State pardons and Gov can do. Nearly all the power rested with the Douglas County DA in whether or not to prosecute this case in the first place. This is a proven racist DA in a highly racist county. You are correct on the Douglas County DA's personal ego, but choosing to prosecute in the first place was ENTIRELY about racism. I personally and professionally know David McDade. In public he has the good sense to at least TRY to keep a lid on it, but the man is just short of being KKK in his actual beliefs. His record of getting blacks off the streets and in jails is what keeps him in office -- meaning the people of Douglas County WANT this kind of cretin in office.

This case is ENTIRELY about racism.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:44 PM
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44. Well, yes it was his discretion, but he did have a 17 women who said she was too drunk to consent


...and there was a videotape showing that she was drunk, albeit not drunk enough for the jury to convict on rape.

The aggravated sodomy of the underage girl wouldn't have even been an issue if it wasn't on the same video tape.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:35 AM
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32. Yes, the people of Georgia are embarrassed.
I'm ready to move. This state gets more backwards everyday.
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:32 PM
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39. has anyone here donated to the website
http://www.wilsonappeal.com/index.php ? I'd like to, but I'd like to hear from somebody that it's legitimate. Does anyone here know anything about it?
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:50 PM
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42. Call the law firm to verify.
I can only tell you the phone numbers listed for the lawyer are accurate and that IS Wilson's attorney. You could call them to see if the website is legit.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:53 PM
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43. 17 years old. This is horrible.
:mad:
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