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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:34 PM
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6yrs later, likely someone in the WH has been secreting evidence for use at a time like this....
The WaPo 4 part piece on Cheney did not just appear out of thin air.

It is safe to assume that people at the top decided some time ago on who would likely be wearing the 'scapegoat' costumes, and it surely was not going to be them.

WH employees and/or Administration staff must have observed the wrongdoing going on below the surface of public visibility and realized they might have it pinned on them later to protect the top line players.

When fighting breaks out behind closed doors at the White House you can expect people will dig into their secret files to defend themselves. It has been obvious that Rove and Cheney were at odds, and we know that Rove likely threw Cheney and Libby under the bus to save his own sorry behind in the Plame investigation.

Look at the staff that has left the WHite House, and imagine what it must be like to be a fly on the wall when all this is going down. Expect the leaks to get larger and more frequent from those who require anonymity.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:38 PM
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1. Yea...Rove will try to save his own ass....by squeeling on
Cheney....Cheney will not go down withought a fight.....

I think this is the fight he has been waiting for since the Nixon years.....they will destroy each other.....
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:49 PM
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4. Torture is worse than corrupt politicking.
Nixon did the corrupt politicking, but he to our knowledge didn't torture anyone. (Maybe I just don't remember something I should.)

I'm interested in the war criminals first and the corrupt politickers second.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:43 PM
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2. There is alot more to this story... it's stunning that Christine Whitman
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 08:45 PM by Olney Blue
sang like a canary in the WaPo article.

Oh yes, it was Rove vs Libby and look who paid....I'm certain that Cheney detests Rove and vice versa.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:50 PM
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5. Whitman saw a lot more corruption than she has admitted to so far...
IMHO she picked an issue to fall back on as justification for taking her leave.

Whitman may just be one of the individuals who knows more about Cheney's illegal conduct than any other Administration official.

No one asked her about what she knew about the Energy meeting Cheney convened in secret, but I bet she knows all about it. There must be hundreds of other matters she knows about.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:00 PM
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10. She was critical of religious fundamentalists in the GOP in her book...



Why didn't she tell the truth when she left- instead of saying "spend time with family" why didn't she nail these criminals?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:04 PM
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11. Why? Because she has a family and she knows how ruthless they are....
The whole pro-business/anti-environment position of the Cheney led WHite House is tied directly to massive corruption.

Look at what happened to the Repub lawyer in ALA who signed an affidavit that Rove was mentioned as heading up the DOJ investigation of the sitting Dem Gov Siegelman. When the affidavit became known, her house was burned to the ground and her car totalled.

WHitman probably knows enough to get worse treatment than that.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:24 AM
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16. The old "knows where the bodies are buried syndrome"
you are right....
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:21 PM
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13. Interesting details from Christie Whitman:
From the WP, Cheney, Part IV:


.....

And in April, the Supreme Court rejected two other policies closely associated with Cheney. It rebuffed the effort, ongoing since Whitman's resignation, to loosen some rules under the Clean Air Act. The court also rebuked the administration for not regulating greenhouse gases associated with global warming, issuing its ruling less than two months after Cheney declared that "conflicting viewpoints" remain about the extent of the human contribution to the problem.

In the latter case, Cheney made his environmental views clear in public. But with some notable exceptions, he generally has preferred to operate with stealth, aided by loyalists who owe him for their careers.

.....

Cheney had a clear mandate from the president on all things energy-related, she said, and while she could take her case directly to Bush, "you leave and the vice president's still there. So together, they would then shape policy."

What happened next was "a perfect example" of that, she said.

The EPA sent rule revisions to White House officials. The read-back was that they weren't happy and "wanted something that would be more pro-industry," she said.

The end result, which she said was written at the direction of the White House and announced in August 2003, vastly broadened the definition of routine maintenance. It allowed some of the nation's dirtiest plants to make major modifications without installing costly new pollution controls.

By that time, Whitman had already announced her resignation, saying she wanted to spend more time with her family. But the real reason, she said, was the new rule.

"I just couldn't sign it," she said. "The president has a right to have an administrator who could defend it, and I just couldn't."

A federal appeals court has since found that the rule change violated the Clean Air Act. In their ruling, the judges said that the administration had redefined the law in a way that could be valid "only in a Humpty-Dumpty world."



Parts I, II, III on Cheney.

It has never been clearer that this man is a grave threat to our national security.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:47 PM
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3. There are people in public service who actually serve the public
The high and the mighty are duking it out (Rove/Cheney) but there just might be some bright and patriotic observers in low places.

Would guess there are some truly honorable people in the ranks of the CIA and other agencies too. There has been a chess game going on and it is getting intense.

Yeah, it is very likely someone has been spying on those who have been spying illegally on Americans. There are heroes everywhere. A class of people who have such total disregard for the common citizen would not notice the clever set of ears among the typist or the bright janitor putting it all together. The arrogant chaps in the junta have probably missed a lot of heroes in their midst.



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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:55 PM
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7. The career officials at the CIA have every reason to sink this bunch of traitors....
... and if anyone knows how to play the double-agent game, it is them.

The public release of the "Family Jewels" is going to rock the nation. Count on it. And Dick Cheney is going to be mentioned, or redacted in such a way that people will identify him.

It is clear that Cheney forced the CIA to take the fall for bad intel on the WMD issue, when it was Cheney who cherry-picked the intel and bypassed the CIA analysts to get what he wanted to support the attack on Iraq.

Of all the groups to screw with, the CIA is not one of them.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:32 PM
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14. Good Name For The Book & Movie When This All Comes Out....
"Hero's In Their Midst"
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 09:42 AM
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18. Another good title: Patriots ACT!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:40 AM
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17. Is there a Johm Dean in this administration? I'm betting on it but
this one has to tread exteremely carefully...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:50 PM
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6. I Think the WaPo Has Been Sitting On This Stuff for 6 Years, Myself
There isn't anyone left in the Bush Administration except Gonzo and Kkkarl and Condi. The appointees can run, but they can't hide. Not even the Supremes will be spared. It's not a threat, it's a promise!
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:59 PM
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9. I don't think so... if the WaPo had this earlier it would have leaked out before now...
Those still employeed on the 'inside' are in a position to monitor what is going on and to throw WH officials off the scent of what is known and what remains unknown to Congress and the public.

Somebody 'inside' has either had a conscience all along, or they hit their limit of what they observe and not speak out.

The problem all along has been a corrupt DOJ, and therefore an impotent means of bringing the criminals to the bar.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:06 PM
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12. It Leaked Out---You Heard All This Stuff Here
But not in the MSM journals of record.

It's like Judith Miller. Sit on it until it hatches.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:57 PM
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8. I'm waiting for a flood over here, but all I see is a fucking drought forecast.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:09 PM
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15. Clear and Present Danger.
1998, Paraphrasing here...

President: You got a chip in the game now, and you will pull that chip and use it when you need it.



Let's see who refuses to dance.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:28 PM
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19. Now that Bush is a 'dead duck' president, it is time for insiders to pull out the sharp knives....
Bush will be gone in less than 1.5 years, one way or another. Those who hope to remain in Washington know that there is no other option to accomplish that goal than to 'distance' themselves from Bush and begin now 'rewriting history' and their role in it.

There will not be another major piece of legislation coming out of the last 1.5 years of his tenure, and therefore there is very little for Repubs in Congress to fear from 'breaking with' Bush on the Iraq War and other matters.

The only way to change uniforms and sides at this late date is to use 'inside information' against Bush to try and portray themselves to their constituents as having been on the side of right all along.

The question is Can Bush, Rove, Cheney and Gonzo 'hold down the fort' until the end of Bush's term?
They don't have a chance of sending anyone before the Senate for confirmation who can be successful and/or be faced with extremely tough questions they would rather not be asked.

Things will really go down hill for BushCo from here on out.

Who will be the next Repub to turn on Bush?
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