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That ought to be good.

Wonder if they will be able to deal with it.

If they don't have a Republican only policy, they might get a totally different response. It will be rather funny to watch them refute their statements from the earlier 2 debates.

I'm sure tonight's audience wouldn't be especially welcoming to the likes of Mitt 'Tar Baby' Romney.

for the Republican debate. THAT would make those assholes rather uncomfortable, wouldn't it? :evilgrin:

All those pasty white guys who are only comfortable with "their own", standing in front of a mostly African-American crowd.

They'll be sweatin' but good! :rofl:

:D

That audience sure KNEW the issues!!

I almost didn't want to watch because like the earlier debates, there were just too many people onstage. But this actually worked!

:headbang:
rocknation

C'mon Mike...everyone one of our candidates have the moral capacity for this job. You should have slammed the other guys.

give it a shot.

MKJ

last question - richardson cut off after 20 secs, Edwards cut off after 20 secs, Dennis after 15, Obama after.....43 seconds.

also, Smiley interrupting Obama with: I love you but we have to move on.

Smiley interrupting Richardson: Richardson - "I'm done", Smiley "Yes you are"

just an unfair tone, I thought, favoring Obama the most, and HRC the next most. My opinion, anyway.


all in all much better though.

"I love you mans" aside. :eyes:

those before and after cut short, he left to go long.

not a big big deal, but what the hell, I noticed it (as an edwards supporter, it's my job)

Point taken. ;) :hi:

recent historical trends. :-) MKJ

Nothing is perfect. This was much better than MSNBC and CNN, hands down. MKJ

a good model for the primping network news readers.

could it be better? Of course. Wolfie's debate had the absolute worst time allocation
he talked more than the candidates and so did Chris matthews.

:shrug: :yoiks:

...from where I sit:

Dodd -- didn't stand out
Kucinich -- did well and connected with the audience
Obama -- did well but not enough to gain momentum
Clinton -- solid, with a couple of standout moments with the audience
Gravel -- critiqued his colleagues; a little bit sound-bitey and message a bit muddled BUT tackled the drug war head-on (!!!)
Biden -- didn't stand out enough
Edwards -- like Obama, did well but did not gain momentum
Richardson -- continues to put forth good, creative ideas and gained some momentum IMO

All in all I thought it was a high caliber field and overall I liked the questions and most of the answers -- as I said in another post, any one of them would be infinitely preferable to any of the Republic candidates.

but overall, especially on issues of race, Hillary Clinton truly understood the the questions and aced the responses. Especially on the first 3 or so questions, the other candidates gave canned responses that didn't even address the issue at hand. Hillary surprised me by getting to the heart of those issues and not avoiding them. I think the biggest example was the question about black high school graduates getting hired at appallingly lower rates than white high school dropouts. All of them started giving canned responses about early childhood education and parent involvement in inner city schools and hiring more teachers. It was embarrassing and actually somewhat insulting. Hillary addressed the racial disparity head on. And the audience awarded her for it. Ditto for the opening question about today's SCOTUS decision and whether racism exists still. She dug into the Brown v. Board question in depth. And the response that if AIDS affected white women there would be a cure already ... she had them rolling in the aisles.

Frankly, I'm surprised. She's not my candidate (I don't really have one), but on these issues, she gets it in ways that the others absolutely do not, and she is extremely good at communicating it. I have to call this one for Clinton, even if my inclination is not to want to. I continue to be impressed by her skills. I wish I could forgive her for you know what.

When they talked about outsourcing.
Where was she the first time around when some guy named Bill passed that stuff?

I loved Dennis' response: A Democratic president passed these, a Democratic president can repeal them!!! :bounce:

Kucinich was the only one to advocate for repeal of NAFTA.

these are two of Kucinich's very staunch plans from his run in '06. Here we are in oh eight and so many more jobs have been lost.

Kucinich is in fact the best of the lot - the only REAL Democrat running in this race IMO.

Hillary isn't going to repeal any of golden boy Bill's doings IMO. :grr:

:kick:

*Ditto* for my view of Dennis Kucinich kicking a** and taking names. :hi:

She is a major pragmatist and she wants to see things to better for everyone.

However, she has a bit of baggage. Yet, she has all the credentials.

And, I really liked this debate. The candidates needed more time. When the field thins, I hope Mr. Smiley moderates the more substantial debates. MKJ

and it raises her a lot in my eyes. I really really want to support a female candidate, but with the "you know what" and other issues - I am a bit leery. But it's good to know that she did well on the racism issues.

I can't believe that there was a question about racism still existing, though. How ignorant would you have to be to think that humans are free of prejudice now?

Hillary's take on the HIV a winner

:eyes:

Paris liked Hillary's pink necklace.