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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:01 AM
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If a Democrat becomes pres. will the repubs leave impeachment off the table?
Will the republicans say that it's just too expensive and harmful to the country to impeach a Democratic president for perceived high crimes and misdemeanors?

Our Democratic leaders are just so nice aren't they?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:06 AM
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1. rethugs are not concerned with keeping the powder dry
they will do it in a heartbeat, with the only criteria being that they think they can get away with it, IMO.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:11 AM
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4. They'll impeach you for jaywalking.
"Catch the falling flag", said hypocrite henry hyde regarding Clinton's trumped up impeachment for having an affair, which henry and all the rest did themselves.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 06:38 AM
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14. yep, exactly...
they weren't afraid to spend our time and money calling for endless independent inquiries and prattling on endlessly about dignity and the Rule of Law when Clinton was in office, but now it's all about "supporting the troops" and "respecting the office of pResident" and such. :grr:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:06 AM
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2. I, who remember LBJ and Mayors Daley and Rizzo, never thought I'd see the day when the Democratic
Edited on Sat Jun-30-07 05:08 AM by WinkyDink
Party was taken over by the Casper Milquetoasts of the "After You, Alphonse" Division.

It's time we got over the "Soccer Mom Can't We All Just Get Along" mentality, and became the vigorous, principled, and ANGRY RIGHTEOUS WARRIORS that really DO represent what America "is all about".

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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:08 AM
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3. Yeah but we dont' want to 'sink to their level'.
We're so above all that...
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:15 AM
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5. You mean that level of trying to win, as opposed to ceding the election by looking soft?
I hate it when we sink to that level.:sarcasm:
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 07:50 AM
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17. Soccer Moms? Seems to me many of the people who have spoken up or acted are women.
and most of the appeasers have been men.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:34 AM
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6. Of Course Not - But W Is Setting Some Precedents
that I think they will find hard to swallow should we ever gain control again.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:35 AM
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7. No D will ever get away with what they let w get away with.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:40 AM
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8. I Doubt One, Would Ever Have The Hubris To Try
and if they did, the shame would be on us for electing them. But Repukes can't know that as they think everyone operates off of greed.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 05:44 AM
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9. no - it will right in the middle of the table
complete with side dishes, place markers, linen napkins, and sparkling silverware
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 06:05 AM
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10. Republicans started impeaching Clinton as soon as they got control of Congress
It just took them until the end of 1998 to find what they thought was an excuse. The next Democratic president won't be treated any better if people are stupid enough to give the GOP the majority in Congress again.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 06:32 AM
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12. The Republicans impeached Clinton even though they knew there was no chance of conviction.
The "no chance of conviction" is an important distinction. With Nixon, the Watergate hearing started 2 1/2 years before he resigned and there was Republican support for impeachment and a likely conviction. Going after a lame duck president as the presidential campaign heats up might look like a political ploy to Americans by the Democrats and it certainly would be painted as such by the Republicans. To the camps which are solidly Democratic or Republican this will not make any difference, but the key to winning is to get those who will swing from one party to another. Before we get too noble and righteous about justice and impeachment let's face reality with the fact that getting reelected is important to most politicians.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 06:30 AM
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11. The Cheapening Of Impeachment
That's another DeLay legacy...one that perverted the "ultimate political act" and also makes it seem so simple and as some kinda cure-all.

Look back at the Clinton inquisition and honestly, what did it prove or do? Without a conviction it didn't toss him from office and the GOOP lost seats in the '98 elections. If anything, it backfired. It sure did for Gingrich. And in the process it made a debacle of the concept and process of Impeachment.

If there's an abuse of power that is beyond addressing in any other matter, that's when the Constitution calls for Impeachment AND conviction. But that doesn't address crimes that were committed and the underlings who committed them. It doesn't make the world change overnight.

If the Repugnicans lose badly next year, they won't be in the position to do squat. Until they regain a majority in the House (control of the Judiciary Committee), they can't do squat. Our job, keep them from ever regaining a majority. Problem solved.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 06:37 AM
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13. No, they will aggressively pursue it from Day One
Edited on Sat Jun-30-07 06:38 AM by tom_paine
Inventing scandals using The Mighty Wurlitzer, and fishing around. Then abusing their investigative authority until the tiniest misdemeanor or "felony" (such as perjuring in a way thousands of men do every day in divorce court with no jail time) is uncovered.

Then impeachment begins.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 06:50 AM
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15. No. It's the one thing they get right even though they abuse
the process.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 07:34 AM
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16. Someone should ask Obama this question
along with all the other "major" candidates.

Kucinich is worlds above them all.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 08:18 AM
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18. Something every Dem should think about!
Watch some debate in the House, look at how voting goes in the Senate, right of wrong, RePublics have unity. IMHO, the Clinton impeachment was both pay back for Nixon and an attempt to destroy "liberals or liberalism" forever. Unfortunately for them (NEOCONS) it was a bit premature, the ground work came up a bit short, they also miscalculated how using GWB as their stooge in the WH would turn out. Should the RePublics EVER regain control of the House and Senate again NOTHING, NOTHING will be off the table, if you think they expended much effort to turn things their way, you ain't seen nothing yet! I think they will literally investigate everyting and anything, they will impeach at the drop of the hat for real or made up reasons. This is an opinion, hope I would be wrong, but...:rant:
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