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Dracos Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:42 PM
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Iranian Nuclear Scientist 'Assassinated'
A prize-winning Iranian nuclear scientist has died in mysterious circumstances, according to Radio Farda, which is funded by the U.S. State Department and broadcasts to Iran.

An intelligence source suggested that Ardeshire Hassanpour, 44, a nuclear physicist, had been assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli security service.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250196,00.html
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:43 PM
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1. Polonium-210 poisoning????
n/t
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:44 PM
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2. Nah. Probably a 9-milimeter hemmorage.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:49 PM
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3. The Reports, Sir
Suggest radiation poisoning, possibly through exposure to gaseous uranium. There is not a single fact in evidence even suggestive of assassination.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:51 PM
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7. I didn't even read the link.
Someone should come up with a grain-of-salt emoticon for throwaway posts like mine above. ;)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:34 AM
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27. Convenient
no matter what way you lean (conspiracy or accident).
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:49 PM
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4. According to the OP he worked with UF6 and died of "gas poisoning"
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 03:53 PM by jpak
UF6 is pretty nasty stuff - corrosive and toxic.

Maybe there was an "accident" at *Isfahan* that they are trying to cover up???

edit: Isfahan - not Natanz - my bad...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:56 PM
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10. That Is The Most Likely Explaination, Sir
A species of workplace accident. The gaseous form of uranium is the medium through which it is sorted to enriched form, and the stuff is fiendishly difficult to work with. Expansion of pilot projects to industrial scale is a fertile field for error, and often requires the presence of occassion of the most expert leadership in the endeavor.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:05 PM
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14. There have been several UF6 accidents in the US - one with a fatality
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 04:07 PM by jpak
http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/faq/health/faq30.cfm

It decomposes to hydrofluoric acid, which is way nasty and easily dispersed.

Honeywell's UF6 conversion in Metropolis IL had an off-site leak in December 2003...

http://www.wise-uranium.org/epusa.html#METROP

<snip>

Honeywell Metropolis conversion plant shut down after UF6 leak
Illinois EPA files lawsuit against Honeywell Metropolis conversion plant for UF6 leakages

On December 30, 2004, the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency (IEPA) external link filed a lawsuit filed against the Metropolis Works Conversion Facility (MTW) . The complaint charges Honeywell International with air pollution for the September and December 2003 incidents that occurred at MTW. The complaint charges that “Honeywell subjected its workers and its neighbors not once, but twice, to dangerous levels of hazardous materials” and that the state is “working to ensure that corrective measures have been taken to minimize the possibility that these alleged employee mistakes will occur again”. The suit seeks a civil penalty of $50,000 per violation and an additional $10,000 for each day the violation continues. (Converdyn Jan. 6, 2005)

<snip>

not for me thank you...
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:28 AM
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24. Can simple Exposure to UF6 Kill A Man???
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:32 AM
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26. Quite thoroughly. (NT)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:34 AM
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28. How/why? Immediate exposure?
If it's that toxic I can't see how they would be able to manufacture it, much less charge the centrifuges.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:50 AM
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29. Prompt toxicity, latent radiation damage
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 08:54 AM by Tesha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_hexafluoride :

> The long-term storage of DUF6 presents environmental,
> health, and safety risks because of its chemical
> instability. When UF6 is exposed to moist air, it
> reacts with the water in the air to produce UO2F2
> (uranyl fluoride) and HF (hydrogen fluoride) both
> of which are highly soluble and toxic.

Remember, your lungs are moist. And you don't react well
(in several different, nasty ways) with the resulting
hydrofluoric acid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid

> Symptoms of skin exposure to dilute HF are not felt
> immediately, but exposure of less than 10% of the body
> to it can be fatal, even with immediate medical treatment.
> Highly concentrated solutions may lead to acute hypocalcemia,
> followed by cardiac arrest and death, and will usually be
> fatal in as little as 2% body exposure (about the size of
> the sole of the foot). This substance is extremely toxic
> and has the capacity to kill upon exposure rather than
> simply damage skin and eyes. It should be handled with
> extreme care,

ER once did a very touching show where a fellow
was exposed to HF acid. Even though he seemed fine, his
death was assured within a few hours due to hypocalcemia.

-----------------------------------------

But I don't understant your comment:

> it's that toxic I can't see how they would be able
> to manufacture it, much less charge the centrifuges.

Enormously toxic stuff is handled every day in routine
industrial manufacturing processes.

Tesha
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:10 AM
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30. Usually enormously toxic stuff is avoided, or used in very simple processes...
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 09:16 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Shunting gas thru a series of centrifuges is not the same as storing it in a tank and feeding a small amount into a pressure cooker as a reagent.

By enormously toxic, I mean "even a small leak, in the air, or a tiny amount on the skin would kill a man"

Polonium or Ruthenium, for example.

By that standard, for instance, mercuric compounds can be very toxic but mostly the toxicity is only cumulative.

I mean, you had that guy (exploited immigrant laborer, of course) who was sent into a tank of industrial waste and ordered to clean it out without anything but a dust mask... He was permanently brain damaged... But the guy who went down there to save him, died.

That doesn't meet my definition of extremely toxic because it's survivable.

Certain powdered substances, a gram of it dumped in a lake would kill a swimmer. One such substance, a spill occurred and the man died instantly with 3rd degree chemical burns.

Thanks for the information, though. I knew HF was extremely acidic, but I didn't know it was as extremely toxic as the article states. (one can certainly handle hydrochloric acid much easier, it is often used in research)

I didn't know Wikipedia covered Merck Index type stuff.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:13 AM
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32. Well, the company near me that used to make shampoo, etc...
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 10:13 AM by Tesha
Well, the company near me that used to make shampoo
and other similar chemicals always had several
railway cars of hydrofluoric acid lined up next
to their building, so I guess we can debate
exactly how toxic it is, but it's not debatable
that chemicals of that toxicity are
routinely used in industrial processes.

Then throw in a little 234U for
extra added excitement and you're starting
to talk about the toxicity of UF6.

Tesha
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:34 AM
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31. Not Instantansously, But Quickly
The toxicity is worse than the radiation. Per Sax's Chemical Hazards Guide (the Bible of chemical toxicity), the LD50 by inhalation is only 2mg/kg of body weight.
The Professor
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:49 PM
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5. ah, lead poisoning.
So, we have George Bush as the biggest villian in the world, followed by Israel's leaders. funny, no?

NO
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:51 PM
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6. Oh, goody! Now Iran's nuke program is destroyed and we won't have to invade!
:party:
rocknation
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:51 PM
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8. Fox ?
Did the fine print in the last article we had on this guy say it was an industrial accident with the fun stuff he was working with?

But any fucking asshole says Israel did something remotely negative and you buy it without a question.

It provides ZERO evidence and an unnamed source who merely "SUGGESTED" Mossad did it. Can I sell you a bridge? The Israelis don't want you to buy it.

BTW, if the Mossad has infiltrated the highest nuclear science circles in Iran, what is anyone worried about?

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:55 PM
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9. Good question!!
Sounds like a good alternative to all out war.
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Dracos Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:03 PM
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12. I know the source is not the best
I saw the story though and thought it should be shared.I am still new at this will try to find better sources in the future.http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1170359775445&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:00 PM
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11. The Last Sentence, Sir, Is Poorly Phrased
Accurately rendered, it would run something like: A private security firm of no great reputation claims it was told by a source whose name and nature it would not disclose that this was done by Israel.

It is most unlikely Israel has much operational capacity in Iran: conditions are not very favoreable for either recruitment or infiltration.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:03 PM
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13. Do I remember an assination being at the root of a world war?
I'm just sayin' is all.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:07 PM
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15. This Is Not An Assassination, Sir
Soe persons simply seek to entertain themselves with the fantasy that it is one. They should go to rent a video or read a thriller to get their fix of chills....
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:11 PM
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17. Why would a US-funded propaganda outlet push that story? nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:16 PM
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18. Sport, Mostly, Sir
It is always fun to over-state one's rreach, and on the off chance the Iranians were foolish enough to take the claim seriously, they might cause themselves a little trouble through a purge in their technicians involved in the project. But it is an extraordinarily clumsy effort at disinformation, and will be received as such by the Iranian intelligence services, who are very, very good at the work....
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:27 PM
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19. How do you "know" every poster is a "Sir", SIR?
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 04:27 PM by WinkyDink
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:34 PM
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21. And Your Point Is, Ma'am?
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:10 AM
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22. I merely ask a question based on the "report"
And the early "spin" was indeed of an assassination. That it isn't is a good thing. However the early spin, is what was reported and as another DU'er stated seems a little fishy that it was the early spin, not to mention scary.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:10 PM
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16. Sounds like an Indian surname
Are Indian physicists in on the Iranian nuke project? They would certainly have the expertise.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:53 AM
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23. That's a Kurdish surname
not Indian.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:31 PM
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20. Probably just tripped on a banana
:eyes:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:31 AM
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25. Would a broken centrifuge kill a man, or is prolonged exposure needed?
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 08:33 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Elemental chemistry has always fascinated me.

For instance, Ruthenium is the rarest, most expensive, and most useless element...

With the radioactive heavy metals in stable isotopes, it's not the radiation, it's the toxicity.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:19 PM
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33. but of course, IF it's alleged, that Israel did it....
and enough people choose to believe the story...it succeeds in heightening the tension between the two countries...(just what we need)...therefore increasing the possibility of a negative reaction...(not to say Israel/Mossad did or did not do anything of the sort...I sure can believe they'd take a hand to keep Iran from securing nuclear capabilities..and I can also see Iran claiming Israel/Mossad did exactly what is being claimed to cover an accident)...who really loses if this sort of action causes a confrontation? the US...because the US is spoiling for a fight, and WILL do whatever someone deems necessary(cooks up)to protect Israel, and justify war with Iran...so there you go...and from what I read, it is a spokesperson for a US intelligence agency telling the story, to the Iranians as well as anyone else...(a warning perhaps, or just plain catapulting the propaganda?)The way I see this, is anything negative that's happening, or any stories that are being told, regarding Iran/Israel at this point...is being done on purpose with a deliberate intent...
wb
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