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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:17 PM
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America's highways approaching Third World status. "No money for roads"
Can you imagine what just a fraction of the money spent in Iraq could have done for our once-proud highway system? The tens of thousands of jobs renovating our highways and bridges would have created? Instead our infrastructure is crumbling under Chimpolini while our national debt is exploding.




Traffic is up and road repairs are down. There was 40 percent more traffic in 2005 than there was in 1990. At the same time, an estimated 30 percent of America’s roads are in poor or mediocre condition.

Nobody knows that nation’s highways better than Phil Gould. “I’ve been driving trucks professionally for 42 years,” Gould told CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes. But he doesn’t enjoy the open road the way he used to. Road conditions have declined, he said. “They were beautiful, but now they’re, they're for the most part, they’re in need of repair,” Gould said...

All those rough rides are rough on your wallet. It’s estimated that driving on roads in need of repair costs American drivers an average of $333 per year. Or almost $400 for urban motorists.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/09/eveningnews/main3033705.shtml
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:22 PM
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1. But those tax breaks
:sarcasm:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:23 PM
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2. Where is the gas tax going that is supposed to
be used for highway upkeep?????
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:25 PM
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3. K&R.nt
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:25 PM
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4. We need to privatize the roads because the government doesn't work
and then social security, the army, public schools, the police, the fire department, the...........................


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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:39 PM
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5. Faux news: 3rd world is like 2nd generation. It's better! Be proud to be a 3rd world American!
It took a lot of hard work for Bush to make us a 3rd world country. Where is the love? You libs should appreciate what he has done for us. ;)
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:45 PM
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6. I run a large asphalt company in Northwest Ohio,
and business has halved every year since 2001, nuff said?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 11:51 PM
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12. Nuff said indeed! Thank you, GOP!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:46 PM
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7. We knew that was coming..
Is it gonna take America falling apart at the seams and $$12 Billion a month going to Iraq to stop this killing? The dead bodies don't seem to be doin' it.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:12 PM
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8. We gotta make "freedom reach the darkest corner of the world" first
IMPEACH.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:13 PM
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9. infrastructure by bye
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 11:11 PM
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10. No need to worry about the state of the highways folks,
because when http://www.energybulletin.net/primer.php">Peak Oil well and truly sets in within the next few years, you aren't going to be able to afford the gas to drive anywhere anyway.


The Myth of Permanence: Post Peak Infrastructure Maintenance

As we pass peak oil and then peak energy what will happen to the massive infrastructure and engineering marvels of our global society when we no longer have the energy, resources and technology to maintain them? All we need do is look to the past for answers. What happened to the infrastructure of past civilizations; Egypt, Greece, Rome, Mesopotamia, the Mayan, Incan, Aztec empires? Nature reclaimed them, and was not particularly kind in the process. The wonders of Egypt had to be dug out of an ever-expanding desert. The massive temples and creations of the past empires of the Americas had to be resurrected from the overgrowth of encroaching jungle. The remains of the Roman Empire and ancient Greece had to be exumed from beneath the natural landscape of Europe.

Nature does not lovingly or dutifully maintain our creations for us. She doesn't give a damn how much effort we put into them, how important they were to us. Nature is dynamic, constantly changing. Permanence is a human myth totally at odds with nature's reality.

Infrastructure is the hard wiring of our society. Much of it is invisible. To those living within the embrace of that infrastructure it is taken for granted, is seen as permanent, the foundation of that society and of their individual lives. But it seems so because there is an army of people and a kalaidescope of technology that is constantly working to keep it maintained. While past empires were alive and vibrant similar efforts and energies and armies of people, many of them slaves, were maintaining their infrastructure, maintaining the impression of permanence by keeping it clean and safe and polished and in working order. When those empires fell and all of that constant maintenance ceased that impression and myth of permanence fell apart and the inevitable reality of deterioration set in.

http://oilbeseeingyou.blogspot.com/2006/12/myth-of-permanence-post-peak.html



The Long Emergency
What's going to happen as we start running out of cheap gas to guzzle?

JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER Posted Mar 24, 2005 12:00 AM

SNIP

Before long, the suburbs will fail us in practical terms. We made the ongoing development of housing subdivisions, highway strips, fried-food shacks and shopping malls the basis of our economy, and when we have to stop making more of those things, the bottom will fall out.

The circumstances of the Long Emergency will require us to downscale and re-scale virtually everything we do and how we do it, from the kind of communities we physically inhabit to the way we grow our food to the way we work and trade the products of our work. Our lives will become profoundly and intensely local. Daily life will be far less about mobility and much more about staying where you are. Anything organized on the large scale, whether it is government or a corporate business enterprise such as Wal-Mart, will wither as the cheap energy props that support bigness fall away. The turbulence of the Long Emergency will produce a lot of economic losers, and many of these will be members of an angry and aggrieved former middle class.

SNIP

The way that commerce is currently organized in America will not survive far into the Long Emergency. Wal-Mart's "warehouse on wheels" won't be such a bargain in a non-cheap-oil economy. The national chain stores' 12,000-mile manufacturing supply lines could easily be interrupted by military contests over oil and by internal conflict in the nations that have been supplying us with ultra-cheap manufactured goods, because they, too, will be struggling with similar issues of energy famine and all the disorders that go with it.

As these things occur, America will have to make other arrangements for the manufacture, distribution and sale of ordinary goods. They will probably be made on a "cottage industry" basis rather than the factory system we once had, since the scale of available energy will be much lower -- and we are not going to replay the twentieth century. Tens of thousands of the common products we enjoy today, from paints to pharmaceuticals, are made out of oil. They will become increasingly scarce or unavailable. The selling of things will have to be reorganized at the local scale. It will have to be based on moving merchandise shorter distances. It is almost certain to result in higher costs for the things we buy and far fewer choices.

The automobile will be a diminished presence in our lives, to say the least. With gasoline in short supply, not to mention tax revenue, our roads will surely suffer. The interstate highway system is more delicate than the public realizes. If the "level of service" (as traffic engineers call it) is not maintained to the highest degree, problems multiply and escalate quickly. The system does not tolerate partial failure. The interstates are either in excellent condition, or they quickly fall apart.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/7203633/the_long_emergency
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 11:40 PM
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11. no money for roads, healthcare etc etc...
...but PLENTY for endless war (AND WAR PROFITEERING) and tax breaks for the RICH!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 11:55 PM
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13. Be it SS, highway repair, etc.
all going for war and defense contractors.
America's roads, bridges, etc. going to hell in a basket.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:06 AM
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14. To get to my apartment smack in the middle of a college town
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 12:07 AM by tblue37
(home of KU), I have to drive on roads that are tearing up my tires. The main leading directly to the university from where I live is so bad that when I take a cab to my class, the cab driver won't even drive on it. It's frustrating because I take a cab only when I have overslept and need to get there in a hurry, but to avoid that road the driver has to go about 5 minutes out of his way.

The local newspaper has reported on the fact that the city doesn't have anywhere near enough money to deal with the roads in need of repair. Something like 50% of our city's roads are in really, really bad shape.

So it isn't just highways--it's all the roads--and every other part of our country's infrastructure.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:15 AM
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15. Maybe it is time for car culture to die
We have been trapped by cars,trapped in sprawl designed around owning cars,we don't NEED cars, cars are and always have been a MANUFACTURED need. Public transit works too. as does your feet.And we don't need more roads we just need less cars.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:19 AM
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16. This is not about more roads, it's about taking care of what we already have.
Believe me, Bush and company is not neglecting the interstate road system in order to end the car culture.

We do need less cars, but that's another topic. Until we solve the transit problem, it would be nice to have roads you can actually travel on.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:45 AM
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19. Yeah...until they build better public transit systems, they need to fix the roads!
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noshenanigans Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:31 AM
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17. Did no one ever play Sim City?
Seriously, that's like so basic.. underfund the roads and everything goes down with them. At least here in real life we can depend on mass transit or some kind of cross-country light rail, right? Hmm.. well, at least a bunch of people own 3 or 4 multi-million dollar homes.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:23 AM
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18. If the rest of the country is as bad as it here in Mass I can't say I'm surprised.
I know it's Spring around here,not by the robins or the blooming trees and plants,but because the roadwork people come out.They then proceed to tear up last year's work to replace it with this year's work.Usually,after about four years they move on to a new area and start over,leaving the last area even worse then when they started.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:22 PM
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20. The roads are a mess in Mass!
Two things I noticed over the last two years with two vehicles in my family are an increased frequency of front end alignments and the need for new tires. Also, you're right about road crews doing craptacular work. We've got some serious craters in my neighborhood left over from water pipe replacement work.
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