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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:13 AM
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Michael Moore's fact list (send this to CNN)
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:21 AM
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1. Thanks for posting this one
Much Appreciated... Gupta is a shill in my opinion.


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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:32 AM
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2. I especiallylike the last correction ...
from July 10th, 2007 12:19 am
'SiCKO' Truth Squad Sets CNN Straight


CNN: "But no matter how much Moore fudged the facts, and he did fudge some facts…"


  • This is libel. There is not a single fact that is "fudged" in the film. No one has proven a single fact in the film wrong. We expect CNN to correct their mistakes on the air and to apologize to their viewers.



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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:04 AM
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3. Moore was pissed when they interviewed him.
I like that righteous outrage.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:28 AM
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4. Off to the Greatest Page. n/t
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:37 AM
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5. K&R
When I was watching that Gupta piece, I was thinking it was complete bull and I haven't even seen Sicko yet.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:04 AM
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6. This should be elevated beyond just this case
This is a clear case of a MSM institution deliberately trying to undermine facts the people desperately need. This is pure libel. It is a smear campaign and it is being run by an institution that is supposed to serve truth. There should be protests. There should be outrage.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:35 AM
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8. Since when was AOL/Time/Warner concerned with truth?
The day Turner sold CNN to them they stopped being a news organization and became just another source of corporate propaganda.


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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:35 AM
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7. Request: Someone please let us cuberats know if CNN...
airs its on-air apology as Michael demanded (rightfully so). That shall be a beautiful thing; if they don't, I have no doubt Michael will take this to civil court.

Actually, that could be great - give more exposure to not only SICKO, but the complicity of media in the lies sent down by their corporate masters.

I agree with another DUer, who posted somewhere yesterday that Michael's next project should be an expose on corporate media.

Go Michael!!!! You are most definitely an American Hero!!!!!!!

Let's see if any of the top-tier presidential candidates get a clue - and the balls - to start speaking the truth. (I know Kucinich has been right out front all along on the important issues, much to his credit.)
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:47 AM
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9. How To Contact CNN
Sent via: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form6a.html?2

I'm writing regarding Sanjay Gupta's piece on Michael Moore.

Gupta was way off base - Moore has refuted Gupta's claims at http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=10017 , and as a long-time student of international health care, I can also say that Gupta is wrong and Moore is correct.

Gupta and CNN owe an apology to their audience. Gupta's piece was not only factually and fundamentally incorrect, it was a slander against Moore
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:51 AM
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10. cnn wants to make gupta the issue -- and i say LET THEM!
don't just correct cnn -- complain and loudly about the bias that gupta is showing and the blatant disregard for for 47 million uninsured people and people TRAPPED in horrifying hmos.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:41 AM
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11. The awful heartbreak of, gasp, an increase in waiting time.
I am so sick of hearing how we just might have to, god forbid, wait for health care services if America would dare offer national health care. As if waiting isn't occurring right now.

I had to wait 12 weeks to get in to see a Doctor as a new patient. This was the third Doctor I had switched to because I didn't like one of the doctors (the guy kept can canceling our appointments, only to reschedule three weeks out) or the doctor switched to another practice that didn't take my medical insurance (one doctor actually died at the end of the 12 weeks waiting period). At each new doctor's visit there was an 8 to 12 week wait. I have a very good health insurance policy and yet I had to wait a total of 26 weeks to find and see another doctor. Can National Health care be any worse?

But I'm not the only one waiting around for doctors in the US.

Of the six countries surveyed in that study (United States, Canada, New Zealand, UK, Germany, Australia) only Canada had longer waiting times than America for sick adults waiting to schedule a doctor's appointment for a medical problem. 81% of patients in New Zealand got a same or next-day appointment for a non-routine visit, 71% in Britain, 69% in Germany, 66% in Australia, 47% in the U.S., and 36% in Canada. (The Doc's in, but It'll be AWhile. Catherine Arnst, Business Week. June 22, 2007 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2007 /
tc20070621_716260_page_2.htm)

One way America is able to achieve decent waiting times is that it leaves 47 million people out of the health care system entirely, unlike any other Western country. When you remove 47 million people from the line, your wait should be shorter. So why is the U.S. second to last in wait times?

47 million people taken off the waiting list and I still waited 26 weeks to get a new doctor. Who is CNN kidding when they say we are going to have to wait more if we get nationalized health care?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:41 PM
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18. My husband has been waiting for MONTHS to see a specialist
and when I went to the ER (years ago) for a stabbing pain in my eye, I was given drops, told it was "probably conjunctivitis"..and had to wait 6 weeks for an opthalmology appointment..

My correct diagnosis..severe uveitis..result: I am blind in that eye now.

We HAVE "good" insurance.:eyes:
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:56 AM
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12. Moore should sue CNN just like Carole Burnett sued the National Enquirer
Burnett successfully sued the National Enquirer for libel back in 1981. How fitting to demonstrate that the self-important CNN is really no better than some gossip sheet/scandal rag excuse for journalism.

From Burnett's Wikipedia entry:

"Burnett drew attention in 1981, when she sued the National Enquirer for libel after the tabloid newspaper described her alleged public drunkenness, purportedly with Henry Kissinger. Burnett was particularly sensitive to the accusations because of her parents' own alcoholism. The case was a landmark for libel cases involving celebrities, although the unprecedented $1.6 million verdict for Burnett was reduced to about $800,000 on appeal, and eventually settled out of court.

She donated a portion of that award to the University of Hawaii saying she hoped the suit would teach aspiring journalists the dangers of defaming individuals in articles. The money was used to fund Law and Ethics courses at the school. Burnett said at the time that she didn't care if she just won "carfare", and that the lawsuit was a matter of principle."

Actually Moore can sue Gupta individually, for multiple slanders, and probably also CNN for multiple libels. That would be IF CNN posts any transcripts of Gupta's comments. Can someone here track that down, i.e., does CNN post transcripts of such comments? Or does it offer tape replay on its website?

As we 1st year law students learned to remember the difference, Slander is Spoken; Libel is written. The lies which Gupta spoke verbally on the CNN broadcast were slanders; to the extent which CNN "publishes" any transcript of Gupta's comments on the CNN website, that transcript would constitute written comments and therefore libels.

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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:12 AM
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13. Frankly, everyone should read this list........ print it off, study it... great talking points
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:17 AM
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14. For those that might have an interest, here's a link to a single-payer site...great resource
Single-Payer National Health Insurance
Physicians for a National Health Program

Single-payer national health insurance is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely private.

Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite spending more than twice as much as the rest of the industrialized nations ($7,129 per capita), the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality and immunization rates. Moreover, the other advanced nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 46 million completely uninsured and millions more inadequately covered.

The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars.

Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:50 AM
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15. c'mon,DU...bombard them with truth.
I have never been more disappointed in a medical professional(I am one,too)."Dr." Gupta has obviously sold his soul to the pharma companies,and so has CNN.I'm sure you have already received this list of corrections,but here it is again:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=10017

We ARE aware of your partisonship.I see firsthand what the medical system has done to Americans.Start reporting the news,and not some sell-out rhetoric.Shame on you.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:31 AM
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16. It seems fairly obvious who is fudging facts..
That is just one of the reasons I do not watch the propaganda channels.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:28 PM
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17. Cool - he answers CNN's assertion that he fudges facts by saying 'This is libel.'
Demands CNN corrects itself. Is he setting the stage for a lawsuit? That would be awesome... standing up against swiftboating has got to become de riguer for progressives these days.
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