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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:52 AM
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Stupid Letter of the week - only "small sacrifices" involved with national ID cards
and with putting our DNA and fingerprints on file.

SENSIBLE ID CARD

There is debate about the idea of having a national ID card. What is the problem? We all pretty much have driver’s licences. These new national ID cards would be similar, but the new card would be organized federally instead of on a state-by-state basis. People always bring up the part that the Nazis had national ID cards. Big whoop. We’re not Nazis, and Bush isn’t Hitler. To make this system even better, we should all be required to submit DNA and fingerprints to a database. Crimes would be solved easier, and possibly prevented knowing that your DNA and prints are on file. Unfortunately the general public is generally stupid. You want security but you don’t want to make any small sacrifices.

http://www.remindernewspapers.com

Click on "Read the Newspaper", then select a version and then the July 3rd week, and then "Local News" and then "Speak Out"
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Right Hawk Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:59 AM
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1. national ID
A national ID would be fine. I can't see any merit in a "invasion of our privacy" rebuttal. Hit "enter" and everything you did in your life in on a computer somewhere. It knd of krept up on us when we stopped using 3X5 cards for keeping personal information on folks.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:07 AM
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8. well, the writer's justification
is that Bush isn't Hitler. That's not exactly a strong endorsement, is it?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:15 AM
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9. It is pretty similar to endorsements for Democratic candidates
"Why should I vote for your candidate?"

"Because he is not Republican."

:hi:
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:17 AM
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11. Reminder to any lurking Freepers: Well, Hillary isn't Hitler, but she is Hillary.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:31 PM
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14. Know what I like to do when I suspect a freep-troll?
I add them to my buddy list so I can check their profile from time to time.

Most are tombstoned in short order.

It's cool.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:00 AM
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2. We know republicans are psychotic
they post anything. Oh no wait the BELIEVE anything the republicans spew.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:00 AM
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3. Is calling people stupid the latest conservative tactic?
I heard on New Orleans right wing radio (is there any other kind?) yesterday a man was saying how ignorant people are and that "we" need to study the constitution. The issue, the ACLU wants a Louisiana City to take down a picture of Jesus in the courthouse. I know its right there in the bill of rights, christianity will be forced on all citizens in public buildings. I guess I'm just ignorant.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:05 AM
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7. It's not a new tactic of theirs ...
1. Attack public school teachers as "teaching communism" because they're in unions
2. Attack public school system as liberal re-education concentration camps
3. Cut funding wherever possible of public schools
4. Replace public school funding with vouchers
5. Once funding is replaced with vouchers, close out public schools
6. Once public schools are closed, campaign to eliminate the "unconstitutional" practice of handing money to people who have kids, saying that "If you want your kid to have an education, pay for it."
7. Lament about the ignorance of the general population ... how "smart" the elite few are ... those who could afford to educate their kids ...

Oh, and don't forget to eliminate funding for that "socialist experiment" - public libraries ... if you want to read a book, buy it ...
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:00 AM
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4. Just sew them onto your shirt or coat so that you don't have to keep
pulling them out ...
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:01 AM
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5. If I were on a jury, I would never convict anyone on DNA or fingerprint evidence only. And I believe
that if the system is overwhelmed by additional submissions of DNA and fingerprint samples, there will be failure after failure, and innocent people will be harmed or be subject to costly investigations. It is not a "small sacrifice" to willingly submit yourself to a police state.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:05 AM
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6. Stupid or not
I can't see it not happening as long as we have the energy to do it. It may not happen today or tomorrow, or even until after you die, but what did that ever stop? It's just part of the process.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:16 AM
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10. Little by little are our civil liberties eroded - the liberties many gave their lives for!
I keep referring back to "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer because the parallels between Nazi Germany and now are just too unsettling.

"One had no time to think. There was so much going on." "Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your "little men", your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about - we were decent people - and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the "national enemies", without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.


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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:53 AM
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12. Wrong
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 10:54 AM by goddess40
There are a lot of people who don't have driver's licenses. To get an ID card in our area one would need to get a ride to the DOT office out in the suburbs. There is no bus service to that area. There is also a fee, I think $4. The DOT office is seriously understaffed so there are long waits involved with any transaction there. It's doable but not easy, especially for the elderly.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:41 PM
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13. Feel free to write back
and tell the writer how you feel.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 02:34 PM
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15. The Fascist National ID Card
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin.



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