Will Cindy Sheehan run as a Democrat? If not, I hope DU doesn't allow campaigning here.

Since this is DEMOCRATIC Underground.

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Cindy Sheehan is expressing core liberal principles-- the ones the democratic party once stood for, IIRC.

Surely you never had the illusion that this place was a completely open forum and why should it be?
It's clearly stated in the rules just exactly what this place allows.

ETA we need more progressives IN the Democratic Party.

If I sign up for a site that supports my PARTY, which I AGREE with most of the time, I don't expect it to be overrun with support for Lieberman or Sheehan.

I share your sentiment.

TC

once, a long time ago. :(

People can vote however they want to, but if Cindy takes a vote away from a Democrat, I couldn't support her with my heart or my wallet.

Now how about we all wait for the actual decision to take place, hmmm?

We can burn that bridge when we come to it. Does starting early really serve a useful purpose?

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she would be returning in two months to announce her new path. The two months are over in two weeks, at which time she planned on announcing her candidacy. But the news got out before her announcement.

if she runs against our Speaker of The House. Sheehan's drawing the line. Not us.

criminal investigation (which is what impeachment hearings are) of the administration, I will be going to San Fransisco to work for Cindy's campaign.

I'm an American first, and a Democrat second. If the Speaker of my party won't go beyond over site to criminal investigations, then she's wrong, she's ignoring the will of her constituents as well as Dems across the country, and needs to be challenged.

I hope the Speaker, who I like, will reconsider her ban on criminal investigation of this administration so it doesn't come to that.

It would bring me no joy, but I can't just shirk my duty as an American because the Speaker belongs to the same party I do.

on means to a similar end.

PFFFFFFF!

:rofl:

:shrug:

If we aren't careful, they will want to ban all impeachment threads too, since her highness Pelosi has taken it off the table.

Look how some are demonizing Cindy here.

She should be cannonized for what she did, fer crissakes, and instead The Flat Earth Society posts thread after thread with "since she won't run as a Dem, she is helping the other side win."

News flash ostriches - she QUIT the Democratic Party because she (correctly) sees the complicity and corruption that has engulfed it. BTW, anyone catch the list of "ordinary, everyday" people that Hillary hit up for big $$ on the campaign trail today? Oh yes, she's one of "us", alright.

When "the ban" happens - and it will - don't say I didn't warn you.

Party before principle - you just watch.

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Party before country!

Being a Democrat

nt

War - good

Impeachment - bad

Pelosi - perfect

Sheehan - lunatic (or attention whore, depending on the day of the week)

Democrats - we MUST obey (we actually need a raised hand smiley)

Is that how it works? I would hate to break the rules. :)

You are free to start your own web site and support whomever you wish there, just as Skinner does here.

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Except maybe wanting to steal someone else's bandwidth. :eyes:

:applause:

NT

You can criticize all you want. You can oppose Pelosi and support anyone who runs against her who is also a Democrat.

No, that is not how it works and you know it.

Oh sure, DU is pro war, and so are the rules.

You can preach impeachment all you like, as long as you don't campaign for a THIRD PARTY candidate who supports impeachment on this site. You can go and campaign for him or her anywhere else you like, but not on a site where the rules forbid campaigning for a THIRD PARTY candidate. There are going to be plenty of pro-impeachement Dems, I assure you. I've heard some of them speak already, at the state convention.

Pelosi is not perfect. Nor is she the devil. I've heard her speak out against Gitmo. I still remember when she endorsed Murtha for the Majority Leader when many in her party thought it should go to the other guy.

Democrats are like herding cats. We do not obey. And gee thanks for implying that we're Nazi's. That was special of you.

Cindy is neither lunatic or whore. But I disagree with her stance of late. Especially since she's identified my current party as the party of slavery and as having started every war in the 20th Century. She can be wrong. It is possible. She could be a perfectly sincere, nice, wrong person.

And if she doesn't campaign as a Dem, just as Lieberman campaigners didn't belong her, her campaigners won't belong here either. If the powers that be on DU, the ones who wrote the rules, were not consistent in the inforcement OF the rules, I would be VERY disappointed.

:hi:

a one issue candidate who bolts the party to discredit one of its major players
doesn't deserve our support and certainly won't get mine.

few of us think impeachment is bad, no one thinks Pelosi is perfect, few think Sheehan is a lunatic. NONE of us are blind followers of anything. We have thought these issues out, and we disagree on tactics to use to advance a similar goal.

about means to a similar end -- for our country.

If she runs third party, no one will be campaigning on DU for her.

nt

How is it that you do not choke to death on your own toenails? Another poster for the ignore list.

watch with wonder as the Repugs score another win for themselves.

I certainly do not donate to DU for the board to sponsor and back a repub or Indie candidate.....the rules are spelled out and easy to understand........

and no different than the worst, most vile RW Repub nutcase, e.g. Delay, Santorrum, et al. They are all in it together against the Democrats and therefore they are the enemy.

That's the rule. Got it! Thanks!!

Understand?

Understand?

He was not elected as a Democrat, he actually beat a Democrat. Do you now understand?

Does he still think he's in the right, do you think?

And yes she is wrong is why she stopped posting.

I am by no means perfect, but If I have been wrong on something, I have had the decency to apologize for it.

And he still claims to represent the Democratic party. Now do you understand?

So there is no sense in talking to you any more. :eyes:

and anyone that wouldn't isn't a real Democrat. You vote one lever - straight party - Democrat. Not a whole lot to figure out about doing the right thing.

Got it!

I was just thinking this "my party right or wrong" crap sounds Republican.

Democratic Party, because it is my country and I want the best for it.

to work for a similar goal for our country. I resent having my patriotism called into question.

Let me get this straight: Anyone who doesn't mindlessly vote the straight party ticket isn't a "real Democrat"?

What it there is a bad Democrat on the ballot? Or does the fact that someone has a (D) behind his name mean he cannot be a "bad Democrat"?

I'm glad I voted for a real Democrat in November and not a phony, whiny, POS.

And that other part where he was not supported here after the primary and his Democratic opponent was?

She got busted big time and so she will move on someplace else to spread falsehoods.

Did you forget that Lieberman is an Independant, ran as an Independant.

And as such, his supporters were not allowed to campaign for him on this site. That's all that's being said, you know. An Independant can not campaign against a Dem on this site. Lieberman's folks couldn't, and I would hope that the mods are consistent enough in the rules not to allow it with Cindy either. The rules should not be enforced as a popularity contest.

Stop. Think.

I've got a hunch....

I have been out of town and haven't spent much time on DU for the last several days. Is there a contest going on, like that post contest a few weeks ago? :woohoo:

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then they'll have to say something, I reckon.

But we are all sorta jumping the gun a bit.

I don't see her mounting a strong challenge to Ms. Pelosi in that district despite what my friends from the area tell me...

My problem is anything that splits the left of center vote in a general election by definition works to the benefits of the Republicans...

I also think Ms. Sheehan's incendiary rhetoric about Dems being pro-war and pro-slavery is over the top...

I know those facts hurt but you can't dispute them.

Dems voted to fund the war and they supported slavery...OK Black DUers we gotta scram.

I forgot Democrats supported Slavery. So I think we should purge ourselves from the Democratic Party.

I'm starting a new site called...Black Underground. We will only support candidates that support the Black cause 100%. If not they don't get our vote.

go ahead, no one is stopping you.

lol

I take it you believe that the Democrats are responsible for most of the wars America fought in the 21st century, they are the party of slavery, and the federal income tax is unconstitutional...

I also think its disingenuous to compare the twenty first century Democratic party with the antebellum Democratic party...

it's also a characteristic of the repuke party.

Ms. Sheehan implied Democrats condone war and slavery... I'm opposed to the former except under the narrowest of circumstances and can't afford the latter...

There were over 100 wars during the 20th century.

The US was involved in a handful of them.

The US actually started 5 or so of those wars.

There was a Dem President for the start of one of those wars.

That will show those blind loyalists!

So it would be dishonest for me to choose party loyalty over her.

Or are you avoiding them intentionally?

Since I come here to fight, how stupid of me to actually not argue and fuss at people who disagree with me!! I should probably call them all names too!!

:sarcasm:

But accusing other of blind party loyalty while you defend whatever comes out of Cindy;s motuh is ridiculous.

"I happen to agree with her"

Well both of you need to read some history then.

And I say that as someone who respects the hell out of Cindy, but that slavery statement is beyond the pale.

is the most effective vehicle at this time to achieve the goals most of us share.

I mean the dead Democrats who supported slavery.
They have absolutely nothing to do with the living Democrats now except in name only.

Of Civil Rights legislation. She just can't win in this thread, even when it comes to who she supports! :rofl:

You sound just like Limbaugh. If I wanted to hear this bullshit (speaking as if the current Democratic party supports slavery) I'd listen to O'Reilly.

:)

The party of equality?

The Democrats are hardly the same party they were over 100 years ago, so what happened back then is completely irrelevant.

other side blindly accepting republican = good.

unless we are able to hold "everyone" up to the ethical light of truth and fairness we will constantly swing between 2 sides of a single party.

You can be just as vocal as you like about the failings of the party. And most people here are, wouldn't you say? We do hold their feet to the fire. But it's just that one line that can't be crossed. All the rules say is that you can not CAMPAIGN for a THIRD PARTY candidate.

says.

And it also seems that if people are critical of Cindy they call foul yet they can be critical of others and pull the we don't lockstep routine.

So basically it is the pot calling the kettle black on this one.

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not post a topic.

IF THERE IS A DEM IN THE RACE. THAT IS THE RULE HERE, LIKE IT OR NOT.

You would be free to work in her campaign, and support her -- just not here.

and plans to run against a Democrat.........what time does this topic and cindy running get booted off the board?

Obviously, its all up to Skinner and crew, but it seems silly to me to only allow dem support. For one, its not like this website is OFFICIAL or anything. Skinner et al can do whatever they want. Why they wouldn't support a progressive independent (who would caucus with the dems ANYWAYS) just because they don't have a D in front of their names is, well, kinda dumb. Why should a rule be hard and fast, when it can be changed for the better.

Why not make an exception for progressive independants?

The disagreement is a single issue, impeachment.

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The republicans win because they stick together. We split into groups instead. If she runs against a dem, they should nix the campaigning on here.

on running as a Democrat.