Where our outrage should be directed: a bunch of threads that can be used for indictments

bobthedrummer

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Tue Jul-10-07 11:54 AM
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Where our outrage should be directed: a bunch of threads that can be used for indictments

It's another one of those weeks here, and for those that got so much ANGER let's use it and direct it to profile and document real criminals that are in this criminal administration that was installed.

In no particular order here are some of the areas that are beyond outrageous, please add your own and build this thread instead of misdirecting our ANGER into silly divisive threads about people that haven't committed war crimes, crimes against humanity, treason, war profiteering, vote fraud, etc. and have set up a de facto fascist state right before our eyes.

So here are some threads that can be used for indictments:

Subpoena SUSAN B. RALSTON She holds the key to WH E-mail systems, election night '04 and Abramoff ( started by seafan 3-26-07)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x505855

The Use of RNC E-mail Accounts by WH Officials (started by sabra 6-18-07)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2884749

Network Hosting Attorney Scandal E-mails Also Hosted Ohio's 2004 Election Results (started by Octafish)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x735051

Terror Plot Suspect WORKED For The CIA's Airline That Was Used For Extraordinary Rendition (started by kpete)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1038783

BAE Faces Criminal Inquiry In US Over $1bn Payments To Saudi's Prince Bandar (started by babylonsister)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1110367

Historically the darkside of investment relations includes black budget relationships (posted 3-13-07)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x360539#402023

Parent thread of that 3-13-2007 post: International American Products/IAP: A DU investigation thread (started 3-7-07)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x360539

Regime Change in Iran (started by Emit)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x233209

Gates is Poppy's guy ( sarted 11-9-06, right after OUR message was sent in the mid-term and the promises about the first one hundred hours made {but failed} when Rumsfeld "resigned" and Robert Gates was "decided" on)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2665635

Reagan and the Salvadoran Baby Skulls by Robert Parry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x260030

Timeline: Activities of the White House Iraq Group/WHIG from the Democratic Party
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/timeline_activi.php

A DU collaborative investigation: Thelma Colbert, Shannon Ross and other deaths at Department of Justice (started 5-8-07)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x847120

Looking for links to news stories about Afghanistan, Bin Laden, Taliban, pree 9/11 (started by seemslikeadream)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x949535

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales Sandbagged Novation LLC Prosecution (started by IChing)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2809066

Lurita Alexis Doan thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x521785

Mel Sembler threads
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x548152#562738

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007185.php

http://www.alternet.org/story/27725

There are so many more archived and current threads that can be used for indictments-add to them and direct that ANGER into this thread.

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redqueen

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Tue Jul-10-07 11:57 AM
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1. I'm sure if there were any real evidence, Pelosi would start

Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 12:03 PM by redqueen

changing her tone on impeachment... so the fact that she hasn't must therefore prove that there is nowhere near enough evidence.

That's logic!

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bobthedrummer

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:01 PM
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2. LOL

:rofl:

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redqueen

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:09 PM
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3. :D

Well, it certainly seems to pass muster as 'logic' for some, anyway!

:hi:

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sandnsea

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Tue Jul-10-07 04:53 PM
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12. Just like the election, prove a broken law

Take one, any one, and prove Bush knew, beyond any argument, that laws were broken.

That's what is meant by evidence. Irrefutable evidence that a law was broken, that rises to the high crimes level.

What we need to do is pick the three issues that are easiest to prove, find the laws broken, and then just beat the living hell out of them until every person in the country understands.

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conscious evolution

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Tue Jul-10-07 05:02 PM
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15. The Nurembeg Principles

Specifically principle VI

Principle VI
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:

(a) Crimes against peace:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
(b) War Crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation of slave labor or for any other purpose of the civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
(c) Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.

The Nurembeg Principals were developed after WW2 and are recognized as international law.There is no way in hell bushit is not aware of them or the consequences of committing war crimes as he has done.

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bobthedrummer

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:10 PM
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4. so what can you add to this thread-there's so much to choose from-kick

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glitch

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:10 PM
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5. Nice compilation - saves me time wading through the forums.

If you did this every day I could just check in on your journal ;) Thanks for posting K & R

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bobthedrummer

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:13 PM
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6. glitch, you can add to it-and I don't have a journal.

:hi:

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glitch

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:34 PM
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8. I knew you were going to say that. ;) nt

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redqueen

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Tue Jul-10-07 12:25 PM
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7. Rick Foster *instructed* to LIE to Congress...

re: cost of Medicare Prescription Drug Plan.

Can't find a thread about it (?!) but here's a few links:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/15/eveningnews/main606477.shtml
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05041/455510.stm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0325-04.htm

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John Q. Citizen

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Tue Jul-10-07 01:11 PM
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9. The Downing Street Memo and the SOTU address are prima facia evidence

Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 01:11 PM by John Q. Citizen

of lying to congress to start a war.

Impeachment hearings are in effect a criminal investigation.

Oversite hearings aren't criminal investigation, they are directed at fact finding and info gathering so that congress may bettter craft legislation and may provide oversite and direction for the executive.

We need a criminal investigation (impeachment) of the executive branch.

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sandnsea

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Tue Jul-10-07 04:55 PM
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14. Build the case

Start with the laws broken. Then list the documented evidence.

Then, present the defense so we can make sure the impeachment will stick.

Don't say it's Congress' job, the point is that if WE can't put it in 50 words, then the issue still aren't clear to the people.

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conscious evolution

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Tue Jul-10-07 05:05 PM
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16. Law broken is

Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 05:52 PM by conscious evolution

If you need proof I am sure we can arrange a trip to Iraq so you can see for yourself what is going on.

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sandnsea

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Tue Jul-10-07 07:05 PM
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17. So that's your plan

Nancy Pelosi says, "Bush Broke International Law".

House says 'aye'. The Senate says 'aya'.

And that's that. That's justice. That's democracy.

Is that what you're saying?

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conscious evolution

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Tue Jul-10-07 07:16 PM
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18. That's right

And anyone who votes no can also stand before an International War Crimes Tribunal as far as I am concerned.Republican or Democrat.

Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

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sandnsea

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Tue Jul-10-07 08:09 PM
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19. And that is why there's no impeachment

Nancy Pelosi cannot stand up and demand impeachment just because she says so.

And you guys wonder why nobody trusts you to govern. :eyes:

I am serious. If you want impeachment, you have to tell people the law that has been broken and what your evidence is, in plain English. Change minds, change votes. If you can't do that, then go back to sitting in trees because at least there were some tangible results with that.

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conscious evolution

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Tue Jul-10-07 08:31 PM
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20. What part of plain English do you not understand here

Principle I
Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment.;

seems pretty plain to me.

Principle II
The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.;

What part of this one do are you having trouble comprehending?

Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.;

What about this one?

Principle IV
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.;

Or this?

Principle V
Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.;

Surely you understand this.

Hopefully this one also.

b) War Crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation of slave labor or for any other purpose of the civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.;

Granted,there are a few big words here so here is a link that you may find useful.

http://dictionary.reference.com/
You do know what a dictionary is,don't you?
In case you don't here is a freeby:
dic�tion�ar�y /ˈdɪkʃəˌnɛri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation
�noun, plural -ar�ies. 1. a book containing a selection of the words of a language, usually arranged alphabetically, giving information about their meanings, pronunciations, etymologies, inflected forms, etc., expressed in either the same or another language;

Oh,by the way.Thanks for outing yourself as a freeper!

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wiggs

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Tue Jul-10-07 01:18 PM
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10. There are so many. But first one was before 9/11...lying to Congress

about Medicare costs and bribing a congressman to sway the vote. This was outrageous at the time and there should still be punishment for it.

By the way: Indictable yes...but also clearly impeachable. AND many republicans were very upset about it.

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bobthedrummer

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Tue Jul-10-07 04:42 PM
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11. A few more very informative indictment worthy threads

Pakistan nuclear kidnap foiled (1-15-07)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2689760

Hey RUMSFELD! Who's your NAZI? (Octafish)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2039009

VULTURE FUND CERBERUS weighing Bid for Chrysler (KoKo01)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x389295

CIA accused of Bank Heist (seemslikeadream)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2995319

Add to them, direct that ANGER to where it needs to go.

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conscious evolution

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Tue Jul-10-07 04:53 PM
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13. The IdesOfOctober Haliburton and State Street Bank threads

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/?az=archives&j=2571&page=1

Some pretty explosive charges laid out in them.Well worth the long read.

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shireen

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Wed Jul-11-07 12:17 PM
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21. outstanding! thank you!

i bookmarked this thread, it's a great reference. Have you read Elizabeth de la Vega's book? It's written really well: simple, concise, elegant, and accessible, a great read. Wish I could mail it to every household in the country!

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bobthedrummer

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Thu Jul-12-07 03:06 PM
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22. Up thread there was some impeachment talk-let's not forget that Dennis Kucinich has introduced

specific articles of impeachment against Mr. Cheney, those can certainly be added to today.

Here are some more threads that can be used in many ways, including indictments.

A DU criminal investigation thread: Bush's White House Staff (6-1-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1020760

Email-Gate FACTS: Felons, georgewbush.com, gwb43.com, et. al. (Laughing Coyote)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978

Dubai Ports completes sale of controversial US operations (TomInTib)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2771103

A DU collaborative investigation: National Energy Policy Development Group/NEPDG (3-18-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x440721

On BAE et. al. a historical report from March 2002, (from John Young's cryptome.org archives)
The Soiled Dove II: A Report
http://cryptome.org/soil/soiled-dove2.htm

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