Vitter and others did nothing wrong.

Prostitution should be legal as long as everyone participating is a consenting adult.

A tall thin woman can sell her body to Liz Claiborne to be a walking maniquin, but a voluptuous woman can't sell her body for sex?

I sell my body to my employer 5-6 days a week. My eyes, my brain, my arms are all very useful in processing human resources paperwork. My employer sees a value in what my bod can do for him and pays me accordingly.

Why can't Vitter see a value in what "Pamela Martin Associates" can do for him and pay accordingly. There is no victim and I, for one, defend Vitter and all the rest of them - regardless of where their politics lie. If one of these people broke their marriage vows then let them take that up with their spouse. But I don't see how it affects anyone else.

This woman was not keeping sex slaves. Those women worked for her of their own free will. What was done is victimless. It should be legal and I wish we'd fight for that instead of dance with glee that a Republican got caught.

The point is that these clowns are lying HYPOCRITES. They are telling you how to run your life while doing all the things they tell you NOT to do.

is his record on the Clinton impeachment to see that he's a sack of sh*it.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/479862

never strayed outside of marriage because that's the Right Thing To Do. That is the point of the Vitter story. He is a hypocrite for betraying his values.

Actually I have sincerely come to believe that hypocrisy is a conservative value.

or a Duzy? How about the Greatest Duzy?

And I do seriously believe it is one of their values since so many of them use it so often.

To understand those things would leave them open to the sort of cognitive dissonance that would blow their soft little heads apart like kitten in microwave ovens.

accidentally put a knife or a fork in the microwave? Wow, great way to piss the wife off.

These hypocrisies currently on display by CONservative leaders should be pointed out. It's often not what they do, so much as it is what they say of the others who make the same mistakes.

I think the only values CONservatives have are hypocrisy, self-righteousness and greed.

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And, I would like to add, screwed up priorities are another Rupublicon hallmark. For example, getting upset over embroys getting discarded at the fertility clinic, but not batting an eye at the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis being violently killed.

Per the DC laws, prostitution is a crime and the prostitute and the customer are potential convicts. So per letter of law, he did do something wrong.

In my perverse liberal brain his worst crime is not screwing, its hypocrisy.

:)

But would bust implants and plastic surgery count as performance enhancing drugs?

Vitter is being attacked simply because he condemned in others what he was doing himself.

For making life hell for other people who did what he did himself.

For that he deserves only misery.

I haven't actually heard anyone here attacking the madam or the women who worked for her. Perhaps you could provide some links.

Otherwise, I have to suspect you of creating a deliberately false argument, defending what has not been attacked as a distraction from the real offense.

Links, please.

If this was someone who advocated keeping government out of people's bedrooms, then I'd completely agree with you. But this asswipe is one of these so-called "pro-family" nazis who uses calls for "traditional values" to win elections.

Once you hold yourself up as the moral exemplar of perfect family life, any skeletons in your closet are fair game. Anything.

And, anything that takes down a puke is worthwhile.

He advocates a style of living, expounds it and in private does just the opposite. Whether prostitution should or shouldn't be illegal is beside the point, it IS and always has been illegal. He has broken the law, hid it from his constituents (lie of omission) and plays the goody two-shoes. In my opinion, wrong from the get-go.

Because this was a "family values" man who wanted a President of the US to resign for doing the same thing!

Because this brings to light the hypocrisy of this man, those voters who support his issues, and the political party that supports him!

or something like that.

and one more thing:
at least Big Dog didn't have to pay for it

;)

:)

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We're not saying he's evil... only that he's a lying, soulless, evil hypocrite. Surely that's blatantly obvious.

He tried crucifying Clinton for his "immorality" which was no more immoral that what Vitter himself was doing. If a politician or any public figure comes out and says that sex is normal, and that to them it is ok to frequent sex workers or the like, I'm not going to say a word if they are seen in a red light district. BUT if a public figure says one thing, and does the opposite, and condemns others for what they themselves are doing, I have a BIG problem with that.

What he did was perpetrate a fraud of huge proportions. His trespass betrayed his spouse and the public, to whom he swore that he'd never dally, then he lied about that dalliance, then he attempted to cover up the lie, and then, when caught in his lie and eleven month affair, he showed just how hypocritical and lacking in honor he really is.

This is what he did wrong and the fact that his facilitator was a prostitute is a side issue.

Now that he's caught-should never have been elected-he needs to do the honorable thing and commit hari-kari, resign his office or whichever fits, acknowledge his hypocrisy and go and sin no more... and never again run for public office-he can't be trusted.

It wouldn't bother me--I haven no intention of fooling around. Who knows, maybe society would be more orderly? But I think there would be a lot of opposition to bringing back the scarlet letter.

Isn't it a stoning or something?

It appears that all fundamentalists listen to the same pipe-given the penchant of self-styled Muslim fundamentalists to favor such remedies.

(Sigh) The extremes we go to, to protect the fragile male ego.

and in people's minds that they will never see the light of day again. However, given the repressive paradigms the publlickers dig up and then apply to everyone but themselves, it wouldn't surprise me if they try.

I would like to see people learn to keep their promises better than we do. I think we would be much happier if we actually made it a point, minute by minute, to be the persons we pretend to be.

After re-reading your post, I get the impression you may have read something in my post that isn't there. I wouldn't suggest that his sins include the actual screwing around-that's merely a matter of honor-but in the promises he broke and the lies he lived.
When a human lives inside the web of lies he's told and promises broken, it manufactures that person, whether he notices it or not, and he becomes those lies.

That's how that little twisted pig of a man who calls himself president became himself.

As an interesting aside-do you know what the oldest profession really is?
Not prostitution, certainly, but the ministry. Religious leaders from millenia ago, whom we denigrate by calling "witch doctors," made the same claims, for pay, of having a direct line to the local deity as moderns do.

like you.

Its not a question of what they did. Its a question of them condemning other for doing the things they do. It is the hypocrisy. If they supported the legalization of prostitution and frequented a prostitute then we would have no argument with them. They would likely lose their base but we would have no ammunition against them.

left is right, up is down, and black is white...

Sorry, but I consider cheating on your spouse very wrong... But thats just me.

It's not a 'right vs wrong' issue, it is a LEGAL issue...

They broke the law and should be held accountable...

He broke laws that he himself supported.
He cheated on his wife.
He lied about it.


I think what he did should be legal. But that's not the same as saying he did nothing wrong.

You can't tell me you're a paragon or moral virtue and that Democrats are all libertines who are going to hell if you're fucking around on your wife, whether or not you're paying for the service.

I think operations like Martin's should be legalized. Hell, I think independent hookers should be licensed and treated like every other profession, with frequent health checks mandated.

However, the important thing to remember is that Vitters is not being outed as a sexual being. He is being outed as a prime HYPOCRITE.

Read that "whited sepulchre" verse again to find out why this distinction is important.

I don't disagree that Vitters is a hypocrite. I just wish more of the conversation concerned all the reasons it should be legal. Not necessarily on DU but in general.

And I appreciate your well put post. :)

Can you agree that he swindled his constituents who believed this campaign promise?

http://www.vitter2004.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=20
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Vitter Statement on Protecting the Sanctity of Marriage

This is a real outrage. The Hollywood left is redefining the most basic institution in human history, and our two U.S. Senators won’t do anything about it.

We need a U.S. Senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts’s values. I am the only Senate Candidate to coauthor the Federal Marriage Amendment; the only one fighting for its passage. I am the only candidate proposing changes to the senate rules to stop liberal obstructionists from preventing an up or down vote on issues like this, judges, energy, and on and on.” stated David Vitter.

It's also wrong in the eyes of the belief system he professes. Quite apart from that, it's hypocrisy of the highest order for him to be condemning everyone else's morals in the name of "family values" while banging a prostitute on the side.

Really, if he wants to frequent prostitutes while working as an elected official, he should work on changing the laws to make it legal AND stop worrying about what everyone else is doing in their own bedrooms.

In the meantime, I'm sure as Hell going to dance with glee that yet another Republican got caught violating the morals he so loudly professes.

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Villifying them, ruining their lives. That's what Republicans do, pass laws that destroy everybody else while they waltz away with no accountability at all. That's the issue.

Most of us at DU do not care if someone paid for sex.

But Vitter is a holier-than-thou Bible-thumping fundie.

Don't talk to me about the "sanctity of marriage" when you're cheating on your wife with a DC hooker.

what he did if he was a member of the "MORALS and VALUES" party. He should keep his nose out of other people's bedrooms and no one will look in his. It's that simple. The repukes started this shit. Now they can live with the Pandora's Box they opened.

When women are getting paid the same wages for doing the same work that men do, then I could see possibly entertaining a discussion of legalizing prostitution. Until then, I have to believe that economic desperation drives most prostitutes, and "free will" not so much a factor when women sell their bodies. It's an economic necessity for most of the women who do it.

Decriminalize? Maybe. Prosecute customers more vigourously? Yes. Reduce the demand and you will reduce the supply.

Do you mean what I think you mean?

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But seriously... Have anti-drug laws reduced the demand for drugs? I don't think law enforcement can be used to reduce demand for products or services.

until it was ready to be disclosed.

it is their hypocrisy about what they do.

If family values is their basic platform, condemning as this guy condemned Clinton for his transgressions, then are caught doing the same damn thing,

THAT is the problem.

If he had said of Clinton "That's a personal matter and not worthy of spending Congress's time on" I'd be the first to say the same of him.

I agree that prostitution should be legal. I am to a large degree a small "l" libertarian, especially when it comes to personal/social issues and what people do with their own bodies is none of the government's business, prostitution should fall under the heading of free enterprise.

However, for the time being, prostitution IS illegal in DC where th deeds went down. This asshat was no friend to social libertarians by a long shot, so his utter hypocracy reeks to high heaven.

Since sex acts seem to be the only thing anymore that rise to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors" needed for impeachment, I say throw the book at the SOB. Maybe if enough of these scumbag politicans get nailed, they will do something about changing the laws that govern all of us.