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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:28 PM Original message |
How does cutting off our left arm in the struggle for true democracy help? |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Unfortunately, even liberalism has its fundamentalist branches. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. I have not bashed either of these people, but I take liberties about bashing |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:37 PM Original message |
What you say is true.. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. Exactly. |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. I haven't seen anyone bashing Moore but isn't it obvious with Sheehan? |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. We hold the Democrats to a higher standard than hopeless repukes.. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. So, it's the "reason-minded" who call people "lunatics" when they stand up for the right thing? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Who here's been criticizing Michael Moore? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. I have no answer, all I can say is that as long as I've been on DU (since late 2001) |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. Suppressing criticism is a virtual guarantee of corruption |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I should maybe have phrased it as "us" against "it." |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Well said and aptly perceived n/t |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. It Doesn't... It Just Makes Us Swim In Circles... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. You're right. But how does it help for Cindy to bash people like Conyers? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. As I see it, she is demanding that Dems do more to fight the real enemy. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. She's a Dem, or she was. She can do more HERSELF to fight the real enemy. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I was asking about what greater good you see as being served, and how, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. But you're not getting that she's doing the exact same thing that |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. It was a question. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. She's devoting time to trashing the Dems as a party. I'm devoting time |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. (a) Sheehan cut herself off. From the party of slavery, dontchaknow... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. I think that "party of slavery" Rethug meme was the final straw for me. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Yup. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. I wasn't asking for more bashing. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. "We" are defending ourselves from her attacks. Why does it serve |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I don't think the OP realizes the things Sheehan said. |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Pointing out her words is not "denigrating her." She does that to herself. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Who started the bashing? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. A criticism and a bash are two different things |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Very true. n/t |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
14. That's a good point. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
21. Moore Was Being Trashed? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Yeah, the same sorts of things. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. He Caught Shit For Supporting Nader... |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. My question was not about these two individuals in particular. |
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knowledgeispwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Two things |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Yes, Easily Confusing |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
30. The Arm Is Fine. Just Cut Out The Festering Boils. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
37. define "we" |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. After reading through the comments, I think that defining "we" is what is at issue. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Great Post! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
41. And now they're moving |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
42. By chiseling off the left, |
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