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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:33 PM
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The simple fact that industrial hemp...
...and medicinal marijuana are not legal in the USA, after all these years, after all that we now know, and against the majority's wishes, is living proof that the USA is ran by corporate/military/fascists.

We are not "free".

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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:51 PM
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1. "Freedom"
could be argued but there is NO logical reason other than corporate suppression for hemp not to be grown as a alternate fuel source, paper making, clothing, food products and probably a thousand other uses. Same applies to medical marijuana being suppressed by big pharma, they sure as hell don't want anyone using something that a person could grow for themselves.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:45 AM
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14. I've been reading the "grow for themselves" argument
here for awhile. It seems to be a new (but also old) meme.

People can grow lettuce and tomatoes, how many do?
People can bake their own bread, how many do?
People can make their own alcohol, how many do?

While the answer to all of the above is that, "some do", overall it just seems to me to be a mostly empty argument.

Regulate and tax it, like booze. So, some will grow it for themselves. Big deal. Lots won't.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:55 PM
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2. Huh?
Care to point to national polls on legalizing industrial hemp? I haven't seen any. Same for medical marijuana--I know some ballot measures have passed, but that doesn't neccessarily translate as national support.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:00 PM
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3. heres a couple real quick
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:14 PM
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4. this says it all IMHO really. . .
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:46 PM
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5. The Cannabis issue is the touchstone of civil liberties in the USA
if the authorities can arrest and imprison you because you have a plant in your garden, than they can arrest you for anything. I believe its part of an indoctrination to be a modern American.
Also what is wrong is the bullying, intimidating and coercing of other countries by the American DEA.
Other countries like here in the Philippines, where the unrestricted cultivation of hemp would be such a environmentally friendly financial boost to the economy of the country.

Its ignorant and criminal. End the prohibition and the world will change dramatically forever.

Marijuana is the flower of peace, can I get an Amen?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:48 PM
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6. Amen
:)
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:48 PM
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7. Amen!!
Namaste

:smoke:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:50 PM
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8. Amen, and I dont even indulge....nt
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:53 PM
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9. AMEN my brother.
"End prohibition and the world will change dramatically forever" Yes, indeed.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:56 PM
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10. Peace to the Leaf!
:smoke:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:55 AM
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16. I'll give you an amen.
It's well past time to end marijuana prohibition. It's ridiculous, counter-productive, cruel, wasteful, and fundamentally counter to any rational concept of liberty and personal self-determination for consenting adults.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:58 PM
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11. Yeah, sick and ill people throwing themselves on the steps of our court houses begging . . .
for medical marijuana --

The Drug war is a crock -- drug running couldn't exist without the corruption of high govt officials and police enforcement --

We've been involved in drugs since at least the Golden Triangle/Thailand/VN --

Arresting sick people -- !!! Way to go America!!!

Meanwhile, hemp is a highly useful crop -- especially for paper and rope --
we have to bleach the paper we use -- you don't have to bleach hemp.

It also helps the environment to grow hemp -- good for the ozone layer.

Also -- makes GREAT clothing -- cool in summer -- war in winter -- wonderfully comfortable.
But -- we can't have it -- !!!???

Supposedly because it includes 1% element of marijuana -- but no one has shown that it could in any way be used as an intoxicant --

Nor has anyone ever died from using marijuana -- many have from simply using alcohol . . . long term and short term.

What a wonderful world this could be -- !!!


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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:58 AM
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13. I've got 1 and half hectres here on the mountain, and I'm just waiting for the day...
That I can plant every square meter. I hope I live to see that day.

Like that line from some movie..
"Son, you smell that? That sweet hempish smell? I love that smell, it reminds me of....VICTORY"
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:18 AM
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12. Rep. Ron Paul has recently introduced H.R. 1009:
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:52 AM
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15. I would have thought that with a plant that grows as well as hemp and marijuana...
it would be easy to completely overrun eradication efforts by Johnny-Appleseeding it all over the place. Once it got going and self-sowing, it would be as impossible to eradicate as dandelion.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:27 AM
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17. Tried that, too easily recognizable, the plants get reported or pulled...
and if you have them growing so remotely that nobody can detect them you cant render the care to separate the sexes and save the potency of the herb.

if you cant do that, its just ragweed.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:00 AM
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18. In 2008, will there be a choice in this matter?
Or will the only progressive anti drug war choice be a protest vote for a third party?

gOD BLESS the Dems, but can they please do the right thing? PLEASE!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:33 AM
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19. So true
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:17 AM
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20. I have hemp grocery bags...they are great...it is a shame that
the hemp can be grown here....
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