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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:25 AM
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Who is the biggest Hypocrite: Foley, Vitter, Haggard, Bob Allen, Fill in the blank
For me, it's a close tie between Vitter and Haggard. I'd probably tip towards Haggard because he had the nerve to climb on a pulpit and shake the bible betwen hits of Meth and supposed massages.

Foley didn't seem to be as big a family values supporter and the other three. Don't know as much about Bob Allen.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:11 AM
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1. E.
All the above.
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:23 AM
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2. I don't know....
If you look at the definition of hypocrisy in the dictionary, you get to see a picture of the leader of the evangelical movement taking it up the arse while doing meth after Sunday's sermon.

That my friend is pretty hard to match. Of course, going away for a few days and claim that you have had your drug addiction and gayness magically expelled from your only adds to the legend.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:21 AM
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3. Heading up the page protection group and creating laws to
limit pedophile predators while trying to polish underage young adult males' knobs is pretty well up there.

Going to the floor of the senate and screaming about the integrity and precious nature of heterosexual marriage, flaunting one's own credentials as a purveyor of "family values" while undermining those same supposed "values" rates pretty high, as well.
Gop-thy name is hypocrisy. The groping old perverts seem so laced with hypocrisy, top to bottom, that it's difficult to determine to whom to award the prize.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:33 AM
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4. The thing is none of them view this as hypocrisy
I never thought about this perspective but then I'm an atheist.
http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/night_hunter?tx=3
<snip>
Indeed, if he indeed takes this deeply Southern culture of sin and redemption to which he falls heir in any way seriously, he'll resign. But he will not then have admitted himself a "hypocrite"—he won't have believed one thing and done another. He will have succumbed to the temptation of evil, the guilt gnawing at him all the while. His redemption could only come through via genuine sacrifice and struggle. Maybe he'd come back as a successful politician. Maybe he wouldn't. But if he did, it's entirely likely that his constituency would bestow upon him more loyalty and affection than before. That's the culture of sin and redemption, too. Once was lost, now I'm found: that's grace. In Christianity, that's a good thing.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:48 AM
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5. That really nails it to the wall.
Having been raised in a very conservative family, very church going, and then become a licensed and ordained minister during my own growth into reality, I can vouch for that view as genuine for a certain percentage of worshipers.

My ex boss - the last time I had a boss - was a pretty good, altogether unique, Lutheran. He talked all the time, even to the point of lay preaching, and laced his speech with a continual stream of profanity and lewd epithets as well as delivering hoary old "wise and pithy" homilies and consigning peoples' souls to hell then threatening to put them there.

His excuse for some of his bullshit was that he would ask for forgiveness, his "immortal soul" was in no danger. His most memorable line was, as he was delivering a spiritual lecture to a customer, "I'll prove it to you; it says it right here in the fuckin' bible" He was actually a very sweet man, generous to a fault and wanted to help everybody.

John Dean described the authoritarian mind and detailed the same structural oddities with their ability to compartmentalize each episode in their lives so they can hold two competing ideas in their heads and believe intensely in both.

In most cases-non politicians, that is-it seems that they just cannot see the hypocrisy in themselves and are outraged if anyone should try to point it out.
The very last thing they could be guilty of would be hypocrisy and they so committedly believe this "fact" the possibility just does not exist.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:36 PM
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10. I never gave that perspective any thought
but when you think about it - it's perfect. Do anything you want and assume that your god has forgiven you since 'sin is as normal as breathing'.

I wonder how this god of theirs deals with serial offenders? :D

The other thing is that they did not assume that this god of theirs might also 'forgive' Bill Clinton. Pity they can't see the hypocrisy - I sure can.
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slank Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:04 AM
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6. Republican, hypocrisy is thy middle name
You know, if you are going to set up or espouse some behavioral standard you should at least be able to meet the minimum test of it.

Are they hypocrites?

Are they arrogant?

Are they stupid?

i vote for all of the above.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:04 AM
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7. Hands down Haggard
The pulpit is more powerful than the podium.

Foley is the creepiest, however. :)
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:05 AM
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8. the entire GOP
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:41 AM
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9. what do you get when you combine fascists, Pharisees, and bigots.
the republican party.
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