Christian fundy caller: "I'm not intolerant, BUT..."

Some idiot fundie caller to a local RW talk show this morning was complaining about the Hindu prayer in Congress this week. He then went on to say "It's not that I'm intolerant of other religions, because we have freedom of religion in the Constitution. BUT this country chose the Judeo-Christian faith, and if we move away from this, then we will lose out on God's blessings."

Can't we just portion off some remote, non-important part of the country, and give these idiots their own homeland? Get them the hell out of our lives, and let them do what they want. I swear to god, these people annoy the hell out of me.

:shrug:

I'd want assurance of safe passage on the interstate to Florida. I'd rather give them Texas because.... really, who wants to go there and you can get to Mexico from other states.

I'd give them nearly any state just to get them out of the non-moron world. Also, within 5 years they'd be mostly all dead. Victims of their own intolerance.

before they found that Gas Chambers were more efficient.

Which the First Amendment expressly forbids our country to do?

How do you argue with someone whose idea of "proof" is that "it's written in the Bible"?

Missed it too. Thought I was pretty good about voting on issues, but damn, must have missed the election where we chose State religion to follow. ;)

Christ was his only son, so we can assume He spoke English, therefore we can claim we are a "Christian Nation." See? I don't know why I have to explain this...isn't it obvious? :crazy:

Or should that be oblivious?

for that to even approach obvious.;)

Made this a Christian nation only, and no other view on the subject is ever allowed. If you challenge them, then you will become ignorant for not being smart enough to follow their cherry-picked writings of the Founding Fathers and you are not allowed to use anything the Founding Fathers wrote to contradict their claims. You will be accused of taking things out of context and have swallowed lies from the liberal agenda.

I live in one of those red states and I know that this country was founded on Freedom of Religion.

We're all PURPLE states, some with more red, some with more blue. The divide, if there is one, is between rural and urban. This graphic only serves to further divide us.

The country is too large to exist as a single, political entity.

All expansive empires eventually fall because they become too large to effectively reflect the wishes of the populace. In addition, the bureaucratic requirements of an over-sized organization (or nation) produce too much power wielded for the benefit of too few.

Lincoln should have let the slave states leave.

Uh oh :popcorn:

oh sure throw oil on a fire in the middle of a crowded theater and sit back and eat popcorn



LOL....I assume from the popcorn that you are not serious.

You assumed right ;)

They are considerably more "red" than any Southern state.

Were those "slave" states, too? Um... considering most weren't in existance, I think not.

Hell, even the essence of your post is fucking idiotic. Do you think EVERYONE in the South and mid-West votes Republican? I live in the South. I don't. Neither does my husband, neither does my mother, or hubby's family. So - I guess you'd be incorrect on that.

I understand wanting to be separated from the dumbfucks, but the problem is that they're in EVERY state - not just red ones.

Kidding! Just kidding! :hi:

P.S. Did you know that when you run "Dumbfuckistan" through spell check, the two suggested spellings you get are "Dumbfounded" and "Tombstone"?

"Tombstone"??? :wtf:

People need to be reminded, regardless of how embarrassing it might be.

When I first saw that map after 2004, I emailed to everyone I know, with interesting results. :-)

We have a Democratic Governor and one of the strongest Dem voices in the US Senate in the case of Jim Webb. It's a cute little graphic, but not particularly constructive.

in turn I sent him this one:

... as long as the church is Christian.

They were warned of this blowback, but they're too fucking short-sighted to get it.

with some fundies I know. I tried to ask them how they would feel if the majority religion were something else - I often used Buddhism in my example - and if the state tried to enforce that religion onto them, and followed it to an extreme how would they feel. They never get it.

Are Catholics X-tians?

:wink: Pass that caramel corn over here, thanx :popcorn:

At least, that's what I learned from reading Chick pamphlets.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

I was always taught that our nation was founded so that we could have freedom of religion and that the "state" did NOT choose a faith.

That was the WHOLE reason the English came to this country. Geesch.

Any time someone starts a sentence like that, you know what's coming is exactly what the speaker is claiming not to be...

Most Christians believe that if a nation tuns their back backs on God, then God will turn His back on them. They go back to the Blessings and Curses of Duet. 28 and pretty much everything that the prophets saif.


The problem with the notion is the gross assumption that this was a metaphor for all nation-states, rather than the particular tribes Moses and the prophets had as their audience.


Throw in a healthy does of patriotism and a dash of xenophobia and other phobias any you have the religious right. Truth of the matter is that God<'s blessing on any country, if it ever existed fell apart with Jack-booted European Imperialism and in the case of the US with the slave trade and the trail of tears,[br />

It makes for great symbolism and sermonizing and raising all sort of dire prediction designed to raise money,, but it has bo basis in Scripture.


It is foolishness to be sure....but is has been going on for a couple of millenia now and we seem to have survived.


Now as to your suggestion of a homeland for Christians.......Isn't that pretty much what the Nazis wanted to do with the Jews before they decided to send the to the showers instead?

God did not withdraw his blessings when we imported slaves, gave smallpox blankets to native americans, shot strikers with machine guns, imprisoned japanese americans, lynched blacks, napalmed vietnamese children, abetted mexico in creating a final solution to its population problem by creating an unwelcomed guest worker class, ginned up an invasion of Iraq that has killed and displaced millions, and enthusiastically destroyed the middle and working classes in a race to compete with third world nations.

But let a Hindu get up in Congress and praise truth over ignorance and God will strike all of us down.


Yeah, I buy that.


BTW, the XRtian dominionists want non-dominionists to have a homeland too. They figure to parcel it out in six foot increments.

While my suggestion was made tongue-in-cheek, your Nazi comparison isn't really fair.

First of all, in my hypothetical "Fundistan" homeland (let's just for shits and giggles say that it's carved out of North Dakota or Idaho), it would be voluntary. It would be their own autonomous region, they could migrate there voluntarily. Kind of like "here you guys go, do what you want". Nobody would be loaded up into boxcars and moved there against their will. Secondly, nobody's talking about a "final solution" for Christian fundamentalists.

:popcorn:

"Hey here is an idea there is this whole slew of land that really is beautiful....would you be interest in swapping the land you live on and we want to grow cotton for this land over here with all this cool stuff like buffaloes and mountains", by making this swap we can help keep your culture pure."

We forced Native Americans onto reservations. Once again, this tongue-in-cheek idea doesn't involve forced relocations. Nobody would be forced to move there. But if they want to practice their own brand of Christian theocracy, that would be where they could do it, without disrupting the rest of us.

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Okay. I want to forcibly round up all fundamentalist Christians, shove them into boxcars, then ship them thousands of miles to a reservation against their will. Then after we build enough giant ovens, I want to start working on the "final solution" for all of them.

That's exactly what I meant.

:sarcasm:

I guess in the future, when I go on a rant about intolerant Rethugs, I should check with you before I post something in frustration that might be considered offensive. I really don't see how the fanciful idea of a separate voluntary Christian homeland, where they could go voluntarily and not bother us - I don't see how that equates with the notion of Nazi death camps. Some people are just no fun whatsoever.

"Can't we just portion off some remote, non-important part of the country, and give these idiots their own homeland? Get them the hell out of our lives, and let them do what they want. I swear to god, these people annoy the hell out of me.


All this guy said is that God's blessing has some dependencies.

You want to give these people their own homeland so they won't bother you. How is that not inolerant of the views of others. even if they are non-sensical. What would you think if they said we ought to portion off some remote area of Idaho for all the Atheist. so that they will not annoy us anymore? Or the Gays? or the Abortion crowd, or liberals?

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion.... I just thought the language is incendiary regardless of who the minority or majority might be.

So the guy voice a wrong-headed opinion, we both agree on that...why is it something that makes you so angry that you want to do do something like this "to ge them the hell out of our lives"?

ANd besides you should at least give them a big city like Denver or Atlanta or something. Even Stupid Christians need jobs.

The caller wasn't just saying that "God's blessing has some dependencies". His take was that we shouldn't even be allowing non-Christian prayer on the House floor. That this was a Judeo-Christian nation. It's basically the attitude of "we'll tolerate other religions, as long as they keep quiet".

These types of people want to force their views on the rest of us. These are the people who want to force Creationism in public schools, and want to outlaw homosexual behavior. They are quite intent on trying to use the political system to impose their morality on everyone else.

As for your examples, neither the atheists, gays, abortion-rights crowd, or anyone else is trying to impose their will on anyone else. Atheists might object to a Hindu prayer on the House floor, but they're going to object to any prayer on the House floor, because they believe in separation of church and state. That's a far cry from saying that only Christians should be allowed to give prayers in the House.

It's a mere, whimsical, lighthearted attempt on the part of well-intentioned folk who merely want what's best for you. And hey- we've survived 2,000 years of this crap, like the Spanish Inquisition. How bad can it be?

Meanwhile, you inability to accept these folks running your life, brainwashing your kids, outlawing your birth control, etc. etc. is deeply intolerant! It is their sincere belief that we would all be better off under a Strict, "Biblical Law"-based, Christian Theocracy. Why, Why, WHY must you be so intolerant of others???

:eyes: :sarcasm: :eyes:

you're either in serious denial, or you haven't been paying attention.

Here, I'll spell it out for you:

The Religious Right doesn't want to throw themselves in prison for having or giving abortions; they want to do it to everyone else.

The Religious Right doesn't want to throw themselves in jail for having consensual adult gay sex (or, really, ANY consensual adult sex for non-procreative purposes or outside of the confines of a Christ-Centric Marriage) ... they want to impose that shit on the rest of us.

The Religious Right doesn't want to outlaw contraception just for themselves, and encourage Pharmacists to lecture only them about Jesus instead of filling birth control prescriptions.. They want to do that to the rest of us.

The Religious Right doesn't only want to teach their own kids some half-assed fairy tales about "Creationtelligent Design", or the Earth being 6,000 years old and Dinosaurs on "Noah's Ark"... they want to teach ALL our kids that baloney, and they want to do it in public school "science" class.

The Religious Right doesn't want to take a poop on the Constitution, and particularly the first Amendment, only insofar as it applies to them. They want to do it to ALL of us.

The Religious Right doesn't want to deny themselves life-saving cures obtained by stem cell reserach; they want to do it to ALL of us.

The Religious Right doesn't only want to ladle a bunch of idiotic "Abstinence Only" crap into their own kids' heads, while denying them information about and access to contraception; they want to do it to ALL of us.

The Religious Right doesn't want to censor material by and for consenting adults for themselves. They want to tell the rest of us what we can watch or read in our own homes.

The Religious Right doesn't want to guarantee themselves an open-ended amount of needless suffering should they face a terminal illness; no, they want to be sure that the rest of us aren't able to choose a pain-free, dingified exit on our own, as opposed to letting "God Decide".





... Now. What part of "getting them the hell out of our lives" can't you seem to grasp?

Nice job on pointing it out!

You bring a bit of sense and true values based on respect for ALL peoples rights to this thread!


NICE JOB! I am glad I read your post, Maybe the DU has a few people I can relate to after all!


GO CLINTON.

It's actually going on in South Carolina.

There, a group of Christian Fundamentalists called
"Christian Exodus" are trying to get enough of a
critical mass going that they can either secede
or form a defacto state of secession where they
simply ignore the First Amendment's restrictions
on religion.

See:

o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Exodus

Tesha

It will still be part of the USA and the state of South Carolina. Fifteen families sounds like a cult, not a movement.

Sounds like we might be in for another Waco-style incident in a few years.

the birth control pill, force the teaching of Creationism and a 6,000 year old Earth in public school "Science" class... it's all mere "foolishness" that should be "tolerated".

But when any of us suggest that maybe these fucking rimjobs should do it somewhere else, and stop fucking up OUR secular government... we're Nazis?

I just think the suggested solution is inappropriate if we are calling them intolerant.

You're damned right. I am intolerant. I am intolerant of those who want to take us back to a Middle Ages mentality. I'm intolerant of people who look down on people simply because of the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, their gender, etc.

So if you want to accuse me of having a double standard, then yes - I am intolerant!

Most don't.

I have very deep concerns aBOUT THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT. but they are religious/theology concerns rather than political..... I am convinced that the last election was a watershed and because of the loss of Falwell , the age of Robertson and Dobson and the political castration of Tom DeLay the coalition at a national level is done.
Not one GOP candidate went to Falwell's funeral

At the local level my concerns is still there I aam doing all I can to defeat them from within the Christian community, but my theology demands that I take a Christian Tact. I recognize that does not sit well with DUers, but tolerance is at the heart of the Massage of Christ and I am not about to adopt the tactics of the relifious right or the radical left to break through to these people.

business. That what a consenting adult does with his or her own body is his or her own business, insofar as he or she isn't harming or endangering anyone else. That what a consenting adult wants to smoke, drink, eat, watch, read, masturbate to, and who he or she wants to screw is his or her own business as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult. That SCIENCE should be taught in public school science classes, and that barring massive amounts of new, contradictory evidence evolution is a FACT, the Earth is as surely 4.7 Billion Years old as it is round, and if you want to teach kids fairy tales about Noah and Dinosaurs, do it in Sunday School - not public school.

Do that, and I wager these pinheaded, knuckledragging, busybody creationist Jesus-addled religious right fucklenucks won't WANT to live here, anymore.

It sinks and ides a quick death everytime

:patriot:

Someday, everyone else will catch up.

You pretty much put that guy in a box....And me without a hammer and nails....Wait, I will go get a few!

Love how these intolerant anti-religious bigots spew out hatred as if there are no Christian Democrats!

Pathetic to say the least!

You handled this well, I thank you for giving me a glimmer of an enlightened and sensible veiw in this post so dark and bigotted!

:>)

GO CLINTON!

we don't want to miss out!

:eyes:

n/t

:argh:

Who Would Jesus Discriminate Against?

They are asshats, but they are also asshats with a record now.

As a Jew I have no desire to be dragged into the myopic worldview of people like Dobson.

I supect they add "Judeo" because they can't justify their theocracy without genuflecting towards Mount Sinai.

The Jews will come later.

At least those folks are honest:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/texas_gop.htm

We're just the one group the fundamentalists are willing to appear tolerant about in public.

NT

Perhaps then we'll rid ourselves of this tradition.

Actually, someone needs to pray to Allah in there, that will set off the religious right. Maybe then some of them will understand, we don't have state sponsored religion, and if you can pray in the Senate, public school, etc, then you have to be able to pray to anyone/anything. Be it Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Wiccan, etc.

That is where their duty really lies.

It would be a much nicer place if they were all Raptured out of sight.

Conservative Christian of any stripe. I also hear "I don't hate homosexuals, BUT..." quite a bit online.

:(

:thumbsup:

"It's not that I'm intolerant of other religions, because we have freedom of religion in the Constitution. BUT this country chose the Judeo-Christian faith, and if we move away from this, then we will lose out on God's blessings."



:crazy: :banghead:

who doesn't believe in my personal version of Jeebus, taught to me by Pat "I am the Word of God" Robertson.



A lobotomy is the only cure.
:dunce: