Even Bill O is against the war, thats saying something

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/OReilly_takes_on_Tony_Snow_You_0713.html

O'Reilly takes on Tony Snow, 'You can't win' in Iraq
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Friday July 13, 2007



Fox News' Bill O'Reilly promised his audience "the truth about Iraq" on Thursday, saying that most Americans now feel the war has not been worth the costs, while "the president's argument for sustaining the war is largely theoretical."

O'Reilly turned on his special guest during the segment, White House press secretary Tony Snow, saying, "You can't win ... unless the Iraqi people turn on all the terrorists. And they're not."

O'Reilly said he agreed with the president that defeat in Iraq could harm the US but said that "enough is enough." The populist pundit who, according to his Wikipedia entry hasn't been a registered Republican since 2000, added that the American people are as exhausted by this war as they ultimately were by Vietnam, and also that "the Iraqi government is incompetent and "the people themselves largely ungrateful."

"The whole thing is tragic and depressing, complicated and dangerous," O'Reilly concluded. "After more than four years, Iraq remains a huge stone around America's neck."

O'Reilly then turned to former Fox anchor Snow, who argued that "Iraqi security forces ... are increasingly on the front lines" and that the Iraqi people have chosen the Iraqi government over al Qaeda and are saying "thank you" to the Americans.

As Snow continued to insist that the Iraqis will support the American troops if they seem them standing up to protect them, O'Reilly countered him with the analogy of Vietnam. "We don't have the hearts and minds there," said O'Reilly. "It's like South Vietnam. ... We had a lot of South Vietnamese helping us ... but there wasn't enough of them."

Snow then offered the argument that by remaining in Iraq, the president is fulfilling his responsibility to protect America. He said, "Everybody wishes al Qaeda didn't want to kill us, but they do," and backed that up with the assertion that "you saw that in Glasgow a couple of weeks ago." This was a reference to recent car bomb attacks that British reports have indicated were inspired by but not directly linked to al Qaeda.

Snow finally suggested that Americans are discouraged because, instead of stories about progress in Iraq, "people see scenes of dead American soldiers." However, the New York Times has reported that "A survey last year found that in a six-month period in which 559 Americans and Western allies died, almost no pictures were published of the American dead in the mainstream print media."

Sam Waterston was on his show Tuesday night, and from the fan boards I frequent, O'Reilly treated him with respect, which in and of itself I found shocking, as Sam is a self-described moderate (but liberal on things like the environment and international relations).

I know some here think that Unity08 will either have little impact or will draw away Dems. I see it as just as likely, if not moreso, to draw away conservatives from whatever Repuke they put up. Dems have, by and large, learned the lesson of Nadar/2000 and are more likely to vote for our candidate.

There are many who threaten to not vote or vote 3rd party.

O'Reilly was one of the FIRST to advocate comparing liberals and anti-war advocates to terrorists, saying we were no better than Al Qaeda, and he was very proud of it. He even led a boycott against France (an unsuccessful one at that) because they said that they weren't going to put any troops against Iraq. If he's suddenly on our side, I'm not buying it.

Occupation I should say...

He's been attacking us left and right for saying that this war is not winnable. Now he's suddenly saying the same thing. Can you say flip-flopper?

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Nuff Said.

I'd be more impressed if he publicly apologized to all the people he attacked for opposing the war before he got on the bandwagon.

Hannity and Rush keep going with the same tired act.

You were one of the FoxNoise, lock-step, drum-pounding war cheerleaders. 3,000+ dead GIs later you think "oops" is going to make it all better? FUCK YOU, YOU SLIMY CHICKENHAWK PIECE OF SHIT!

First we bombed the shit out of them, then invaded their country, then killed them by the thousands and still they have the nerve to be ungrateful. Imagine that!

I bet his ratings are in the toilet for being a pro-Bush, Pro-War talk show chump and it is hurting him in his wallet. So he flips sides overnight and hopes to get more veiwers and listeners by taking the more popular side of an issue. I seem to recall him being extremely Pro War and calling anyone against the war a "terrorist Sympathizer just a few shoprt weeks ago. Apparently he has forgotten the election year of 2004 when he called John Kerry a flip flopper every chance he got.....He is now deserving of the same scorn he spewed out at Kerry. And just for the record, OWrongly has issues of sexual harrassment of an employee hanging over his head...I heard the tapes...They were HILARIOUS! Phone sex by Bill Owrongly...Now flip flopping too! Combine that with his buddy Limbaughs drug use and constant untrue and debunked little factoids and you are left with a big void in thr Repub's talk show quality....Hannity...LOL...I must admit I do like Joe Scarborough...He blasts repus when it is due them. He is not nearly as bad as the others!

FLIP FLOP OREILLY! Has a nice ring to it!