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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:57 PM
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Impeachment: the next election vs. history
If impeachment proceedings are started, Republicans might be relieved and vote quickly to impeach for exactly the reason Pelosi is holding back: once Bush and Cheney are out of office, they will be out of mind, exactly the way Nixon and Agnew were after they resigned. 1976 between Carter and Ford was a squeaker when it should have been a landslide in the face of Nixon's crimes and foot-dragging on ending the Vietnam War. Nixon might have been in the minds of those who read and discussed politics, but not the broad masses of people.

Another unfortunately parallel is LBJ in 1968. Though he won in a landslide in 1964, Vietnam forced him to step aside in 1968. Since he was still in office election day, what people disliked about him wasn't an abstract memory but something as immediate as that night's evening news (back when it was still worth watching). Even though Humphrey moved to an anti-war position, Nixon not only wiped him out, but an even further right candidate, George Wallace, got a big chunk of the vote.

Both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress are older than me and remember these pieces of history.

While this analysis is accurate as far as determining the outcome of the next election, if it gives Bush and Cheney a pass on impeachment, the damage to our constitutional system may be permanent, and their sins will be swept under the carpet, and history rewritten that much more easily.

Most Americans are still only vaguely aware of the impeachable offenses of Bush and Cheney given the page A14 treatment they get in newspapers and near blackout on TV news. Those same outlets could elevate him to at least an average president over time if not the near deity status of Reagan.

By contrast, if he is impeached, fifty to a hundred years from now, Bush and Cheney will be members of a very small historical club that includes Clinton, Nixon, and Andrew Johnson. When grade school kids look at the list of charges against Bush and Cheney in their history books, they will wonder what all the fuss was about the other three, and when a future president takes more than half a step in the same anti-democratic, militarily aggressive direction, people will remember that grade school text and pull back on his leash hard.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:19 PM
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1. man, did I fart in church here?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:20 PM
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2. No, you're just talking to burnt out people. Bookmarking for
my next spurt of energy. Thanks, yurbud.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:23 PM
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3. Kick
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:47 PM
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6. kick
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:27 PM
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4. Fart in church... hehe that's what it feels like sometimes
I posted a thread with a few of the same points but the only reply I got was I didn't format the text the way the reader liked it... I also mentioned in my thread that yes we don't have the votes, yes it's an impossible task and yes the odds are against us, America used to be known for facing uphill battles against all odds to fight for truth, and freedom, too bad that country is gone...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:35 PM
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7. I'm kind of burned out myself. Once Bush's approval dropped below 50%, I was off the24/7 adrenaline

high.

Now I'm just disappointed that the clean up crew in congress isn't doing their duty.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:36 PM
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8. I wish I could nominate your tread one more time
Posterity is very important.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:02 PM
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13. thanks
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:04 PM
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14. I'll Do It For Ya !!!
K & R !!!

:kick:
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:29 PM
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5. Agree. There are many reasons to impeach. Not many reasons to avoid the issue. And
setting the impeachment bar as high as the GWB administration is an unworthy and unprecedented standard.

We owe my grandkids (none yet) and the history books a proper perspective.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:43 PM
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10. it's like not charging Jeffrey Dahmer with murder. prosecutors feel kind of silly doing the run of
the mill domestic violence murders after that.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:26 PM
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12. Lovely analogy n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:42 PM
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9. K&R
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:24 PM
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11. No farts in church. Just another kick and another R
Good post. I hope it inspires just one more person ...... cuz one by one we'll get there.
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