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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:00 PM
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Claiming Executive Privilege: Clinton Did It Too!

Executive Privilege Invoked For Two Aides
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 21, 1998; Page A01

President Clinton has invoked executive privilege in an effort to keep two of his top aides from having to testify fully in independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's investigation of the Monica S. Lewinsky matter, sources said yesterday.

A team of lawyers for the president, along with Starr and seven prosecutors, presented oral arguments during a closed hearing before U.S. Chief Judge Norma Holloway Johnson yesterday afternoon. Attorneys for Clinton also asserted the attorney-client privilege in their effort to prevent Starr from questioning White House aides, according to sources knowledgeable about the proceedings.

By claiming executive privilege, Clinton is setting the stage for a constitutional battle over the president's ability to protect the secrecy of his discussions with close advisers. The privilege was established on the theory that certain conversations should remain private to ensure the president receives candid and uncensored advice. But it is rarely invoked, and ultimately, if no compromise is reached, the disagreement could reach the Supreme Court and clarify what have long been imprecise rules governing president confidentiality.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/privilege032198.htm


The nerve! How dare him to attempt to claim executive privilege!


President Is Denied Executive Privilege
By Peter Baker and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 6, 1998; Page A01

A federal judge has ruled that President Clinton cannot use the power of his office to block prosecutors from questioning his senior aides, rejecting Clinton's assertion of executive privilege in the Monica S. Lewinsky investigation, lawyers familiar with the decision said yesterday.

In a ruling issued under court seal Monday, Chief U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson concluded that independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's need to collect evidence in his obstruction of justice probe outweighs Clinton's interest in preserving the confidentiality of White House discussions, the lawyers said.

The decision made Clinton the first president to take a claim of executive privilege to court and lose since the dramatic Watergate showdown in 1974, when the Supreme Court unanimously ordered Richard M. Nixon to turn over the secret Oval Office tapes that ultimately led to his resignation. Clinton's case also seems headed for the high court as sources indicated that the White House likely will appeal.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr050698.htm


Er...nevermind.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:02 PM
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1. His penis claimed it
We aim for accuracy around here.
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:08 PM
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9. Duh. That went without saying.
Damn clenis.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:04 PM
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2. Personally ...

Personally, I believe that DIRECT conversations with the president should be protected. That is unless the president's action is such a conversation would constitute a crime.

However, the Supreme Court has ruled on this issue. Clinton lost and his aids testified. There is no need for legal wrangling. This is a settled issue. Bush's aids HAVE to testify. That is ... unless Scalia and Thomas do a flip flop if this reaches the Supreme Court (very likely).





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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:09 PM
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3. Count on the flip flop and add to it, Roberts and Alito...
Those four know exactly why their on the Court. IOKIYAR....
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:13 PM
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4. In any setting that would be considered official government business...
no President shall have the right to keep the business private, as if it were a conversation with their loved ones.

If there should be a conversation that is private, yet needed in a criminal setting, then it should be treated no higher than any of our own conversations that are private until a warrant or other lawful authorization compels that to become public in the name of justice, and to enhance the truth.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:10 PM
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7. No, Never. There is no such thing as executive privilege.
If Congress subpoenas testimony, nothing can be hidden from the public.

EVER!!
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:01 PM
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8. I didn't say there was ...

I did not say there was. I believe that there SHOULD be such a privilege. The Busheviks take this over the top but I do believe that the President DOES need the ability to get candid advice from his advisor's without fear of that advice becoming public. Every other conversation in my opinion should be fair game.

Come now, did we really all feel this way when Clinton was president?

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:50 PM
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10. I, for one, think that the people of the US deserve and need to know
what their government is doing to/for them. Whatever it might be. You and the Chimp may believe in the divine right of kings, but I don't.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:45 PM
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5. Er, could you forward this on...
...to someone in the media? Because in all the discussions I've seen, I have yet to hear anyone bring up this very relevant item.

At the very least, Olbermann might say something about it. Not so sure about any of the others, but hey, it's worth a shot.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:00 PM
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6. Shameless kick. Is 5 posts the best this gets?
THERE IS A PRECEDENT HERE!

I thought about going back to Nixon and shaking out reports on his attempts to assert EP but...
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