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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:09 PM
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Obama, mentored by Joe Lieberman, "distancing himself" from Durbin (The Nation 4/7/06)
Obama: As He Rises, He Falls
Alexander Cockburn

~ excerpt ~

I was harsh about Senator Barack Obama of Illinois here a couple of weeks ago, and the very next morning his press aide, Tommy Vietor, was on the phone howling about inaccuracies. It was an illuminating conversation.

Obama's man took grave exception to my use of the phrase "distancing himself" to describe what his boss had done when Illinois's senior senator, Dick Durbin, got into trouble for likening conditions at Guantánamo to those in a Nazi or Stalin-era camp. This was one of Durbin's finer moments, and he duly paid the penalty by having to eat crow on the Senate floor.

His fellow senator, Obama, did not support him in any way. Obama said, "We have a tendency to demonize and jump on and make mockery of each other across the aisle, and that is particularly pronounced when we make mistakes. Each and every one of us is going to make a mistake once in a while...and what we hope is that our track record of service, the scope of how we've operated and interacted with people, will override whatever particular mistake we make." That's three uses of the word "mistake." This isn't distancing?

(snip)

Hence Vietor's sensitivity to the allusion in my column to Obama's "mentor" being Senator Joe Lieberman. As a freshman senator, Vietor insisted, Obama had been assigned Lieberman as mentor. Read the Hartford Courant and you'll find Lieberman boasting that Obama picked him.

Either way, it's obvious that Obama could have brokered a different mentor if he'd so desired, the same way he could have declined to go and tout for Lieberman at that Democratic Party dinner in Connecticut at the end of March. But he clearly didn't, because he wanted to send out a reassuring signal, in the same way he's doing with his PAC, the Hopefund, which is raising money for fourteen of his senate colleagues. According to BlackCommentator, ten of them are DLC--half the DLC presence in the Senate.

Continued @ http://www.thenation.com/docprem.mhtml?i=20060508&s=cockburn



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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:20 PM
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1. Considering that Obama and Lieberman are at complete odds over the Iraq war,
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 12:21 PM by Connie_Corleone
it doesn't really matter if Lieberman was his mentor. Obama is obviously not following down Lieberman's path.

And Durbin endorsed Obama's run for president this year, so what's the point of posting an article from 2006?
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:25 PM
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5. Not following Lieberman's path? His response to impeachment:
Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on impeaching President George W. Bush. I appreciate and share your high level of dissatisfaction and frustration with the President, his actions and his priorities. I disagree with him on many issues, ranging from the war in Iraq to the future of Social Security to funding our children's schools.

I support robust Congressional investigations into his administration and the highly questionable actions it has taken in areas such as domestic spying and the U.S. attorney firings. He has horribly mismanaged the rebuilding of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. The Democratic Congress has achieved important progress this year, but we are still stymied by a President who is out of sync with the American people, vetoing legislation to responsibly get us out of Iraq and to support increased stem cell research.

America needs to move forward again, and I don't believe that continuing this era of bitter partisanship is the best course of action. As I travel the country campaigning, I hear the call for a new direction and a change in our politics, a thirst for something more. I don't believe impeachment answers this call. I believe if we begin impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunctional. We would once again, rather than attending to the people's business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, non-stop circus.

Instead, I will continue to move forward with a positive agenda in the Senate and on the campaign trail. I hope you will stay involved and work for progress on the issues that matter most to you. Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,


Barack Obama


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1316953




There was also another recent thread (sorry, I don't have the link) where it was stated that, when questioned by a reporter, Obama said that (I'm paraphrasing as I don't remember exactly what he said) bush hadn't done anything gravely serious enough to warrant impeachment.

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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:37 PM
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9. I already know about his answer to impeachment.
I disagree with Obama on impeachment, but that still doesn't put him in the same category as Lieberman.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:40 PM
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12. So you don't mind his comparing a potential impeachment of bush to "bitter partisanship"?
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 02:00 PM by Sapphire Blue
Edited to add: "bitter partisanship" sounds exactly like Lieberman.

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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:39 PM
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11. Sounds more like he's following Gore's path on impeachment
which was posted here yesterday.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:11 PM
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19. So being against impeachment means you're just like Lieberman?
Wow, I guess the vast majority of Congress is nothing more than Lieberman clones. :eyes:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:14 PM
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21. It's his wording that really bothers me, his referring to it as "bitter partisanship"...
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 02:18 PM by Sapphire Blue
... his not acknowledging bush's high crimes and misdemeanors, not acknowledging that bush has done anything gravely serious.

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:24 PM
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28. I don't like it either. But he's not pro-war or pro-surveillance like Joe is.
Obama isn't as liberal as I'd like. But he's much closer to my personal beliefs than Joe Lieberman ever was.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:20 PM
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24. Have the other candidates come out for impeachment?
Aside from Kucinich. Has yours?
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:22 PM
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26. Again, it's Obama's wording that really bothers me.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:34 PM
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30. You know what *really* bugged me about this email
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 03:42 PM by tbyg52
which I received also.

You cannot reply to the address it came from. no-reply@barackobama.com

Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but that just struck me as "you asked, I answered, now shut up."



Edited to say that as I was processing the email neglected since Sunday, I found another one with an address that doesn't say "no-reply." So I changed the title to "Impeachment" and I replied as follows:

Woo hoo, an address that might take replies.

I really resented receiving an answer to my questions on impeachment of Cheney and Bush from no-reply@barackobama.com . What does that mean, "shut up"?

I strongly suspect you do not correctly understand the situation in our country regarding the Bush/Cheney cabal. I am not a lawyer, but I have read the Constitution.

Please reconsider your position on impeachment.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:30 PM
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6. And why did Obama campaign for Lieberman against Lamont?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:36 PM
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8. The same reason other Democrats in the Senate did.
Once Lieberman lost the primary, Obama's PAC gave money to Lamont's campaign.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:38 PM
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10. So he followed the crowd; not what a leader does.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:12 PM
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20. No, he showed respect for his Senate colleague.
And when Lieberman lost the primary, instead of saying "win-win" like the Clintons, Obama gave money to Lamont.

Your logic is taking a day off.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:17 PM
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23. Sorry, I was following your logic. (Guess I'm not much of a leader, either!)
I do appreciate him giving money to Lamont. Thank you for making that point, and not letting me slide on not acknowledging it.

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:23 PM
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27. Then I guess the entire Senate isn't fit to lead?
Because just about every Democratic senator had very nice things to say about Lieberman until just before the primary.

What's more relevant to me is, what did they do after the primary was over?

Did they support the Democratic nominee? Salazar, Landrieu, Nelson et al. did not. The Clintons were always on the fence. Obama and Edwards did.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:28 PM
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2. Looks like an Obama hit piece to me
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:43 PM
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4. gee, ya think
God I hate these people. They consistently trash everybody and then sit back and complain about nothing ever getting accomplished. Fucking idiots.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:29 PM
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3. Obama's mentors are Emil Jones and Dick Durbin
It was Durbin who encouraged him to run.

Alex Cockburn is a conpiracist and muckracker of monumental proportions. If you like his take on Obama, you probably loved his book "Gore: A User's Manual." From a review of it in The Nation:

"Al Gore distills in his single person the disrepair of liberalism in America today, and almost every unalluring feature of the Democratic Party. He did not attain this distinction by accident but by sedulous study from the cradle forward."

Thus unambiguously do Nation columnist Alexander Cockburn and frequent collaborator Jeffrey St. Clair stake out the terrain in opening their brief against the Vice President. Political handbook rather than full-blown biography, it effectively paints Gore as a walking sandwich board for Democratic Leadership Council values, tapped for higher office because Bill and Hillary saw in him "a kindred soul in political philosophy, hewing to the pro-corporate, anti-union positions...which together they had founded and nurtured." From his family connections to Occidental
Petroleum to his education partly under Martin Peretz (from Peretz's pulpit at Harvard, not The New Republic), Gore's background is shown with no mirth in the balance but his "propensity to boast excessively" demonstrated at every turn.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:41 PM
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13. Don't forget the late Sen. Paul Simon
Simon was also an Obama mentor, his daughter did ads for him in 2004.
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JacquesMolay Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:31 PM
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7. 'Stay to the Center', Barack.
Guess his handlers have him on message.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:49 PM
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14. Democrat-Haters Unite nt
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:55 PM
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15. And An Article From May 2006 Is Revelant Now Because???
A year ago, there were still some who thought Liebermann was "reachable". Want to bet Senator Obama doesn't feel the same way now.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:59 PM
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16. "A year ago, there were still some who thought Liebermann was "reachable". " ?!?!?
Are those the same "some" who pander to Lieberman today?

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:34 PM
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31. Look Who Campaigned For Him In The Primaries
If I recall Barbara Boxer stopped by. Now ya think she's still on the same page with Joe today???

Now let's ask Carl Levin about his feelings...that's more troubling than Obama.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:03 PM
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17. I'm disappointed, Sapphire Blue. I thought you would be above posting
an obvious hit piece like this trash.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:10 PM
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18. I understand how you feel. I hope you understand my disappointment in Obama.
Since his speech at the Democratic convention, I had high hopes for Obama, and was very much in his corner, and signed Durbin's petition encouraging him to run for president. In fact, I was torn between supporting either him or Edwards. Not anymore. However, if he gets the nomination, I will fully support him, despite my doubts... Obama is a gazillion times better than any repub.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:15 PM
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22. But you're very harsh with anyone posting
their disappointment about John Edwards in your threads in GD, not in the Edwards forum, so this really does surprise me.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:21 PM
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25. Yes, I am. I'm also harsh on myself for my initial enthusiasm for Obama.
I feel let down by him.

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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:36 PM
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29. Not really. I have some very HUGE issues with Edwards and his past
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 02:46 PM by peacebaby3
record regarding the "war", his support of the patriot act, strong record and support for the death penalty, working for a hedge fund while saying his biggest issue is poverty. As someone who met him in person when he came to speak to military families during the 2004 campaign, I am disappointed. I was disappointed then that neither he or Kerry would say the war was a mistake, but they were a much better choice. I have become more and more disappointed with him, but I have never posted an obvious hit piece against him and even though I disagree with him on numerous issues, I agree with him on others so I won't participate in bashing him on these boards.

Edit: grammar error
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