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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:53 AM Original message |
Corruption? Why does the address for 21st Century Systems Inc. lead to a house in VA? |
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pimpbot (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. I noticed in the details it is a small woman owned business |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Could be, of course lying in any matter involving the federal government's three branches... |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. Another DC madam perhaps? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It supposedly develops simulators for troops. As of yet... |
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pimpbot (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. Heres the website of 21st |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Lying to the federal government is a crime as severe as perjury... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Don't be taken in by a flashy website, you'd expect them to be delivering... |
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InkAddict (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. I agree, what you see may not be what you get.... |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. What's even more strange is that, just like in some of the Madam addresses |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. This is just a little fucked up. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. This is what I found with net detective.. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I'll look that up in the Federal Election Commission's political donation database. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Here are the donations... |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. No problem... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I just did an advanced search of the FEC database, looking for employer ID alone... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Look at this donation form, the only people on it are from 21st Century Sys. Inc. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. This donation form has the Winsor Hall Way address: |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I'm not sure what all the donations mean ... but I notice some were made |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It says that (Mr?) Stoyer was the CEO of the company in one of the donation forms... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Now this is weird, the Hawaii address doesn't have a phone number listed, wtf? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. It's actually a business, but what business doesn't have a phone? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I got 'No Results Found' searching under business name and doing |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. What do you mean, in the FEC database, a phone book? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I've got the law enforcement version of Net Detective.. n/t |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Yum. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. I think I'm starting to get the picture as to why real ethics reform died. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
13. please keep in mind, that a donation received does not mean |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
14. I need more info before assuming 21st Century Systems Inc. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Per 18 USC 1001: |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
20. This company shows up on the DC Madam's list |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Where did you get the number from? |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I remember seeing this company name when researching the Madams clients |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. You guys are doing great. Keep digging. I wish I had some |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. The Madam's list runs deep.. I found an employee at the Dept of Justice |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. You assume she wasn't a customer, can't people be lesbians? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I had thought of that... another thing I thought of... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. OMG! That would be damn funny! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I believe we've made a mistake... |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Well it is on the Madam's list |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Oh you think that's bad? I've found a couple calls from a K Street hotel... |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Here's another number |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Here: |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Awwwwwwk |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. So does this mean Ben Nelson is next? |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
43. What do you make of this one I found? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. one of the hookers got knocked up?? |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Gettin' supplies for a big nite out with the swamp critter? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. OMFG! I didn't *even* think about Vitter the Shitter!! |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. 49 I think not counting Joe! |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. do you have the times and dates when these calls were made, so we |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
48. There are 104 invoices for 21ST CENTURY SYSTEMS, INC. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. We need to find out the names of his kids... |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:22 PM Original message |
One of Ben Nelson's adult children is named PATRICK NELSON. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
57. Actually, it's a complete and total link. His son does indeed work for 21CSI. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. So does this mean Patrick or Ben Nelson was calling the DC Madam? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No, I'm not doing this in connection to that other investigation. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Regardless, the number does show up on the Madam's list. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Take this with a grain of salt, but when I was looking in Google I found this: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. In other words, that is Ben Nelson's son, Patrick Nelson. |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Well Ben does strike me as Republicon lite |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Of course, he's a total DINO. He's even more conservative than Joe LIEberman. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Ben Nelson's son was mentioned in the original OWH article about this earmark |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. I just looked the company up in the Nebraska SOS database of business records, didn't pay taxes... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. This is big! The business isn't registered in Washington state, it says... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. California's Secretary of State says the business was dissolved in 1997! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. There is no record of the business in my state (CO) either... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. There are three matches in Missouri database, but they might be another company: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Indiana's Secretary of State business database also contains no records: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Rhode Island has no record of the business either: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Virginia's State Corporation Commission does have a record, at the right address... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Hawaii has the business in its records, but says it's not in good standing: |
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InkAddict (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. These could be "drop box" offices |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. That's what I'm thinking, it would be illegal otherwise... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
70. . |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
71. Some of their technology sounds similar to that of PTECH...just saying n/t |
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