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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 09:53 AM
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Corruption? Why does the address for 21st Century Systems Inc. lead to a house in VA?
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 10:08 AM by originalpckelly
Senator Ben Nelson (Dino-Neb) has recently received attention for his earmarking of $7.5 million on behalf of 21st Century Systems Inc.

Today, I looked that company up in a federal contracting database:
http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?fiscal_year=2006&parent_id=382&sortby=u&datype=T&reptype=r&database=fpds&detail=4&submit=GO

You will notice the address:
12152 WINDSOR HALL WAY
HERNDON, VA 20170

I will note that this address leads to a house in Virginia:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=12152+WINDSOR+HALL+WAY,+Herndon,+VA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.544155,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=39.00958,-77.366581&spn=0.007303,0.014591&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1

Could this be an indicator that there is some type of corruption going on here?

Senator Nelson has received a large number of contributions from this pac, as other DINO dems have, and even one good Democrat, and this is disappointing in the most severe way, James Webb, better known as Senator Jim Webb. UPDATE: I just found Bob Casey too. :cry: Oh shit, I just found Jack Reed.

Just found a puke:
James (Jim) Talent

I also found another puke:
Adrian Smith

Holy crap, the other Nelson:
Bill Nelson (FL)

Aw crap, John Murtha, and James Moran (the one with the funny name!) :cry:

Another Repuke: Jerry Lewis! That should ring a bell, remember he's already being investigated.
I hope there isn't some type of corruption going on here, but this is pretty damn suspicious.

Another Repuke:
Kenny Hulsof

Mazie Hirono (D-HI) :cry:

Norman Dicks (D-WA)

F. A. Boyd (D-FL)

Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)

Here's a list of folks supported by this PAC:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_supopp/C00419044/
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 09:59 AM
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1. I noticed in the details it is a small woman owned business
Could be that it is actually run out of that home. Although I know a lot of small contractors like this will put their wife as the "owner" of the company to get preferential treatment in the awarding of contracts.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:00 AM
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3. Could be, of course lying in any matter involving the federal government's three branches...
is a crime punishable by five years in prison or a $10,000 fine.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:00 AM
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2. Another DC madam perhaps?
:evilgrin:

No seriously, just what is this business about?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:02 AM
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4. It supposedly develops simulators for troops. As of yet...
and after six years of receiving federal funds, the product has allegedly been used once by soldiers of only one base in Iraq.

Of course, we must remember that even ADCS (think Duke Cunningham bribery scandal) had done services for our government.

I think what we're seeing here is an overt bribery through political donations.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:05 AM
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5. Heres the website of 21st
http://www.21csi.com/index.php

I'm assuming thats the same company, since it seems they do govt contracting work for the DoD. Doesn't seem like a small business to me, and definitely not run out of someones house in Virginia :).
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Lying to the federal government is a crime as severe as perjury...
and no matter what it is, it's punishable by 18 USC 1001.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Don't be taken in by a flashy website, you'd expect them to be delivering...
multiple products with the type of PR they do on that site, but see for yourself:

"As of April, only one piece of software had been used — to help guard a single Marine camp in Iraq — and it was no longer in use. Company officials said developing sophisticated software takes years and that more uses were on the horizon."

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10078868
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:57 AM
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40. I agree, what you see may not be what you get....
Here's another spooky DoD contractor. Their expertise is a complete mystery judging by the web site; however, on googling, it seems they were given a significant contract a while back to write purse-string code for DoD. This group also was a platinum sponsor for a shindig to honor some Persian(?)-allied charity folks, but I can't find a hook that would make them so philanthropic. I guess they must have just pulled this specific charity and gig out of a hat?

http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/the_aeon_group_llc_140321691.asp?yr=06

http://www.ecf-la.org/events.htm
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:15 AM
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7. What's even more strange is that, just like in some of the Madam addresses
I looked up, the owner of the house's income says $50,000 - $74,999, yet the house purchase price was $695,000 and valued at $813,150. shocking, huh?


Estimated Income $50,000 - $74,999
Home Information
Homeowner
Dwelling Type Unknown
Home Purchase Price $695,000.00
Home Purchase Date 07/2001

Home Year Built 1996
Home Property Type Unknown
Pool Home Unknown
Number Of Fireplaces 2
Estimated Home Value $813,150.00
Mortgage Information
Amount $556,000.00

Type Fixed
Rate
Lender UNION FED'L BK/INDIANAPOL

If you want the names of the owner, I have it... didn't know whether to post it or not...
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. This is just a little fucked up.
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 10:17 AM by originalpckelly
We need to start going through and look up this stuff, these people don't look like honest operators. They've been given 40-odd million dollars, yet they've only delivered one product to one base in Iraq:
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10078868

"As of April, only one piece of software had been used — to help guard a single Marine camp in Iraq — and it was no longer in use. Company officials said developing sophisticated software takes years and that more uses were on the horizon."
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. This is what I found with net detective..
Name STOYEN, ALEXANDER D
Age 45
D.O.B. 03/1962
Education Completed College
Marital Status Married
Occupation Teacher/Educator
Person #2 Name STOYEN, LANA
Person #2 Age 45
Person #2 D.O.B. 02/1962
Person #2 Education Completed College
Person #2 Marital Status Unknown
Person #2 Occupation Middle Management
Person #3 Name STOYEN, BENJAMIN
Person #3 Age Unknown
Person #3 D.O.B. Unknown
Person #3 Education Completed College
Person #3 Marital Status Unknown
Person #3 Occupation 0
Address 12152 WINDSOR HALL WAY
HERNDON, VA 20170
Phone
Estimated Income $50,000 - $74,999

Home Information
Homeowner
Dwelling Type Unknown
Home Purchase Price $695,000.00
Home Purchase Date 07/2001
Home Year Built 1996
Home Property Type Unknown
Pool Home Unknown
Number Of Fireplaces 2
Estimated Home Value $813,150.00
Mortgage Information
Amount $556,000.00
Type Fixed
Rate
Lender UNION FED'L BK/INDIANAPOL

I put it all in one post, in case you wanted to print it out for future use.

Something don't smell right about this...
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. I'll look that up in the Federal Election Commission's political donation database.
Be back in a second with the results. Thank you for your help!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Here are the donations...
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 10:32 AM by originalpckelly
I had to download the FEC's webpage because they don't allowing linking to their results:
http://pckelly.osi.googlepages.com/alex_stoyen_policital_donations.htm

If you want their page, just go to:
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml

And type Stoyen in the first box, and Alexander in the second.


It looks like Stoyen is an employee of that company.

In one entry it says Stoyen was the CEO. This info must no longer be correct however, because it shows Jeffrey D. Hicks as the current CEO.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. No problem...
I'll do what I can on it, but this is all the information I could find right now.

I did a criminal background search and came up empty on it. I'm looking up government contracts and more background info now... if I find anything I'll post it...
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. I just did an advanced search of the FEC database, looking for employer ID alone...
and I found a ton of hits of donations from employees of 21st Century Systems Inc. to Ben Nelson:
http://pckelly.osi.googlepages.com/21st_century_system_inc.htm
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. Look at this donation form, the only people on it are from 21st Century Sys. Inc.
http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?26039040009

What did they do, have a fund raiser at the place of employment or something?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. This donation form has the Winsor Hall Way address:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #21
29. I'm not sure what all the donations mean ... but I notice some were made
in the same name, but from different states... some from different cities within the same state.

I still want to know how someone with a $50,000 - $75,000/year salary buys an $815,000 home...
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. It says that (Mr?) Stoyer was the CEO of the company in one of the donation forms...
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 11:34 AM by originalpckelly
I'm going to bet he/she/it was making more than 50,000 to 75,000. That data might be off, or someone's lying on their tax forms.

I know that they've already committed one crime, you can't lie to the federal government on any form, it's a crime punishable by five years in prison or a fine. They put down their home address for the contract.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #17
35. Now this is weird, the Hawaii address doesn't have a phone number listed, wtf?
http://www.21csi.com/directions/hawaiidirectionsto21csi.pdf

All the other PDFs have the phone number listed. I'm going to check up on that addy and see if it's really a business.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. It's actually a business, but what business doesn't have a phone?
:shrug: Kind of weird if you ask me.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. I got 'No Results Found' searching under business name and doing
an address search... another sham business front??
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #37
38. What do you mean, in the FEC database, a phone book?
Where are you searching, I don't think I understand (I'm dense. :-))
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. I've got the law enforcement version of Net Detective.. n/t
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #39
47. Yum.
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 01:06 PM by originalpckelly
I can taste the oooey-goooey information goodness from afar!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:19 AM
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10. I think I'm starting to get the picture as to why real ethics reform died.
This is a very disappointing revelation.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:26 AM
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13. please keep in mind, that a donation received does not mean
corruption. The problem comes when there appears to be a favor or action that could be construed as a bribe of sorts. Nelson - put in a massive earmark for this company, and appears to be the reason for something like 70% of their govt funding. Before putting all others into the same category - one should look to see if they, too, gave big earmarks to the company. As for Nelson - I can think of no way to give cover.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:26 AM
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14. I need more info before assuming 21st Century Systems Inc.
is crooked, or the pols you mentioned are.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Per 18 USC 1001:
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 10:38 AM by originalpckelly
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;

(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false,
fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry
;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001001----000-.html

Even if they're just lying just about the address of the business, and the sex of the business's owner, then they fall under the crime laid out in that statute.

But, I would suggest that the corrupt relationship between Senator Nelson and this company is a good cause for concern and suspicion.

Corruption is not good, no matter what side it occurs on. It robs us of our right to representation in the US Congress. America is not a company, it is people. If even our politicians are representing the interests of companies, then it is wrong.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:06 AM
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20. This company shows up on the DC Madam's list
http://www.dcphonelist.com/search.php?s=7034640200&detail=1

The number (703) 464-0200 from Herndon, VA, appears 12 times, first occuring on September 30th, 1999 at 5:42pm and most recently on June 17th, 2001 at 7:14pm.



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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. Where did you get the number from?
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 11:10 AM by originalpckelly
I'm curious! Damn, this is getting to be fucking interesting!

You're wonderful for finding this. We may yet unravel the web of corruption in DC.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. I remember seeing this company name when researching the Madams clients
However, my reseach was done a few days ago and I have to re-research the data.

But I did a real quick scan and found the city, state, and most importantly the number.
This was found in the 1.21.01-12.20.01

I will continue with my research to see if I can retrace my steps....

Great find by the way, pckelly.

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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. You guys are doing great. Keep digging. I wish I had some
way of helping but in lieu of that...

:popcorn:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. The Madam's list runs deep.. I found an employee at the Dept of Justice
on the list. She was probably one of the 'ladies' that worked for Ms Palfrey, but imagine the stories she could tell!

Wonder if any of her clients were fellow employees??
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. You assume she wasn't a customer, can't people be lesbians?
:evilgrin:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. I had thought of that... another thing I thought of...
did the Madam ever say, anywhere, if she had male escorts working for her too?? I'm wondering this because of finding guys' names, with salaries $15,000 - $24,999 owning $175,000 houses....

Wouldn't *that* be something? Tie Jeff Gannon to the Madam, then to his overnight visits at the White House!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #32
34. OMG! That would be damn funny!
Of course now my mind is permanently scarred, thanks! :evilgrin:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #20
26. I believe we've made a mistake...
it looks like this traces back to an Embassy Suites:
http://www.visitfairfax.org/hotels_dulles
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #26
31. Well it is on the Madam's list
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 12:01 PM by MagickMuffin
Room Service ANYONE:rofl:


The number (703) 856-2667 from Herndon, VA, appears 3 times, first occuring on April 19th, 2001 at 3:32pm and most recently on April 19th, 2002 at 4:29pm.

# Date Duration View
1 Apr 19, 2001 - 3:32pm 1 min
2 Jun 20, 2001 - 5:14pm 1 min
3 Apr 19, 2002 - 4:29pm 4 min

Here's another number that shows up....



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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Oh you think that's bad? I've found a couple calls from a K Street hotel...
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 11:37 AM by originalpckelly
some lobbyist was tired of using the Capitol Hill prostitutes (Congress), so they switched to the Madam's. :rofl:
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. Here's another number
The number (703) 437-9592 from Herndon, VA, appears 7 times, first occuring on July 2nd, 1999 at 6:26pm and most recently on May 28th, 2005 at 8:00pm.

# Date Duration View
1 Jul 2, 1999 - 6:26pm 1 min
2 Jun 2, 2000 - 6:13pm 1 min
3 Jun 2, 2000 - 7:34pm 1 min
4 Aug 10, 2000 - 2:36pm 5 min
5 Sep 15, 2000 - 2:27pm 4 min
6 Jun 29, 2001 - 2:24pm 2 min
7 May 28, 2005 - 8:00pm 2 min




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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Here:
BEST, FRANCIS H
1630 WATERS EDGE LN
RESTON, VA 20190-4228 703-437-9592

BEST, F H 1630 WATERS EDGE LN
RESTON, VA 20190-4228 703-437-9592

THOMPSON, A G 163 WATERS EDGE LN
RESTON, VA 20190 703-437-9592

THOMPSON, AMY G
1630 WATERS EDGE LN
RESTON, VA 20190-4228 703-437-9592

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Search Results


Name BEST, FRANCIS
Address 1630 WATERS EDGE LN
RESTON, VA 20190-4228
Phone 703-437-9592
Estimated Income $135,000 - $139,999
Homeowner Definite Owner
Dwelling Type Single

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Search Results


Name THOMPSON, AMY
Address 1630 WATERS EDGE LN
RESTON, VA 20190-4228
Phone 703-437-9592
Estimated Income $135,000 - $139,999
Homeowner Definite Owner
Dwelling Type Single

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Am I wrong in thinking that definite owner means the place is bought and paid for??
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
27. Awwwwwwk
:wow: No! You don't say...obviously well-connected...
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #20
58. So does this mean Ben Nelson is next?
I believe Nebraska currently has a Republican governor...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:26 PM
Response to Original message
43. What do you make of this one I found?
703-823-3993
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. one of the hookers got knocked up??
National Association of Diaper Services 703-823-3993. Crystal Spring Linen Service Post Office Box 1403 Roanoke, Virginia 24007-1403 540-342-7377. Washington. Baby Diaper Service
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Gettin' supplies for a big nite out with the swamp critter?
:evilgrin:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. OMFG! I didn't *even* think about Vitter the Shitter!!
Wonder how many more there were like him??
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. 49 I think not counting Joe!
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
72. do you have the times and dates when these calls were made, so we
can compare them to the times and dates that Vitter's number showed up on her records??
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
48. There are 104 invoices for 21ST CENTURY SYSTEMS, INC.
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 01:49 PM by MagickMuffin
Total transactions for fiscal year 2000: 5

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $455,000

Total transactions for fiscal year 2001: 10

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $1,455,999


Total transactions for fiscal year 2002: 12

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $1,964,647


Total transactions for fiscal year 2003: 10

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $4,419,835


Total transactions for fiscal year 2004: 19

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $1,961,625



Total transactions for fiscal year 2005: 33

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $23,917,891


Total transactions for fiscal year 2006: 15

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $2,096,48



Mr. Jeffrey D. Hicks
Chief Executive Officer and President

Dr. Alexander D. Stoyen
Founder

Mr. Patrick Nelson
Marketing Director

Do ya think Patrick is related to Ben???

Also when looking through the contracts did ya notice how there aren't ANY employees, and 0 REVENUES???

FISHY

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. We need to find out the names of his kids...
I can't find any mention of their names, even in his bio. Though he does have four children, that's included in the bio.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:22 PM
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One of Ben Nelson's adult children is named PATRICK NELSON.
Gender: Male
Family: Wife: Diane
4 Children: Kevin, Kristy, Patrick, Sara.

http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=CNIP0639

It could be a link.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:23 PM
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57. Actually, it's a complete and total link. His son does indeed work for 21CSI.
It was mentioned in an Omaha World Herald article, per another DUer.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:25 PM
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59. So does this mean Patrick or Ben Nelson was calling the DC Madam?
We'd better hope we find another Republican Senator, if that's the case.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:29 PM
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60. No, I'm not doing this in connection to that other investigation.
This is an investigation in response to an article I saw posted over in LBN. When I went to go look up the business in the federal contracting database, I found out that the address the business was registered to is a HOUSE!

So, that's what got me looking and digging. I had no clue I was going to do any of this or find this out, it's kind of weird how you start a day doing one thing then end up on a different path. :rofl:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:33 PM
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62. Regardless, the number does show up on the Madam's list.
I wonder if we'll be seeing any juicy details in the near future.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:34 PM
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50. Take this with a grain of salt, but when I was looking in Google I found this:
http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=EarmarkToolkit.EarmarkNews&ContentRecord_id=e2cd85a7-802a-23ad-454e-91c3f24ca276

I don't trust Tom Coburn, but I don't think it's impossible for him to be right about this.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:35 PM
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51. In other words, that is Ben Nelson's son, Patrick Nelson.
I think it's pretty damn obvious what's going on here.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:11 PM
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53. Well Ben does strike me as Republicon lite
I guess this sort of confirms my suspicion

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:17 PM
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54. Of course, he's a total DINO. He's even more conservative than Joe LIEberman.
So no, corruption and conservatism is not a surprise.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:18 PM
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55. Ben Nelson's son was mentioned in the original OWH article about this earmark
business--a couple months ago, if you search the archives (Omaha Steve posted it).
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:22 PM
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56. I just looked the company up in the Nebraska SOS database of business records, didn't pay taxes...
the year '04:
"Non Payment of Taxes Apr 16 2004 "

https://www.nebraska.gov/sos/corp/corpsearch.cgi?acct-number=10053715
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:31 PM
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61. This is big! The business isn't registered in Washington state, it says...
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 02:31 PM by originalpckelly
it has a business location there, and if they do, to best knowledge it's illegal to operate a business in a state in an assumed name without filing some type of certificate of assumed name. I'm going to check the other locations for the business.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:34 PM
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63. California's Secretary of State says the business was dissolved in 1997!
Corporation
21ST CENTURY SYSTEMS, INC.
Number: C2010797 Date Filed: 5/15/1997 Status: dissolved
Jurisdiction: California
Address
2227 PULLMAN AVE.
BELMONT, CA 94002
Agent for Service of Process
BONNIE HAROUTUNIAN
2227 PULLMAN AVE.
BELMONT, CA 94002

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2010797

Yet 21CSI says it has a location in California:
http://www.21csi.com/directions/san_diego21csi.pdf

Again, I think it's illegal to operate in a state without some type of certificate of assumed business name.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:39 PM
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64. There is no record of the business in my state (CO) either...
yet there is a location down in Colorado Springs. Again, I don't believe it's legal to do that. You can't have employees in a state without a business certificate/license of some kind.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:42 PM
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65. There are three matches in Missouri database, but they might be another company:
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=21st+Century+Systems&SearchType=Search

I say that, because the people in the bottom two hits are the same, and one of the company names includes accounting services, something that 21st Century Systems has no ties to at all.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:44 PM
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66. Indiana's Secretary of State business database also contains no records:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:45 PM
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67. Rhode Island has no record of the business either:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:50 PM
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68. Virginia's State Corporation Commission does have a record, at the right address...


I have to post a screenshot, because you have to log onto this weird system to get into the Virginia business records database.

Here's the website where you may find a link to log on to the system:
http://www.scc.virginia.gov/division/clk/diracc.htm
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:55 PM
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69. Hawaii has the business in its records, but says it's not in good standing:
http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/cogs/details.html?t=MSTR&fn=32473+F1

But curiously, the mailing address is not listed as "3375 Koapaka Street Suite I-540" where the business says it is in Hawaii ( http://www.21csi.com/directions/hawaiidirectionsto21csi.pdf )

IT does say however, that its mailing address is:
"12152 WINDSOR HALL WAY
HERNDON Virginia 20170
United States of America"

Hmmm, that looks familiar, doesn't it? It's the presumably home address of Alexander Stoyen and it's the same as the address in the federal contracting database, as well as the place Mr. Stoyen said his political contributions were from.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:35 PM
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73. These could be "drop box" offices
A closet with a phone message machine.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:40 PM
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74. That's what I'm thinking, it would be illegal otherwise...
I know you can't run a business under an assumed name in my state, CO, without some type of certificate of assumed business name.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:06 PM
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70. .
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:27 PM
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71. Some of their technology sounds similar to that of PTECH...just saying n/t
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