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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:12 PM
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SIRIUS doesn't think you're patriotic
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SIRIUS doesn't think you're patriotic

Submitted by Rick Perlstein on July 14, 2007

I just was a guest on Mike Feder's show SIRIUS Satellite Radio show and learned something deeply, deeply offensive.

The liberal channel is called "SIRIUS Left."

The conservative channel is called "SIRIUS Patriot."

SIRIUS Satellite Radio doesn't think you're patriotic. This is an obscenity.

SIRIUS's media relations representative for talk radio is Hillary Schupf. Her email is hschupf@siriusradio.com. Her phone number is 212-901-6739. Let's start with her. Share what she says in the comments. This cannot be allowed to stand.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:13 PM
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1. More of the right`s word games.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:16 PM
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2. Done. Son-a-of-bitch!...Why didn't they just say:
Conservative channel is called "SIRIUS God-Worthy Patriot"
liberal channel is called "SIRIUS Heathen, God-Less Pieces of left-wing Human Garbage."

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:17 PM
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3. let 'em have their stupid words and meaningless gestures.
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 12:25 PM by KG
i'm a leftist, and i don't care if anyone thinks i'm a patriot or not.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:18 PM
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28. That's a dangerous notion. Those "stupid words and meaningless gestures" are the source of RW power.
Whoever is allowed to define words, is defining IDEAS.
And "defining ideas" is CONTROLLING ideas.
They know this, and they've been working hard to define
words for decades.

And it's worked.

It's going to take a lot of work to undo all the mass
brainwashing that their "stupid words and meaningless gestures"
have perpetrated upon this Nation's citizens.

We are a nation of liberal values which currently considers the
word "liberal" to be an insult. That's not "meaningless". Not
by a long shot.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:17 PM
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4. I really think this is just marketing.
Say what you like about marketing types, but they do know how to target specific groups of people. I suspect they simply recognized the jingoistic themes that run through right-wing radio, and labeled the product with that in mind.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:29 PM
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11. It's offensive marketing. The implied opposite of PATRIOT is TRAITOR.
The Opposite of LEFT is RIGHT.

It took me thirty seconds to fire off an email. It was time well spent, IMO.

Words do matter.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:18 PM
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5. SIRIUS Satellite Radio doesn't think you're patriotic? If one is a patriot to the House of Saud?
Like Bush/CheneyCrimeInc.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:19 PM
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6. yeah, this is a sore spot with me also
i'm just waiting out the Sirius/XM merger and see what falls out from that. too late to change the game at Sirius, i think.

although we could look at it this way: Sirius Left is what's Left after the Sirius Patriots are through with pillaging our nation.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:22 PM
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7. I agree...it's bullshit
On Monday I'll give Hillary Schupf a 'lil jingle...doubt if she's there now & God, how I hate leaving messages!!
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spirit of wine Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:26 PM
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8. How about SIRIUS knucledraggers?
Didn't Bill Maher say something to the effect that patriotism is like penis size, if you have to go around claiming you have a large penis, usually the opposite is true. This administration thinks their use of semantics will alter the outcome of the world events that are their responsibility no matter what label you want to call it, what do you think?
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spirit of wine Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:30 PM
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12. Sorry, I meant Knuckledraggers
Bad spelling
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musical_soul Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:26 PM
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9. I think I will e-mail this person.
Thanks. :)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:27 PM
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10. Well, thank you for motivating me to send them a nice little note
    SIRIUS LEFT versus Sirius PATRIOT?

    So THAT's how you play it?

    Screw SIRIUS, and thank you, too.. You've helped me decide if I really NEED satellite radio. When it's fed to me by a bunch of asses who surely don't want my money, seeing as I'm not a "Patriot," I'd say I've made the right decision in deciding to just skip it altogether.

    You might want to check the demographics of the original 13 colonies--they're the original PATRIOTS, and they are overwhelmingly "BLUE" states.

    You're not getting a thin DIME from me. And you brought it on yourselves with that asinine marketing ploy. You can't insult people and not expect them to notice.

    You fools have a nice life, now, you hear?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:31 PM
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13. Yeah that blows.
Actually they have Sirius Right and Sirius Patriot. Oddly enough I think they believe this is offset by the NPR channels, which mostly recycle Diane Rehm and Terry Gross.

My more serious complaint is the programming on Sirius Left, which blows even more than the one channel they've allocated. Its awful in the morning. Bill Press and Alex Bennet are just dreadful.
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:51 PM
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16. Yes. Press is a tory and Bennett is a RW plant. I'm convinced.
Lynn Samuels as well. She belongs in a mental institution. And that's coming from a wacked out lefty like me. The only good thing is Thom Hartmann and replays of Steph. I call Press and Bennett up from time to time and give 'em what for. I'm Dan from Michigan, if any of you ever listen :hi: I listen because they're the only "liberal" talkers I can hear in my area - BFE Michigan.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:20 PM
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22. Yes indeed Dan - I've heard you!
You do us proud!
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:15 PM
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26. Thanks!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:18 PM
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29. I gave up the AM lineup. Our local progressive station has the eloquent, impassioned Jay Marvin, who
could wipe the floor, linguistically and philosophically, with those two.

And, Garrett on Alex's show is unbelievably ignorant, bringing the tenor of the dialog way down.

Lynn Samuels, I know what you mean. I tried, but enough already with the Ballerina song and Nat'l Enquirer gossip.

The Young Turks had promise, but were floundering and got jettisoned to AAR. (Presumably, they're getting their foothold, I haven't heard one way or the other, but I'm starting to see both Cenk and Ben make appearances here and at C & L).

There is a mere hour of Hartmann in the morning and Stephanie Miller on Sirius competes with Randi Rhodes on our local channel in the afternoon.

I'm glad to see this thread, I'm really rethinking my Sirius subscription, when local offers more and better. MKJ
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:25 PM
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34. I've heard Jay Marvin, he's good, very good
Garrett doesn't talk on Alex Bennett anymore. I have to admit, the show has gotten better since, but it seems Alex moved to the right a little bit after that happened. Good thing is more callers get in now, which is who I like to listen to anyway. As far as I'm concerned, Alex is just there to say "you're on the air, hello", the callers make the show.

I miss the Turks, but I saw Cenk and Ben last night on the webcast, and they're as sharp as ever, they'll do fine.
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Kokopelli420 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:30 PM
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37. I'm not sure Bennett is a plant (unlike, say, Ed Schultz) but Samuels is definitely batshit insane.
The fact that they cut Thom Hartmann back to one hour to put that babbling old bag on the air makes even less sense than XM pre-empting Thom for Ed "if you disagree with me, you hate the Jews" Schultz).

Alex Bennett is OK, but I'd rather they played Stephanie Miller live in the mornings, and then the full Hartmann show. And of course, keep Mike Malloy live. However they want to program Noon - 6 (Pacific) or after 9 PM doesn't matter to me.

As for Bill Press, he's on too early here for me to worry about.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:13 PM
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36. and they have Fox too
so basically three right-wing stations. I can't remember if the Fox station is just the news or if they carry talk shows like Hannity as well.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:06 PM
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38. Sirius Right isn't there anymore
First, they had ABC Talk (Hannity), Sirius Right and Sirius Left. Then, when Air America was added to Sirius, Sirius kept Sirius Left and added Sirius Patriot. When Air America dumped Sirius (don't start, Rosco), Sirius kept Right and Patriot, but put Radio Korea in the Air America slot (later moved). When Sirius caved to add Fox Talk, Sirius Right was dumped. Thus, there is now ABC Talk, Fox Talk, Sirius Patriot, and finally that channel for pinko commie bastards, Sirius Left.

I agree that the Sirius Left programming blows. Bennett sucks. Samuels sucks. Both of them need to be chained to a radiator while Mike Malloy yells some sense into them.

Even the in-house promos for Sirius Left sucks. Instead of playing a Hartmann or Malloy rant, they play Bush talking and then a sound effect. Dumbass management at work there.

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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:41 PM
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14. I'm a subscriber and I have sent an email letting her know of my displeasure.
Thanks for the heads up! I don't listen to the talk radio on Sirius and didn't know about this.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:42 PM
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15. I just emailed her...if I receive a reply I will post it. nt
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:07 PM
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17. KICK
:kick:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:12 PM
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18. Hey, Stern!
We had your back when you were getting shaken down by the FCC.

Did we make a mistake?

We actually though it was about more than titty jokes.

Do us a favor, willya? Talk to your buddy Mel Karmazin and tell him to get his head out of his ass -- and out of Mr. Bush's lap.

--p!
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:29 PM
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19. kick, I heard about this last night and it pissed me off so bad I couldn't sleep
thanks for posting a contact
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:51 PM
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20. I thought it might be rumor so I checked their site before I emailed them, its even worse
http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Page&cid=1107787276524

Sirius Patriot's subtitle is "Conservative values". Sirius Left is "Liberal Talk".

Values vs Talk.

a bit like insult to injury
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:01 PM
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21. Bastards!
Tell everyone you know!
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:58 PM
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23. I wonder what these "Patriots" would think...
if they found out that the major driving force behind the implementing of Sirius & other sat systems is this remarkable entrepreneur?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martine_Rothblatt
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:03 PM
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24. I'm even happier that I dropped them now. n/t
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:11 PM
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25. And that's one of the reasons why I'm suscribed to XM.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:18 PM
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27. Do we really wanna be called "Patriots?"
IMO, this is much ado about nothing. I suspect both stations named themselves to appeal to their audiences. Any time I see a button or bumper sticker that looks like a badge of "Patriotism" my skin crawls and I smell Amurika's half-brains.

Sirius is getting flack from BushCo who won't let them merge with XM, and they are constantly under the (soft) threat of censorship. Just listen to Howard Stern's rants and it won't sound so RW.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:20 PM
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30. My screen name. And, dissension is the ultimate form of patriotism. Perhaps, NO station should be
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 05:21 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
named in such a way to imply that they are the only locale of those who love their country. MKJ
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:22 PM
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32. Patriot = patriotic, and by inference the opposite is unpatriotic.
I don't think this is much ado about nothing in the least.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:24 PM
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33. I just don't think it's a conscious attempt (a la MSM) to discredit the left.
The guest DJ's range from Neil Young to Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine)--as liberal as you get. They give air time to the Al Gore concert, even still.

If this OP is about improving the name of the liberal talk station, I'm ok with that. If it's about Sirius being RW, I don't buy it. I like listening because I don't smell the air pollution that stinks up commercial radio.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:21 PM
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31. Tangentially, this is an 1/2 decent way to find out how many people have one on ignore.
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:53 PM
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35. Keep it up folks. Alex Bennett and Lynn Samuels were criticizing and ridiculing people for
complaining about this today, all day. Samuels and Bennett were both hating on Olbermann as well for mentioning it.

Bennett says this is why "he hates liberals and progressives" because he's a "leftist" and "leftists" don't do this. He asks why we don't have more important stuff to do. He must not realize that it only takes a couple of minutes to shoot off an email. Bennett also said he objected to the name when they first put the channel up, and he did, I was listening that day. Frankly, I think he's a bit jealous that we may get the station name changed to Sirius Right when he couldn't.

Just wanted to let everyone know that we are making an impact, and people are paying attention. They're ridiculing us, but like Ghandi said... First they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win.
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