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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:08 PM
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OMG...Lott just said, "We are ready to vote on the Reid/Levin Amendment" Durbin called his bluff and
said, "Fine. You just said you were ready to vote on the amendment, so I call for a vote at 6:00 P.M. this evening for an up or down vote."

Lott, "I object."

:rofl::rofl: Bluff called...LIE EXPOSED.

Durbin, "You just said you were ready to vote, I call for a 6:00 vote and you object. You can't have it both ways!"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:10 PM
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1. Republicans always have their cake and eat it , too
Durbin just doesn't understand the procedure.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:44 PM
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30. Don't know about the cake. But they always have their wars
And their tax cuts too.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:29 AM
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33. the first poster was wrong.
first they steal the cake, then they have it and then they eat it, saving a piece to shove into the face of the closest Democrat.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:11 PM
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2. Is trent afraid he'll miss a fund raiser or is he scheduled to kiss the ass
of a war profiteer tonight?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:15 PM
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5. He's got a tent meeting at 8:00, and his white robe is still at the dry cleaner's
and they close at 6:00, so you can see the bind he's in.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:16 PM
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6. Probably both!
:7
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:12 PM
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3. ROFL!
:rofl:

Republicans just have to have it "both ways", just ask Mark Foley. :D
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:14 PM
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4. McCain's speaking now so I have toothpicks holding up my eyelids
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:43 PM
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9. Shades of A Clockwork Orange
Give someone LSD, prop their eyes open with toothpicks and make them watch McCain on C-SPAN. :rofl:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:15 AM
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32. LOL ~ that is funny! nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:35 PM
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7. Lott is one infuriating mofo. Glad his bluff was called.
:thumbsup:

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:36 PM
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8. Levin--does a lot of Iraq-blaming, but if it buys us some votes, I'm for it.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:44 PM
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10. K & R
:kick:
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:50 PM
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11. self-delete (i.e., never mind!)
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 03:52 PM by checks-n-balances
I asked a question about what came next before I read the whole thread.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:52 PM
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13. Lott's response was silence and now the FILIBUSTER will go forward tonight into tomorrow,
:7
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:53 PM
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14. Thanks for your reply!
I'm just a little slow on the uptake!
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:51 PM
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12. Well played Senator Durbin. Yes I say again to you WELL PLAYED SIR! n/t
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:58 PM
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15. Oh you're kidding.....LOL!!!!
That's hilarious....
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:58 PM
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16. When Durbin hits one out of the park, it's a beautiful thing. n/t
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:00 PM
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17. For the health of my television I had to turn it off
I know I'm going to miss some good stuff, but I can't make myself watch these assholes. I need some nerf prick bricks.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:02 PM
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18. What did Lott mean?
Why did he say that? I'm confused?
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:11 PM
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19. I'm confused too. We want to vote for it.
Lott said we could.
Durbin said we would.
Lott said we won't.

Why did Lott ever say it? What was the point?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:49 PM
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20. Slip of the moronic tongue? Who knows what goes through the R mind.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:56 PM
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22. Because he's a liar and the repukes don't want THE PEOPLE to know what they've been doing...
filibustering or threatening to filibuster. It was all for show...for his freeper followers, but his bluff failed. Now everyone knows they don't really want and up or down vote on this amendment.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:53 PM
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21. Because he's a LIAR.

Trent Lott was BLUFFING when he said the repukes wanted a vote on the Reed/Levin amendment. THEY DON'T! That's why they've been threatening a filibuster on every freakin' amendment by a Dem (13 since January). SO, Durbin called his bluff and said they would vote at 6:00 p.m. tonight and Lott "objected." He's a LIAR and the repukes don't really want a vote. They were threatening another filibuster on this amendment, so Harry Reid has called their bluff. Now, the repukes have to filibuster before the American people. They have been exposed as the liars they are. Before, the amendments/bills would just fade away after a cloture vote and the repukes would go their merry way as if no amendments ever existed. That way they aren't 'on the record' of having voted against a bill that would have brought our troops home....which is what the MAJORITY of people in this country want and is why the Dems were put in power. Then, they could go home and say...the do nothing Dems haven't done what they were elected to do...TO BRING THE TROOPS HOME..so, elect us!. Slimy assholes that they are.

John Nichols has a GREAT piece about it here, if you wish to read it:


<snip>

Again and again, Republicans threatened to filibuster — a move that involves endless speechifying and limitless debate — in order to prevent the passage of measures designed to being bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq.

Again and again, the majority leader responded to the threats by seeking a cloture vote that, if successful, would trump the filibuster threat and allow a vote of the full Senate in favor of the anti-war position that the vast majority of Democrats and a reasonable number of Republicans say they favor. Cloture refers to the only procedure by which the Senate can place a time limit on debate, thus overcoming a threatened filibuster, and get to clarity. Cloture can only be achieved if three-fifths of the members of the Senate, normally 60 of them, vote for it.

Unfortunately for Reid, the Democratic caucus has just 51 members — a few of whom, like Connecticut's Joe Lieberman, are in the pocket of the Bush White House — and the majority leader has only a handful of Republican allies who are willing to break with the administration on cloture votes regarding Iraq.

Thus, when Reid has sought cloture, he has more often than not been thwarted by Republican leaders, who successfully hold enough of their members to prevent the limit on debate. Only when the White House has ordered Senate Republicans to back off and allow a vote, as happened on the supplemental funding measure that Bush would eventually veto, does Reid get the vote he wants.<snip>

The key is for Reid to stop giving Republicans an easy out. When GOP leaders threaten to filibuster in favor of endless war, the majority leader must continually call their bluff. That will give the president's partisan allies in the Senate political ownership of his war — and it will give the American people a clear picture of who wants to bring the troops home and who wants to leave them mired in George Bush's quagmire.<snip>




<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/17/opinion/main3065798.shtml
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:20 PM
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23. Yes. Their bluff has to be called, Make it put up or SHUT UP
I posted the following on my own blog on Sunday, and also at MyDD. I was going to post it here yesterday but events broke so quickly it became a little dated. Still, some of the points I was trying to make in this are still very much in play:


Why Do Democrats Fear A Filibuster?

Repeatedly, Republicans in the U.S. Senate have shown both their willingness and their ability to muster the 40+ plus votes needed to sustain a filibuster by denying a motion for cloture. As a result several crucial Democratic legislative initiatives, which if polls are to be believed all had strong public support, have expired with a whimper not a bang. And each time the Democratic Senate leadership turns to the public with a collective shrug and says; “We tried but they won’t let us”, while public dissatisfaction with a Democratic Congress continues to grow. It must be frustrating for them. Is it their fault that the American people haven’t elected enough Democratic Senators yet to bring legislation to a vote when Republicans refuse to limit debate? No, it’s their fault for refusing to make Republicans either put up, or shut up.

Each time the Republicans demonstrate that they have the votes they need to filibuster Democratic legislation to death, Democrats respond with an emphatic “there’s really no need to bother” as they move on to the next item on their legislative agenda. From where I sit it seems like they’re all just going through the motions. Democrats propose important legislation which they are confident reflects the will of the people, and then Republicans tap them on the shoulder and say “you don’t have 60 votes”. Democrats respond;”we can’t argue with your math”. The legislation dies, dueling Press Releases get released to the press, and they all move on to repeating the exact same charade with the next important piece of Democratic legislation.

It seems like a “gentleman’s agreement” prevails in the Senate that says in unspoken words, “none of us are up for the stress of a real filibuster anymore, so let’s have cloture votes instead, and if Republicans can muster 40 votes we’ll consider that a substitute for a successful filibuster and save all of us a lot of unnecessary trouble.” Well what’s wrong with that, some might ask? If you know you will lose anyway, why not say uncle early and save yourself an unnecessary fight? I suppose it’s a fair question. When I begin to formulate an answer my mind fixes on an image from many years ago. If you allow me a short digression, I think you will understand why.

It was around 1980 and I was a member of an environmental activist organization that was staging a major protest against a large corporation which we believed was putting both the environment and public health in jeopardy through their actions. The protest campaign was approaching a climax and a decision had been made to attempt to shut down their corporate headquarters for one day through a non violent civil disobedience blockade of all the entrances to their building.

Our organization however faced a dilemma. Our members adhered to a very strict code of non violent conduct which prohibited any activity that might endanger either persons or property. Therefore we ruled out any behavior that would truly make an entrance impassible in case of, heaven forbid, a fire or some medical emergency. So putting Super Glue in locks, chaining of doors, anything like that was simply never an option.

Ideally we would have loved to have hundreds and hundreds of protesters willing to non violently block each of the entrances with our bodies, prepared to be arrested without resistance for our beliefs should police be called upon to remove us. We would have loved to position new waves of protesters to stand by and replace us at the doors when each prior batch got carted off to jail. There was just one small problem with that plan; we didn’t have enough people to pull it off. Turns out we couldn’t muster several hundred protesters willing and/or able to make that commitment at that moment in time; the most we could come up with was several dozen. So we had to find some face saving way to fake it.

The idea we came up with was pretty feeble, but it still seemed better than nothing. We accumulated a number of large collapsed cardboard boxes and a few roles of tape, and took them with us to the corporate headquarters to reassemble there. After arriving our largest group of protesters proceeded to the main entrance and peacefully blocked the doors there, sort of as originally planned, while a few of us headed off toward secondary exits, each carrying a large empty cardboard box in our arms which we planned to pile up by the doors. Not much of a real hindrance true, but we figured at least they would make a momentary, visually interesting symbolic barrier if nothing else.

Turns out the corporation in question feared publicity more than a minor one day disruption of their activities, so they essentially ignored us at their main entrance and directed employees to use side entrances instead. But the strangest thing happened. As the first of our box carriers approached the first side entrance, a company employee quickly shut and locked that entrance from inside, I assume to keep us and our menacing empty boxes safely outside. By the time we made it to the third and final alternate entrance, it was all any of us could do to keep a straight face, because by then it was apparent that all it took to get this corporation to barricade their own entrance for us was the approach of a single straggly protester carrying an empty cardboard box. Wham! Instant lock down.

We never got as far as actually leaving any boxes at the corporation’s door steps, since they effectively closed off their own entrances for us at the mere sight of one. As a result the company never got to see that the threat we bore them was completely hollow. After a couple of hours of successfully playing this game we decided to conclude the protest while we were still ahead, and before anyone actually called our bluff. And we happily went home feeling mission accomplished; with little muss, no fuss, and no jail.

So now when I see Democrats in the Senate pull together a clear majority of Senators behind important legislation that they are confident that the American people strongly support, only to discover a minority of Republicans waving a failed cloture vote in their faces to conjure up the menacing threat of a certain endless filibuster, this is what I think of. I visualize Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell marching toward the Senate Democratic Caucus holding a large, empty cardboard box while Democrats scramble to shut down their own initiative in order to avoid it.

Why should Democrats fear an actual Filibuster more than the Republicans? If the Democratic leadership puts the Senate into 24 hour session, it is Republicans who have to make fools of themselves reading from cookbooks in the middle of the night. Forcing the Republicans to filibuster to stop Democratic legislation each time Democrats can’t swing 40 votes to end normal debate on a measure would, I concede, be overly extreme and likely to backfire against them. Never forcing Senate Republicans to follow through on their implied willingness to filibuster critical legislation, I believe, is just as extreme a misuse of majority power. It is a veiled surrender to the extortion of minority intimidation.

There is an important positive message sent when people show a willingness to stand up and fight for something they truly believe in, that to an extent is independent from concerns about the most likely ultimate outcome of that fight. Republicans for the moment are getting a free ride to send that message every time they defeat a motion for cloture on debate of a measure that has the clear support of a majority of the Senate. Republicans assert that they care so passionately about preventing some harm to our Republic that they will filibuster if need be to stop it, and Democrats have still not called that bluff. How many rounds of “we tried but they won’t let us” do you figure it takes before the public starts to hold a Democratic Congress in low regard? Think maybe it’s already gotten to that point? Might the public start to wonder, are Democrats trying hard enough?

Sometimes, not every time but sometimes, begging off from an important fight because it appears unlikely it can be won comes at a higher cost than literal defeat. Sometimes the message is more important than the outcome. All out no holds barred 24/7 filibusters are certainly moments of high political drama, but there are times that are ripe for such high drama, and we are now living in such a time.

It’s true that no one asked for my advice, but if you’ve read this far already I figure you probably won’t object strenuously if I give it. I urge Senate Democrats to go back to wherever it is that they dropped the Webb-Hagel Readiness Amendment after it fell four votes short of the 60 they needed to make it filibuster proof. I suggest that they pick it up and dust it off, maybe give it a few minor cosmetic changes so that they can technically call it “revised”, and then resubmit it to the Senate for renewed consideration. And I suggest they then call the Republican bluff to filibuster against the Webb-Hagel Readiness Amendment if a vote for cloture can not be obtained through less strenuous means.

I guarantee this is one fight that the Republican Party does not want to wage in the spotlight of a real filibuster. They do not want to explain, at filibuster length, how refusing to guarantee our brave and patriotic active duty troops as much time at home following deployment to a war zone as they actually spent in that war zone, before they get shipped back into a war zone again is actually “supporting our troops”. The time has come for Republicans to put up. Or shut up.

Senator Reid, hold your ground if Mitch McDonnell comes marching toward you holding a large cardboard box. This time accept what he has to offer, and call the Senate into 24 hour session, for the purpose of providing relief and a small measure of fairness to America’s brave men and women, who daily risk their lives for our freedom and security. Republicans have much more to fear from staging that filibuster than Democrats do. It would ratchet up the heat on all of their chicken hawk hypocrisy, and show America who really supports our troops, if you called that Republican bluff. It’s their ultimate nightmare. Harry, give them Hell.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:31 PM
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24. Great piece, Tom! It is SO their "Ultimate Nightmare." I haven't seen you for ages.
Do you post in another forum? GD-Politics? Nice to see you again. I always enjoyed your writing.:)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:37 PM
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25. Thanks. More often at GD-Politics than GD
I haven't had as much time to post on DU the last month or two as some other times, but you can check out my DU Journal and find many of my DU posts there.

And of course I do have my own blog. I don't post there every week but when I write something major (from my perspective anyway) it ends up there:

A Left Turn FOR CLARK - www.aleftturnforclark.com
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:47 PM
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27. NICE blog name!
:7 I'll definitely go read it.

I am enjoying seeing him on MSNBC now. I never got to see him before because I don't watch FAUX NEWS, so seeing him weekly on MSNBC has been a real treat! What do you think he'll be doing next? Do you think he'll run for prez? Do you think he'll be a part of the Dem President's cabinet? I'm just praying he's a part of the next administration.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:11 PM
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28. Sigh, he really has us guessing
In early Spring he said that there were preconditions to his running that he was not at liberty to disclose, while also saying that he hasn't said he's not running, and that he thinks about it every day. He still says that now. There's a thread up now in GD-P about Clark's recent Congressional testimony. He is saying some serious shit about the entire Middle East, Clark worries about the drift toward a larger war and the lack of a strategic U.S. diplomatic strategy.

Back in the Spring Clark said that his priority was preventing further disaster in the middle east, and pointed out that once one becomes a candidate for President, suddenly everything you have to say gets viewed through a narrow partisan lens and dismissed as self serving propaganda. Clark says he consults with our current candidates on national security issues. You know, if he were already running for President he might not have been invited to give Congressional testimony last week. I think he knows that the best way to influence what happens both in America and in the world starting in 2009 is to run for President now. But he worries about what can still happen during the remainder of Bush's presidency, including an attack on Iran.

I love having Clark on MSNBC now. Usually I would watch tapes of his appearances on FOX over at SecuringAmerica.com after the fact,rather than watching it live on FOX.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:42 PM
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26. Was he just trying to make some news video clip with him calling for a vote, that could be used on
freakin' Fox News or on the campaign trail? :wtf:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:13 PM
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29. LOLOLOL!!!!! ... CHIIIIIIIICKEN!!! ... BOK! BOK! BOK! BOK! BOK! BOK! BOK! BOK!
See? Repukes are COWARDS!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:55 AM
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31. Didn't Lott lose a political position because of a racila slur a year or two ago...?
the asswipe should be greatful to have a job
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