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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:13 PM
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I respect the hell out of Gore, but...
what in the blue blazes was he thinking when he had Lieberman as a running mate?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:14 PM
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1. He was thinking he needed a balanced ticket.
He was seen as a liberal dem, he needed a conservative dem.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:15 PM
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2. I remember not liking Lieberman much then...
his voice got on my last nerve. Totally hate him now.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:17 PM
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4. Well, yeah. I don't like any conservative dems.
The nice thing about the Office of the Vice President is they don't do anything. So Gore could balance the ticket, and put Joe where he wouldn't do any harm.

Of course, he had no way of knowing how batshit insane Lieberman would end up in the last seven years.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:18 PM
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7. What, you don't like Jack Murtha? He's about as conservative as they get. NT
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:25 PM
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14. Nope. Sure don't.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:48 PM
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36. The Vice President is becoming more and more influential...
Obviously the next Vice President isn't going to be as influential as Cheney (nor should he be). But when Gore was VP, he really shaped a model for future Vice Presidents as a key advisor to the President. Perhaps most importantly, as the only advisor besides the President's wife, that the President can't fire. This means that they are able to stand up to the President and tell him he's wrong when others might be afraid to.

Also, the other obvious thing to point out is that Presidents are mortal. The Republicans learned that the hard way when William McKinley was assassinated.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:56 PM
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37. You were wise...I had no
idea who this lieberman was. I was willing to like him but as the months went by he was boring me to tears..little saboteur that he is.

I think Gore's "advisors" had a big part in lieman..maybe Al will write a book about that someday when all this other shyte is fixed.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:15 PM
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3. He was taking advice from the DLC
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 09:44 PM by Vincardog
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:17 PM
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6. loser
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 09:38 PM by blogslut
Not that I believe Chuck Schumer is one. I like the guy. Not fond of the DLC. Just the same,

The word is loser, not looser. Please. I beg you all. I fear for the future of this word.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:19 PM
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9. Indeed, the "loose" word goes with BOWELS!! nt
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:35 PM
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33. I do too. I seriously think that the "correct" spelling of the word will change
because it's spelled wrong so often.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:17 PM
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5. Well ... I guess everyone makes that one big mistake in their life:
Gore's was Lieberman.

On the bright side, Gore got his "big mistake" out of the way, so if he ever does become president, we wouldn't have to worry about it. ;-)
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:20 PM
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10. Yep, we can take comfort in that
:)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:19 PM
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8. Lieberman has gone way to the dark-side since
I consider him now amongst the most hateful of Republicans.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:36 PM
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29. He's Even Worse
Lieman is even worse than a lot of Republicans because he acts like he is annointed by god or something. He has this air of holier-than-thou that I just cannot abide.
Lee
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:22 PM
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11. We were living in a completely different world seven
years ago. When I think about those days now, it makes me sad.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:24 PM
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13. I drove to Tennessee to see Gore unveil the ticket.
It seems like a millenium ago, now, mountainvue. So true, so true. And sad.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:22 PM
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12. I think he thought Lieberman could carry Florida...
and he was right. I think Lieberman has changed since 2000. He wasn't the smuck then that he has become. Maybe his support of AIPAC wasn't as dangerous then as it is now. Or perhaps it was, and we just didn't realize it.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:28 PM
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16. No, LIEbermann was always an asshole.
Just ask Marilyn Manson.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:18 PM
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31. Off Topic, But
the sig picture you had the other night that I told you was drawn by a freeper and that you subsequently removed, was actually more tasteful then the one you have now.

You can be against somebody without having to be so utterly tasteless. Do you think you're cool or something? Seriously?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:31 PM
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32. why? i won't have the opportunity to ask marilyn manson.
maybe you could take a moment to explain it to those of us unhip to whatever it is you're talking about.

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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:29 PM
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17. maybe he should have went with Graham if he wanted florida
joe-mentum for the jewish population wouldn't have been able to compete with Graham's popularity.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:34 PM
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21. I certainly agree...
Graham would have been a much better choice and that choice wouldn't have been haunting Gore and the D's now. Lieberman looks like a ghost and he haunts like one.

Wow, he just said "We didn't start this war, they did by attacking us"????? What a smuck!
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:09 PM
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26. Do you think Nelson will be the VP pick
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 05:10 PM by jcrew2001
and could he carry florida. I certainly think so, unless the GOP nominate Martinez or JEB as VP.

sometimes i think lieberman's religion/ethnicity clouds his judgement, but thats just my opinion.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:15 PM
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30. I think he will be on the list...
I'm not sure he will be the selection - depends on who gets the nomination. I honestly see Florida going Dem (especially if the votes are counted correctly) no matter whose on the ticket. This administration has not done well by the retired. I think the big L appealed to both the Jewish population and the retired; that is before he became so cloudy.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:40 PM
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35. Nelson probably wouldn't do that much to tip Florida
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 08:41 PM by Hippo_Tron
Surprisingly for someone who has such a distinguished public service career, he's not all that popular. The only reason he did so well last time is because nobody likes Katherine Harris. If he'd had a real challenger, he would've been in for the fight of his life.

IMO, Bob Graham would've been a good choice for a running mate for both Gore and Kerry.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:26 PM
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15. It's all Nader's fault. ( n/t )
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:30 PM
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18. ...
:spank:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:31 PM
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19. Florida retirement community votes nt
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:34 PM
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20. It's not much remembered now but there was a lot of initial enthusiasm for that ticket
because it was a historic first--a Jew on the national ticket--and Lieberman initially made a good impression. Their polls improved. Now, I'm not talking about the hard left but among Dems and Ind as a whole it was considered a good choice. The reason why Gore chose Lieberman was because of the Clinton scandals and they felt they needed somebody who was squeeky clean and a dem who spoke out against Clinton strongly yet voted against impeachment--Lieberman fit the bill. Of course Lieberman now is a national scold who considers himself the only man of conscience in politics.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:35 PM
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22. "We didn't start this war, they did by attacking us"?????
What a smuck!
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:37 PM
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23. Lieberman repudiated Clinton, but wasn't yet CRAZY
The same sort of descent into insanity happened in Lieberman in the last 6 years as happened in McCain. They've been replaced by robots or something...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:45 PM
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24. He should have picked another vet and had camo campaign bumper stickers. nt
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:47 PM
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25. Maybe LIEberman used to have pre 9/11 mindset.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:13 PM
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27. lieberlie has seemed to have changed of late
I think maybe his true colors weren't displayed at the time like they are now
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:15 PM
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28. The fact Gore chose Lieberman speaks volumes...
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:37 PM
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34. Foreign Policy wasn't on the top of the agenda in 2000...
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 08:42 PM by Hippo_Tron
And until it became the top of the agenda, we didn't realize just how much of a right winger Lieberman was.

Lieberman fit into Gore's strategy for two reasons

1) Gore wanted to distance himself from Clinton, and Lieberman was quick to condemn Clinton

2) Jewish voters, particularly in Florida

IMO, he should've picked Russ Feingold. Russ would've done both of those things and prevented a lot of people from voting for Nader.

BTW, I think that Gore made it pretty clear that he regretted his choice when he endorsed Howard Dean in 2004.
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