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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:36 PM
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Larry Flynt: "I have 30 names. You will be shocked."
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:29 AM by cui bono
He's on Larry King now and he said he's deciding whether to give them all out at once or let them out one at a time like "drip, drip, drip".

He said he was particularly shocked by one senator's name.

:popcorn:


EDITED TO ADD TRANSCRIPT SECTION:

KING: Larry, without naming them, because we stand under legal protection here, are others coming?

FLYNT: Oh, yes. We've gotten 10 times more leads from the recent ad in "The Post" than we got during the Clinton impeachment. Unbelievable. We've got...

KING: Ten times more leads?

FLYNT: Yes.

KING: Does that mean you have phone numbers that you're following up?

FLYNT: Not just phone numbers.

KING: Names?

FLYNT: We've got good leads. We've got over 300 initially. And they're down to about 30 now which is solid.

KING: When are you going to print?

FLYNT: Well, the last thing now is we don't know if we want to let it to drip, drip, drip or we want to go with everything at once.

KING: You mean you might release 30 names at once?

FLYNT: A good possibility.

KING: Will we be -- I don't want to get into names yet. Will we be shocked?

FLYNT: Yes.

KING: Were you shocked?

FLYNT: I was shocked, especially at one senator but...

KING: One senator especially?

FLYNT: Yes.



FLYNT: We'll cooperate with Jeane in any way we possibly can. But I want to point something out very important. (inaudible) lied on TV when he apologized to the nation. He...

KING: Lied how?

FLYNT: ... well, he's using his wife and kids as a shield and said what happened. Those rumors out of Louisiana where he had a small brothel of hookers. That was not true. Well, it is true. I'm working with the major Louisiana media down there.

KING: You say he had a brothel of hookers in Louisiana?

FLYNT: There's been about five we've been able to track down so far. So you see what happens when you're a guy like him and you're not completely honest, see, he didn't even have to bring that up. And now that he's brought it up, everybody is all over it, including us.


Anyone find it "odd" that the name he mentioned was somehow the only word that was inaudible? Must be Vitter though.

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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:37 PM
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1. I'll second the
:popcorn:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:16 PM
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272. It's Like McCarthyism With Real People Doing Real Things
as opposed to Reagan's sanctimonious testimony and the blacklisting.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:00 PM
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332. a billion times better than Paris Hilton crap, especially Vitter hypocrisy
Normally I wouldn't pay attention but I do when they are so loudly hypocritical, like TV preachers or Congressman condemning others.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #332
347. and yet, look at the kid gloves that the Corp Media extends to Vitter
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:38 PM
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2. did he say the number of Dems vs Republics?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:42 PM
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He's said he's not concerned with anyone but hypocrites
and will out only those pillars of community and church who have been hostile to reproductive rights, howling for abstinence among youth, screeching about an end to marital infidelity, and were out to get Clinton out of office for unreciprocated oral sex from an overheated groupie.

I can't think of any sanctimonious senator I'd be shocked about. I'm surprised he is.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:53 PM
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55. Orin? Could it be Orin? Or Joe? Oh let it be Joe
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Orin I heard was a Washington womanizer.
But that was a long time ago and maybe he just plays checkers now.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #63
335. orin hatch a womanizer...puleeeeeze
if he was patronizing any ho's it would not be women.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #55
121. Puh-LEEEZZZ let it be Joe!
:popcorn:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #121
254. No, No, NOT Joe!
for no other reason than that Connecticut has a Republican governor.

If it MUST be a Democrat, let it be from a state with a Democratic governor.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #254
318. Joe is no Democrat - Literally or Figuratively
When it comes to his votes on the most important issue of our time he might as well have an R after his name anyway..... besides if it IS Joe who has been ratted out by some whore he had sex with or some intern he boffed that doesn't mean he'll be thrown out of office before the next election: It just means he's less likely to get support and be re-elected. It might be enough of a take down however to leave him in "funniest joke on The Hill status" and whipe that smug look off his hypocriticle lying face though.

I say:

Let it be Holy Joe!!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #318
342. I hope it is holey Joe too...if Larry is correct and if only one third of
the names turn out to be scandals Joe will be totally neutered anyway.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #318
416. Don't care if he quits...I'd be happy if it shut him up. n/t
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #55
192. My first thought was Orrin Hatch too...
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 09:20 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
Liebermann would be equally shocking. Just please don't let it be poor Teddy (though that wouldn't be shocking).

oh and NOT John Edwards. His wife doesn't deserve or need that...
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #192
211. L. Flynt said
he would only expose Repubs, the ones who are most self-righteous "family value" guys, so I that eliminates Demos, by definition, with the 1 exception of Joe Lieberman, of course.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #211
331. GOOD-i'm relieved
missed that part. Lie-berman can hardly be considered Dem anyway as we all know.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #211
345. I vote that they start a major series like your fired "The apprentice"
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 04:06 PM by ooglymoogly
with Flynt playing the role of the donald and it would be called The Hypocrite with "so and so you are a hypocrite and you are fired", devoting a whole week to each one showing all the juicy details with the hypocrite exposed at the end of each weekly program. Now that would be nail biting entertainment the entire world would watch.
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #211
372. Joe?
when did he turn into a democrat??? :think:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #192
337. teddy and edwards thankfully are not hypocrites
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #55
238. How 'bout Jon Kyl of AZ? He's pretty f'n sanctimonious and anti-everything human.
That would be a hoot!

Ralphie 'I could'a been a contender' Reed? <----churchie, anti-choice, anti-GLBT, anti-sanity

It'd be HUGH!!!1!111!!!!
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #238
294. Brownback!
Duncan Hunter, both would be deliriously delicious!:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :spank:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #294
319. Either of them would be perrrrrrfect
Both of them have their bibles so far up their hinies that it ends up hurting US.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #55
250. My first thought was Orrin too.
But then again, I wouldn't be shocked to know that as I think all those out preaching this drivel are probably hiding something.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #55
393. Holy Joe?
I don't think he has the guts.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM
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67. The one that would shock me is Lieberman.
THAT would shock me.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #67
88. That would thrill me!!!
I'd be giggling for weeks!
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #88
203. Just giggling?
I wouldn't be able to stop howling.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #88
207. Yep...but it would gross me out too
...just trying to picture Joementum getting all smoove and "Hey, baby".
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #207
321. He probably had a male prostitute dress up like Bush in his flight suit
"Ooooh, baby, tell me it's Mission Accomplished!"

x(
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #321
346. I bet Joe really cuts loose when Hadassah
is at her Hadassah meetings. (That's got to be an ego boost. Like joining the PurpleChez Scouts.) But back to Joe...he could pay a dom to dress up like Chimpy and bark orders at him while he licks her boots. "Yes, my Dark Master! I live to grovel!"
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #67
104. That Would Make Me Dance....n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #67
212. Not me. The greater the sanctimony
the likelier it is to be a cover for something really, really awful, and Holy Joe has enough sanctimony for a whole Senate.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #67
228. There's lots that would be "shocking"
Bill Frist? Mitch McConnell? Trent?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #67
336. He'd shock me too
He looks pretty limp to me.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:07 AM
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74. so what I'm getting from this quote -
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:30 AM by mzteris
"A pillar of community OR CHURCH who have been who have been hostile to reproductive rights, howling for abstinence among youth, screeching about an end to marital infidelity, and were out to get Clinton out of office for unreciprocated oral sex from an overheated groupie."



it doesn't necessarily even have to be a POLITICIAN at all.

And as someone said below - what would shock Larry Flynt?

So if you combine those pieces of information.


CHURCH;
Billy Graham?
The Pope?

None of the others would "shock" me, I don't think. OK Mother Teresa's name would shock even Larry. (I kid. Sorry if anyone's offended. Just trying to think of the most far fetched person I could there!)


PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY:
Ken Starr? nah - not shocking.
One of the Supremes? - maybe shocking.
Oooooo - I got it!!!!! Phyllis Schafly!!! :rofl: Now THAT would be funny.
"Dr." Laura - that'd be another good one, eh?





EDIT: on adding the Transcript he says he's shocked at "one Senator" - so there's that. But I still think it'd be funny if some of those others were on there. Not FUNNY, sad really -the whole thing, but you know what I mean.
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Unreconstructed Lib Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #74
90. I hope he drips, drips, drips them out
and lets each one twist in the wind for a week or two before giving out the next one.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #90
130. Drip Drip Drip. Now there's a kind of trickle down that I can get behind. nt
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:45 AM
Response to Reply #130
160. How about a fresh one every Monday morning at 6amET?
A little something for people to talk about all week long.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:59 AM
Response to Reply #160
162. Priceless!!!
a great idea. That way we avoid the Friday news dumps and have an entire week to schedule guests for the Sunday Morning talk shows. A Superb Concept!:toast:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #74
195. Oh please let it be Phyllis Schlafly!
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #74
430. I've seen stuff about Mother Teresa that would anger many here.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 11:00 PM by chknltl
Not sure where I saw the material anymore but it painted her as a shill for the church. The material claimed she used her status as a means to gain money and power FOR the church OVER the very needs of the folks we picture her as helping, often at great cost in pain and suffering to those folks.

On edit I found a link to something Christopher Hitchens had to say on Mother Teresa. I am no fan of that well known drunk Hitchens, but his words here mirror somewhat the material I had read on her by a different detractor. http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:49 AM
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259. A married adulterer = hypocrite by default, IMO
Nevertheless, I'll be happy with just repug names being released :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:04 PM
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265. Ayuh! It's the
HYPOCRICY, STUPID! :popcorn: :popcorn:
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:26 PM
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282. I want it to be Brownback!
That would be hugh!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #282
286. Odds are it will be religious fanatics: Hatch/Browback/Lieberman
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #286
287. Didn't Flynt run a hype like this before and it was a bust??????
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #287
293. It was a success.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:32 PM
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284. If Flynt has inside info . . . can he tell us anything about who Jeff Gannon was visiting????
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #284
295. Anyone who knows that and wants a million bucks could reveal the info.
That would be freaking sweet beyond sugar.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #295
302. Yeah and wind up in a serious "accident"
Or have a "heart attack."

Or a "plane crash."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #302
307. One must always weigh the risk, but death is not a given outcome.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #307
325. No but that kind of information
About those kinds of powerful people will come at a price, of that I am fairly certain.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #284
369. Oh, man, I really wish that Flynt would do some research into the Gannon matter.
Inquiring minds want to know...
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #284
404. That's the $64 million question, isn't it?
So many overnight stays to the White House for a pseudo-journalist/escort? Research for a in-depth story? Riiight.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:38 PM
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3. I understand why he's doing it...
but I don't care who is boinking who.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #3
21. I care. If it gets some of them unelected for being hypocritcal
holier-than-thous, than good for Flynt.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #21
33. I can't bring myself to care...
about the boinking hypocrites do. I find it rather pointless when there are far more important things to be care about. But, corporate media will go with the mindset that sex sells and this will take precedence over Iraq, health care and other issues.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. You don't care if their boinking wins us more seats in the Senate? n/t
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #39
53. Iraq is going to win us more seats in congress...
If a repuke loses an election because he boinked someone, they could still be replaced by another repuke. With Iraq, chances of a dem getting it is far better, IMO.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. Nothing wrong with having an 'edge'!
;)

Death by a thousand cuts!! :woohoo:

:rofl:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #53
108. When your party claims to be holier than thou...
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:41 AM by Hippo_Tron
One sex scandal damages the entire party. Just look at Mark Foley. If several prominent Republicans are outed, it will do serious damage to the party as a whole, which by default is good for the Democrats. Scandals that cause the downfall of an incumbent usually cause it at the hands of someone of the opposite party. Only if the Congressman or Senator is from an extremely red state or district will the sex scandal just cause them to get beaten in the primary by another Republican and that Republican will in turn win an election.

It's unfortunate that our political discourse is this shallow, but the reality is that the more Republicans who have sex scandals, the more Democrats will get elected and in turn we will be better able to deal with Iraq.

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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #53
263. You seriously underestimate the christo-fascists
They would NEVER consider voting for someone exposed. Yes, there will be another candidate, and no we wouldn't be able to capitalize on all of the Senate/House races, but if we can pick up a few seats than I'm all for it.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #53
271. But resignations of the right pugs could get us a bigger senate
majority. There is also the fact that their campaigns were based on "family values" when their lives are the opposite. This is a big a lie as any other spoken lie.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #33
49. You SHOULD CARE! Not about what they're doing, I don't either.
But you should care because that's the ONE THING that will lose their supporters in a heartbeat! You may feel this is not the way you want to win a super majority, but it's effective, legal, and these AH'S are all hypocrits!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #49
59. I don't have to care and don't want to...
who boinked who is not on my list of priorities. It sure wasn't when Clinton was running and when he was president. It's not now and will never be.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #59
186. I appreciate where you're coming from cynatnite
But this is the party, and in a lot of cases mostly the same incumbents, that ground the business of American government to a halt over their obsession with Bill Clinton's unit.

I say let em have it :evilgrin:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #59
208. nm
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 09:54 AM by redqueen
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #59
223. this is about character and ethics, not about who's boinking who
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:06 AM
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72. If any of these family values guys are caught skinny dipping
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:08 AM by pnwmom
it's not our job to hand them them their clothes and help them get dressed.

I say we should grab the clothes, run away, and hide them!
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:42 AM
Response to Reply #49
159. I hope you're right however
don't be surprised if their supporters are hypocrits as well. Watch how quickly, all of a sudden, adultery is "personal business" and "not such a big deal". I hope you're right but I don't think so.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #159
405. Yeah...sounds like Tucker Carlson
Have you heard him talking about the Vitter scandal? The way he's talking about it, you'd think he's visiting prostitutes himself every other week. Me thinks he doth protest too much.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:24 AM
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92. I care about gay rights, reproductive rights, stem cell research and religious freedom
And if assholes like Vitter want to justify denying any of those things to others based on his own version of morality? IMO, it is not pointless to use the fact that he doesn't live up to his own "standards" against him in a effort to make life better for everyone else.

(besides, the diaper thing? hilarious!)
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:26 AM
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96. Diaper thing was pretty funny
:)
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #96
241. I was wondering-Do you think I could get in trouble if I mailed Vitter a Pampers?
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:06 AM
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249. probably safe enough, but don't send a used one nt
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #241
395. Only if
it contained Anthrax.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #33
134. Whatever it takes.
We need to be pragmatic about this. If they take themselves out through sex scandals, or whatever, and are replaced by Democrats, we win. It may not be pretty, but it works.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #33
184. I care because they have made their fortunes on the private lives of others, exploiting
and fueling bigotry over those private lives.

Their hypocrisy needs to be exposed.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:57 AM
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210. I care about the take over of our country by religious extremists
Revealing the hypocrisy of those who are pushing ridiculous and hate-filled legislation will stop them in their tracks.

It's been a horrific waste of time for our country to debate Terri Schiavo and constitutional amendments banning gay marriage, while allowing tens of thousands of people to die horrible deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I want the nonsense to stop. This is the quickest and most effective way to end it.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #33
264. Have you ever been their favorite target?
Because, if you haven't, then you probably wouldn't know how damaging it is on a purely personal level to know slimebags like these are just as falliable as anyone else (and usually more so), while at the same time hearing them say bad things to the entire nation about you and people like you.

It sounds to me as though you don't 'get' the whole hypocrisy angle of this.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:37 AM
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174. I don't care either, unless they are running of family values
And are completely hypocritacal about these matters.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #174
424. yes
when they are calling me immoral they make their business MY business
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:32 AM
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202. I don't care about the boinking, and I don't even care really about the hypocrisy.
I expect public figures to be hypocrites. Especially politicians, since, in many ways, it isn't their job to represent their own views as much as the views of their constituents. A bit of hypocrisy is expected.

But I do care about this. If a preacher or politician has been telling people "Abortion is murder," for instance, and then we find, like Bob Barr, that they were involved in an abortion, I want to see that info made public. Barr caused a lot of pain to people who had abortions, or were considering them. How many young women suffered horrible guilt, or had children they shouldn't have had, because of the dictates of that man, because of the horrible accusations he made. If he doesn't believe those accusations, I want him exposed, I want him to suffer justice. I want him to feel what he's made others feel.

Same with the high and mighty who have condemned homosexuality, or have used promiscuity to attack others. Anyone who attacked Clinton, for instance, while doing the same things they condemned him for, deserves the justice of exposure. Anyone who preaches regularly about abstinence, but who doesn't follow it, deserves to be exposed, as justice for the horrible things they've made others feel, and worse, for the people they've caused to avoid birth control when it would have prevented an unwanted pregnancy. They've told others to live up to standards they themselves couldn't attain. They have made peopl suffer because of actions that they themselves were taking.

Exposing them isn't revenge. It isn't political strategy--and frankly I'm sickened by the surprising number of Democrats who want to use it that way, who want to become Republicans. It is justice. Even if none of these figures go down (no pun) over these exposures, people need to see that they don't really believe the words they are saying, and that they don't really practive what they preach. People need to be liberated from this moral tyrants, and therefore these tyrants need to be exposed as having no moral ground from which to condemn others.

That's my take on it. And I hope Flynt sticks only to clear cases of hypocrisy, and doesn't just turn this into a game of catching people with their pants down.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #3
232. Actually,
it's "who is boinking WHOM." If you're going to talk about illicit boinking, can we please keep it grammatically correct?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #232
354. You have my sympathies.
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 05:02 PM by EST
It doesn't seem to matter what you do, people don't get it. One would think a politician with a doctorate or a masters would be able to get the hang of such things and not say, "They handed off the ball to he and I."
"Whom will have the ball and to who do they hand off?" grates, as well.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #3
426. Unfortunately our political discourse is so shallow that it does matter
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 03:33 AM by Hippo_Tron
More Republicans sex scandals = more Republicans losing re-election. More Republicans losing re-election = easier to get out of Iraq and do other things that we want.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
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4. Lieberman. It's gotta be.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 PM
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18. Well, he wasn't a "Death Do Us Part" kinda guy--Hadassah is #2 nt
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #18
71. OMG = I thot Orthodox Jews were NOT supposed to divorce.
Kinda like Catholics.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #71
152. Apparently it's flexible, if the spouse is a bit more secular....
:shrug:
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #71
201. Actually, that is not true
There is no prohibition against divorce in Judaism. In fact, there is a particular procedure for a Jewish divorce. The divorce rate among the Orthodox is higher than you think.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 PM
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19. Yeah, our reaction too.
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
40. Say it ain't so Holy Joe!
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drad Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:52 PM
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51. that'd be sweet
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #4
144. I'd put good money on it not being Lieberman
Democrats are never that lucky
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #144
299. I KNOW WHO!
John McCain! Is that how he got suckered into being W's best bud? WHy he's gone so off the wall?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
326. Doesn't Lieberman seem creepy enough to have a Diaper Fetish?
I swear, there is something thoroughly repulsive about that guy.

Or maybe it's a toddler fetish:

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
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5. ...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
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6. I vote "drip, drip, drip."
:D
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
62. Drip drip drip
Make them sweat
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #62
122. Definitely drip...
Stress can cause you to make critical mistakes. Better we let them marinate for a while until they're nice and tender. Then we send in the lions.

:evilgrin:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #6
268. Unless there are senators on the list. Out them NOW
Hell, chances are good bush/cheney is already blackmailing them. Make public any info on hypocrites in the Senate and you free up some votes! Once outed, not open to bushco blackmail, no need to toe the party line! ;)

Attention anti-choice, anti-GLBT, anti-religious-freedom hypocrites:
The truth (out) will set you free!

:rofl:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
280. I vote for a "surge"
:rofl:
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
Response to Original message
7. Oooooooooo.....
Do we get to make guesses?

If I'm going to be shocked I'm guessing Lindsay Graham!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
26. Yeah. I said this 1st, then hubby said Liberman. OOOOOOwow.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #7
61. WHY would you be shocked about him?
I'm sure the madam has male escorts, too.

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #61
260. Interesting ....
What if Joe likes to dress up as Golda Meir?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #260
349. I meant Lindsey Graham.
But Joe'd be good, too.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #349
381. Lindsey Graham the Cracker.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #260
397. Naaaah --
he's prettier than her.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
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8. May I join you?
:popcorn: :beer:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
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9. one at a time! one at a time!

Flynt is a hypocrisy-killah


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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:39 PM
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10. I don't care if 29 of them are dems
let ONE be Cheney,wearing a bustier,having his hiney spanked
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Okay, that's an image which will require therapy...
:rofl:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:29 AM
Response to Reply #12
167. Therapy? Oh, pshaw! Just imagine...
his ample man-bosom cantilevered into two irresistible pale mounds of wiry-haired scar-tissue.

Come and get it!

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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #167
221. Oh, Kurovski! Coffee I was not supposed to be drinking all over the keyboard!
:rofl: :spray:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #221
291. Yes. It causes real excitement, doesn't it?
:hi:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Oh, that would be great!
He's too MEAN; he probably likes people tortured in front of him or something.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #14
28. in my prior life-guys like Cheney like to be spanked
don't ask me how I know=it'll come out soon enough
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. And they like rubber bands that tightly force their precious
Flesh to remain engorged
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
Original message
Hey - can you IM me about good weight training for the post-C-section
woman.

BTW, my husband still likes to spank me - and me him. I just want to tone up this damn skin. ;)
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:53 PM
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57. LOL-tomorrow,when I'm sober
I will mail you a great program.If you can't wait=google "Charles poliquin"
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #57
98. OK - I did and found his site and searched for C-Section
and didn't find anything.

Although, I think he's the one guy that gave me a little hope. Isn't he the guy who says fat is in the cells of skin and that you CAN lose the skin with proper training? I'm back below my pre-preg weight and still have TONS of loose skin around the middle (I'm not freaking out yet. My baby is only 5 and 1/2 weeks old).

Do IM me tomorrow when we're both sober. :7
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #28
69. HeeHee.
I hope a whole ton of bad things about Darth will come out.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
164. Walked on by a spike-heeled lass: also popular.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Should be a great "deer in headlights" kind of surprise.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. There were rumors about Cheney weren't there?
Or was it only wishful thinking?

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
29. IT WAS CHENEY! Here is the proof....
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #29
301. Yes but
Nobody would be shocked!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:14 AM
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85. O I think I'm gonna barf. Nasty image of Vader, please go away.nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:40 PM
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11. Butter in the middle and on top, and a large Mountain Dew for me, please....
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:35 PM
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385. Got any sour patch kids??
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
13. Didn't he say the same thing when Bob Livingston got busted?
And why is it that all these philanderers are from Louisiana?
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Sonicmedusa Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:42 PM
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16. Frankly, I am sick of hearing about it
Another snooze fest.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Thanks for sharing.
:nopity:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. Well goodnight then...
sleep tight.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #24
300. ...and don't let the pubic lice bite.
(I couldn't resist. That sentence was just hanging there.)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. Vitter is fighting for his political life. If several more Repubs
have to go through the same thing, so much the better.

Fortunately for any Dems who are involved, their constituency is less likely to care.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. Just put these threads on "ignore" instead of clicking onto them.
I'm enjoying the heck out of them.
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Sonicmedusa Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:53 PM
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58. Why don't the rest of you start demanding these people put the meat on the "Table"?
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM by Sonicmedusa
Edited for shity grammar.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #58
91. Vitter was prime rib, delivered by Flynt.
Oh yeah, and that Livingston thing, too.

And it sounds like the tenderloin, baby back ribs, and filet mignon is yet to come.

Since we're doing the meat analogy and all.

Are you saying that Flynt hasn't delivered?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:25 AM
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93. You EDIT for "shity grammar" in a response to your own post. Fascinating. nm
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #93
101. I was going to point that out...
but I didn't want to be an "ashole."

:D
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:25 AM
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127. The circumstances of my birth forced me to conquer such fears long ago. LIBERATING, it was.
What's she gonna do- call me a "Dick"? Pfft! :eyes:
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:47 AM
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131. Aw, c'mon Dick. Have you no sempithy? nt
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:12 AM
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220. "Edited For Shity Grammar"
I suggest you keep editing. :rofl:
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
361. Do NOT tell republicans to put their meat on the table
They will take it way too literally, and you really don't want to be in the same room when that happens.

:puke:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #16
185. I'd be sick of it too -- if I wanted Republican hypocrites in power.
But I don't.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:15 PM
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303. I'll bet you're not gay.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
327. Your concern is noted.
:rofl:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:42 PM
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17. Bet I won't be
Dem OR Repub.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 PM
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23. No way that's true.
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 11:45 PM by dicksteele
I'll gladly bet a nickel that I'll not be in any way "shocked".

What's the most "shocking" possibility? Condi? Pickles?
Would anyone really be "shocked" by that? I've seen worse
at birthday parties.

If Rick "mandog nuptuals" Santorum -ISN'T- on the list, I'll be pretty surprised,
but not so much as to call it "shocked".

Richard
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:35 PM
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316. How about Condi and Pickles together.....
...I'm just gagging about that one. I'll leave with one more ewwwwww thought, Dick and Bush with them.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:10 PM
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324. Intriguing, certainly. But hardly "shocking".
Given their personality types, that actually wouldn't surprise me at all.

I could easily see Condi playing "ringmaster", and
making Pickles "jump through hoops" for the little
Dictatortot's twisted amusement.

Sounds like EXACTLY the type of thing they'd do, IMHO.

(But throwing Darth into that mix really is just "ewwwww"!)
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:44 PM
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25. Go Lieberman!
I so hope that sanctimonious shithead made the list...
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:44 PM
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27. Thank you, cui bono! I'll have to read the transcript later.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:25 AM
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94. You're welcome. I just added some of the transcript to the OP. n/t
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:45 PM
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30. payback's a bitch.. too bad there are only 30.... -nt
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:45 PM
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31. Larry?? Kick them where it counts...NOW!!
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 11:45 PM by Breeze54
Don't torture THE PEOPLE!!!

We have a ...er...ummm...right to know who the hypocrites are!!

Pleaeezze?? :rofl:

I hate popcorn! ;)
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:47 PM
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34. Drop the big one now n/t
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:48 PM
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35. Fred Thompson?
That would be fun.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:46 AM
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258. But not terribly shocking.
:)
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:49 PM
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38. What if it is
Edwars or Obama, or even Byrd, will we be so quick to chortle with glee........

:eyes:

I hate this kind of gotcha crap, what people do in privacy is none of anyones business.......
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
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41. If its Byrd, we'll all be duly impressed that he's still capable at that age.
Like when Al Gore's son got arrested while doing 100 in a Prius, everyone's reaction was "he got a Prius to go 100? Good for him!"
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:43 AM
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112. IIf it were Byrd, millions of men and women would cheer for the hope he would have given them.
Old doesn't mean dead.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:17 AM
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189. And then will it the affair be with a male or female... Byrd & Johnny Jo...
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:15 PM
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269. If he can still do it at his age, good for him.
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:16 PM by caligirl
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:27 AM
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199. Or when Detroit Mayor Coleman Young was found to have fathered his son
He was in his 70s at the time. Conyers had a couple of kids in his 60s-we were all joking that the water in Detroit must have some quality that is beneficial to men's reproductive systems.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:52 PM
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47. Flynt is most interested in the hypocrites. So are the prostitutes who got busted, I'm sure.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:52 PM
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50. They condemn prostitutes?
I guess I missed that holier-than-thou bullshit in their campaigns.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:52 PM
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52. Anyone over 80 gets a free pass.
:)
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:53 PM
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54. Gee whiz it would be sooo nice if people in power didn't judge me
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:09 AM by libnnc
as a lesbian for what I do in MY bedroom...

I'm sick and fucking tired of holy rolling assholes (GOPers AND holier than thou Conservative DEMS) telling me who gets to do what with MY "miss kitty".

In case you missed it, THAT'S the point of all this. It's the hypocrisy. Don't tell me my relationship is less than yours when you're paying behind your spouse's back to get your knob waxed. Family Values my ass.


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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:53 PM
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56. Democrats have been asking for privacy in the bedroom for years
However, they feel need to be voyeurs into consenting adults bedrooms...maybe finally they will get the point that this isn't always a good idea.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:07 AM
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73. I would agree with you...
if the Republicans that run campaigns of moral purity agreed that what I do in privacy is none of their business. But since they don't and they insist on inserting themselves into the private lives of others, then their private lives are fair game as well.

It could be Edwards or Obama or Byrd, but none of them hold themselves out as "holier-than-thou" types (and try to legislate as such) like Vitter does, now do they?

I could care less who is boinking whom or who is paying for sex, what bothers me is the hypocrisy. That's the point.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:10 AM
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80. it's the hypocrisy
If these weren't holier than thou little
Jesus thugs trying to tell gay people who to marry and the rest of us how to live our private
lives, NO ONE WOULD CARE! It's the hypocrisy that sticks -- that's what the problem is, not
the fact they went to a prostitute.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:13 AM
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84. None of them fit the bill do they?
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:15 AM by mzmolly
:shrug:

I agree it's none of our business. But, it might be prudent to expose those who wish to engage in dictating what OTHERS do in their private time? If someone rails against that which they partake in, and runs a campaign on these very issues, they should be exposed to the people who vote for them based upon their so called "morality." It's about making an educated choice as a voter.

You and I don't care to have politicans dicate our morality but conservatives do, and as such they deserve the info they need to vote for those who they can fully support. ;)

I was conflicted until I worked this out thinking outloud. I may regret this but "Go Larry!"
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:40 AM
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109. Yes! Oh Wait...
We should NEVER strike back and show their TOTAL FUCKING HYPOCRISY even when they ruin actual lives EVERY FUCKING DAY with their Right Wing GARBAGE and their Right Wing Laws...people even die because of them and then they turn around and do what they condemn. These people don't even allow me to have a full life, marry the woman I've been with for 15 years, be on her insurance so I can have health coverage, let us inherit, make decisions for each other if one of us becomes unable...THEY KILL US...and then they want us to keep their nasty little secrets. :rofl: Not going to happen.
Lee
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everydayis911 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:02 AM
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402. Here! Here!
I totally agree
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:58 AM
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161. If they're making laws and breaking them at the same time, damn right it's our business
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:57 AM
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169. I don't disagree with you; however,
If his list includes the people who want to legislate the private lives of others, and deny rights to people who don't live in a way others approve of, then color me catty, I'm all for it.
meow.
Peace.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:59 AM
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177. Yanno... it's before 8 am.... don't put visuals of Byrd naked with a hooker in my head please
:spank:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:15 AM
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188. If they have made others' private lives their bu$ine$$, then theirs is fair game.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:29 AM
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229. It is our business
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 10:44 AM by Stuckinthebush
When it is THEIR business (so they think) to try to legislate morality.

A Dem who never tried to legislate morality or ran on "family values" won't be as affected. Hell, Dem voters won't even care that much. But the GOP? Well they are more moral than thou and should be exposed as hypocrites.

I'd say that in a vacuum, most here at DU would agree with you. I personally don't care who puts what where and under what conditions, but if you run a campaign on being moral and legislating morality, then you are fair game.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:19 PM
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305. They can also be blackmailed by BushCo into doing as BushCo desires.
It's one of the reasons I believe Bush-submissive Dem senators and congress-folk could also use an outing.

But pick-off the Repubelickins first.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:17 PM
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304. This isn't gotcha. This is calling out hypocrites to reclaim our country.
Maybe you like the fact that the religious extremists are in charge?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
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42. Grassley would shock me
But that's about it, off the top of my head. Some others would disappoint, still others would make me laugh hysterically. But I think only Grassley would actually shock me.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:42 AM
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146. Orin Hatch would shock me. I doubt Grassley can even get his wife interested
That's one ugly mug there.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:06 AM
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151. That's a laugh hysterically for me
First he's just such a priss to begin with. Then you think Utah conservative. Then you imagine his face all puckered the way he does when he's perterbed. Then you think about the Mormon jokes in the works. Then you picture him having to walk through the Senate, with all those smirks and grins, everybody knowing what a stick-up-the-ass he's always been.

Oh I laugh and laugh just thinking about Orin Hatch. It would be delicious.

Grassley, otoh, just

:wow:

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:23 AM
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154. How about
Hatch with a male escort, like Jeff Gannon?
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
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43. Stay off the small planes, Larry. nt
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:11 AM
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251. He has his own plane. In fact he probably has several. n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
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44. Larry Flynt doesn't strike me as someone easily "shocked" by anything....
But I have to say that I look forward to a slew of righteous hypocrites being exposed....particularly the "family values" people or those that oppose gay marriage and then are engaged in homosexual relationships themselves....

Should be interesting - Pass the Popcorn!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:14 AM
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87. The HBO "Cathouse" series should have a Congressional edition, huh ?
Air Force Amy meets who ?
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
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45. Maybe he's shocked because it's a woman.
Let's face it WHAT could possibly shock Larry Flynt?!?

Maybe it's LIEerman, shocking that even a whore would allow themselves to go THERE! ewwww! :beer:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:08 AM
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77. Don't forget Helen Chenoweth of Idaho who admitted an affair.
She was a right wing Super Gun Nut type.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:33 AM
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102. Kay Bailey Hutchison? Sometimes a gal just likes to let her beehive down.
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:35 AM by peekaloo
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:28 PM
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312. ...and let a strange stinger or two into the hive.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:04 AM
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412. maybe he'll out someone who's gay.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:51 PM
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46. I can't stand waiting! This is the scandal that's going to rip things wide open.
Not because it's a scandal, but because it reveals who the Clinton impeachers really are. Or I hope so.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:52 PM
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48. 30 solid names or just 30 possible names?
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:51 AM
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148. Thirty SOLID .
He said, "We got good leads. We got over 300 initially, and they're down to about 30 now, which is solid."

Yeah! Go Larry!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 PM
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60. but...but...but ABC said there weren't ANY
That still pisses me off. Faux...CNN...ABC...all different arms of the same propaganda.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. far too true... and a real obstacle to overcome should we
make the turnaround towards a Democratic Republic again.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:17 AM
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89. Lisa Myers of NBC has had this apparently since last year
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250/

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA."

That was back in May of 2006. What have they been investigating since then ? Or should I say, covering up ?

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:49 AM
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234. Cunningham may not be connected to Palfrey
Palfrey said there were more escort services in D.C. than McDonald's. Here's an excerpt from an article that I think you will find very interesting:

The problem with thesmokinggun.com's attempt to link Rep. Cunningham to (Palfrey's) arrest is that court records show that the federal case against the alleged madam began in 2004, a year or more before Rep. Cunningham's quick fall.

Allegations against Cunningham didn't surface until June 2005, when two news services reported that a defense contractor with ties to the congressman had taken a loss of $700,000 to buy one of the congressman's houses.

Madam Palfrey, by this time, had already been under investigation for a year.

It seems more likely that Palfrey's downfall may have intersected with another "high profile case" involving "some bigwig." Not in DC, but in Baltimore. But who?

Draft federal court documents graciously leaked to the smokinggun website reveal that Baltimore IRS special agent Tony Burris began his investigation of Madam Palfrey in June 2004.

rest of the article: http://www.yardbird.com/luna_sex_scandal_threatens_bush_GOP.htm
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:25 AM
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95. ABC said there weren't any which means they got scooped by Porn.

They got their asses handed to them by a One-handed magazine.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:51 AM
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133. ABC says there weren't any which means there weren't any Dems ...
for CorpoPravda to go after. Nothing to see here, folks, move along.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:06 AM
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413. LOL
I seriously wonder. It could be that Flynt offered the reward and ABC didn't, so he has more actual proof.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM
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66. Liddy Dole?
:rofl:
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:46 AM
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406. That would make my year!
:rofl: That would be just in time for the 2008 elections...just what we need here in NC!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:01 AM
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68. I think he should do 1 ever 2 weeks from now until the 08 elections!
I didn't count how many weeks it is until then, but I figure 60 weeks should be close enough! Can you just imagine the effect on the Pubs!!!!!!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:08 AM
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75. Please don't let us have any names on that list ~that is what I fear
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:15 AM by goclark
:scared:
Well ~ to see little Joey's name would be thrilling!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:11 AM
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81. I hear you, but if this comment is true....
and will out only those pillars of community and church who have been hostile to reproductive rights, howling for abstinence among youth, screeching about an end to marital infidelity, and were out to get Clinton out of office for unreciprocated oral sex from an overheated groupie.

then the likelihood of any being Dem is quite remote!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:58 AM
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240. Sounds like Kyl or Ralph Reed to moi
:D
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:09 AM
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137. Even if there are some of ours--
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 02:26 AM by eridani
--there will be a hell of a lot more of THEIRS.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:05 AM
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70. Could this be an extraordinary moment in our government's history?
I don't know, but if 30 individuals in our government are outed and are forced to resign, with perhaps even more to come (as the DC Madame's lawyer said not all the phone records have yet been turned over to Flynt), we could perhaps be facing extraordinary times. If just one resigns, will it set off a chain reaction where all must resign? The attitude of the people is already pretty fed up with Washington right now.

And while the spotlight is focused on just one of the many escort services in DC and their clients, what about that supposed prostitution ring involving government officials and Jack Abramoff? What happened to that and will the media finally come around to investigating it, especially if the DC Madame story gets bigger and bigger?
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:27 AM
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156. What does 30 leads mean?
Could some of those leads point to the same person? Or does it mean 30 wonderful and glorious suspects?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:38 AM
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158. Well, I think Flynt said he started with 300 possible suspects and narrowed it down to 30 strong
leads. I assume that means 30 individuals. And supposedly there are more to come because Flynt hasn't received all of the phone records yet.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:40 AM
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256. This 30 people are from ads that Flynt published
not from Palfrey. Those numbers haven't yet been scratched.

zalinda
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:21 PM
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309. If it stops the religious takeover of the government, that would be historical!
The best way to stop this fascist movement in its tracks is to out the hypocrites running it. And fascists are ALWAYS hypocrites.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:08 AM
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76. God, PLEASE let the Senator be Lieberman.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:09 AM
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78. i would bet Arlen Specter.. and this is why
he is the one who stuck in the patriot act in secret almost about the US attorney stuff..so this admin could fuck the judiciary..and the Madam brought up the fact that this could and might be being used for blackmail!!

who has done more flip flopping?? Arlen hates the NSA tapping of our phones but the doesn't do jack shit about it..
but more telling is Arlen sticking the law in the scret of the night about the attroeny general stuff into the patriot act 2....why did he do it??


my vote is on Arlen..second vote..Orin!!

fly
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:47 AM
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115. I understood arlen was on leave getting chemo hen a staffer, a bush
loyalist, stuck it in without Specter beoing told a thing. don't know if anyone else recalls this story?
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:10 AM
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79. I bet they're all double baggers.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:12 AM
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82. All the excitement over this... I sure hope I heard it right!

:rofl:

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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:13 AM
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83. Hugh and series
could it be........the gang of 30?

okay- I'm tired, it's about all I could do.

but I AM enjoying the karma.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:14 AM
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86. This is definitely a mastercard moment....
Iraq Filibuster in the house, Senator Bobbit in nappies, & Larry Flynt about to take the lid off of it all.....

Hope he's not all hot air.

:)
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:27 AM
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97. What about Cheney???? n/t
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ryanus Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:31 AM
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100. What about a woman senator?
That would probably surprise a lot of people/
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #100
103. Kay Bailey.
PLEAAASE gods of the no-no list, give us Kay Bailey!

:beg:
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:44 AM
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113. Yes, Kay Bailey-Hutchison! How sweet would that be!
Little miss pompous ass! Holier-than-thou bitch!:bounce:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #113
380. Cornyn two? One state wiping out two Repukes?????
We can hope....


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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #380
403. A double-header! Pun intended!
:rofl: :toast: :party: :evilgrin:
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:30 AM
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99. I'm betting Tucker Carlson is on there.
That mother fucker has been WAY too adamant against the press going after Vitter and absolutely WILL NOT accept that Vitter is a hypocrite no matter how hard you beat him in the face with Vitter's own words. There has to be some reason he gets in such a lather besides Tucker just being a dumb ass.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:44 AM
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114. You may have something there... n/t
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:52 AM
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118. Oh absolutely...
I thought he was going to blow a gasket on camera the other day he was so adamant about defending the hypocrisy -- and Richard Wolff looked totally dumbfounded at his comments.

Tuckerfucker fer sure.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:16 AM
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125. I picked up the same vibe.
Funny, I don't remember him coming so unglued when Clinton was being persecuted for getting a happy ending. Why's he all bothered about it now? I'm betting Tucker was caught in the web....

What I wonder is how many of these people have been compromised/blackmailed by this? If Karl's been busy wire tapping records, compromising a Republican is mighty handy when you need an automatic vote.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:01 AM
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135. Some woman from Slate called him on his drooling over Clinton's blow job...
... the other day and he refused to discuss it. He said something like "I'll be glad to discuss that with you off camera". He knew he was a being a hypocrite but he couldn't admit it, at least not on camera.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:50 AM
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407. I think you've got it!
Tucker has been going CRAZY over defending Vitter and attacking the media over this. He definitely seems extra excited about this story.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:34 AM
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105. Go Mr. Flynt Go! You are right up there with Conyers in my book!
A True American Patriot, one who took bullets defending our Constitution and still keeps up the fight. My vote is to dribble them out. Judge the bruha over each and as it dies down "expose" another! "To them, sex is immoral, so if you've had sex, your punishment will be to live with the consequences."-L. Flynt, SEX, LIES & POLITICS. Punish the punisher's Mr. Flynt, save the best for last though, perhaps a couple of weeks before the election.

Lest we forget: Mr. Flynt may well have saved the Clinton Presidency with his tactic of Flynting the hypocrits who were hounding him.* He is VERY important to our nation and deserves a place of respect in our national history.

*(Bob Livingstone, Henry Hyde, Bob Barr, Dan Burton, and Kenneth Starr)
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:38 AM
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107. I'm gonna buy a "Hustler" magazine, just for that!
Sure, it's lewd, but nothing tops the filthy Republicans I've been listeningn to.

I'll take one for Larry... In fact, LET'S ALL BUY A HUSTLER! :think:

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #107
120. That indeed is a great idea!
I also STRONGLY suggest his book: "SEX, LIES & POLITICS The Naked Truth". It was published just before the '04 elections, likely to have an impact on WE THE PEOPLE. Sadly it did not have enough of an impact. This book tells it like it is and comes recommended by the likes of: Erica Jong, Oliver Stone, Greg Palast, and Molly Ivins. 2004 seems like a whole different era these days but the information contained within the pages of his book are highly relevant today and places his noble efforts on exposing those 30 leaders in perspective.
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BrainGlutton Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:47 PM
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386. Me too! Purely and strictly as an expression of political solidarity, of course! ;)
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #105
283. Misguided praise
Right now he is doing a good thing.

However, he has built his career on the violent exploitation of women and promotion of a rape culture, and cemented it with some very ugly and graphic threats against women who speak out against him. Comparing him to Conyers is insulting to Conyers, who has managed to defend the constitution WITHOUT exploiting an entire class of people in thuggish ways.

Flynt is very adept at using the courts and the constitution to uphold his own privileges and political desires. That is NOT the same as using the courts and constitution to uphold social justice for everyone. When his goals and ours intersect, that's fine, let's commend him for that specific action. But he deserves no place of respect from me, not in the history of my people.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #283
317. You've never been more irrelevant to a thread, reality, or the problems we actually face,
as you are at this very moment in time.

That a pornographer does more these days to put the breaks on encroaching fascism than many members of our government do, is enough for me to also put him up there with Conyers.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:05 PM
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320. the problems "men" face, you mean.
It's a nice convenience for women that they are included in the groups the democratic policies help.

But let's be honest, the men putting Flynt on a pedestal care a lot more about social justice when it used in a way that reinforces, rather than threatens, their place in the world. Y'all weren't speaking out against Flynt when he was hurting women. Y'all speak out against republicans because they hurt women and men.

And yes, I am fully aware that such an observation is considered irrelevant. That goes without saying.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:10 PM
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323. Republicans hurt the Constitution
...and that's putting it mildly.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:19 PM
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329. The constitution is a piece of paper.
The measure of a person is whether they've hurt or helped people.

Flynt made his living exploiting women in ways that conditioned people to accept and eroticize violence against women, and by publicly threatening women in abusive ways when they spoke out - he's done it in ways far far uglier than anything Imus ever said. If he'd made his living exploiting men, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Phelps made his reputation by exploiting people. And he's been a stubborn proponent of free speech. He loves that constitution. The people he exploits include men.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:00 PM
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353.  What say you about these two: Erica Jong and Molly Ivins
Both have offered up praises for Larry Flynt and his book SEX, LIES & POLITICS. I suspect both these ladies have come to grips with their/your feelings about Mr. Flynt in their own way. Not asking you to join in with their philosophies about Mr. Flynt, but perhaps you may consider checking out that same book in order to glimpse a side of Mr. Flynt that has influenced them, (and I), to praise him.

Truth be told, John Conyers has not taken the same path that Larry Flynt has yet they work feverishly for similar goals and their accomplishments to date require a little more than a footnote in American History. Larry Flynt is a modern day American Patriot. He deserves that title every bit if not MORE than John Conyers. I am sorry if you are insulted by the comparison.

I am not fond of the "exploitation" folks accuse him of. I defend his freedom of speech but this does not mean I have to buy his magazines. Being unfamiliar with the body of his pornographic work means I am ill equipped to defend him from your accusation that he promotes violent exploitation of women and advocates for a rape culture. If you could cite references to where he has publicly advocated either, I would be interested in further education about him and may revise my opinions. No I have not asked for links to what others have said ABOUT him, but what he says about himself.

The fact that I am male, to my knowledge, has little to do with my high praises of Mr. Flynt. I understand that I may be a product of my culture but I know the differences between right and wrong.

If I might quote Mr. Flynt: "In this country, we've got maybe two million people who read, but nearly three hundred million people with opinions." Might I suggest joining Erica Jong and Molly Ivins by READING his book. If you then choose to keep him in your heart as a bad man, at least you will have come to know your enemy better.


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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:26 PM
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392. I'm not going to be reading anything by him.
"I know the differences between right and wrong."

If you came across a publication marketed to white people, that was based on the idea of having page after page of black people depicted in demeaning poses, as victims of violence, and sprinkled through it were cartoons joking about things like lynching black people - drawn by a guy convicted of lynching black people, would that be right or wrong?

If you came across a publication marketed to men, that was based on the idea of having page after page of women depicted in demeaning poses, as victims of violence, and sprinkled through it were cartoons joking about things like molesting female children - drawn by a guy convicted of molesting female children, would that be right or wrong?

"I know the differences between right and wrong."

Which category do these fall into?

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"Larry Flynt is a modern day American Patriot."
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:41 AM
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409. OK
I looked at a few of your links, not my cup of tea. I know you want me to share your utter outrage but I do not. First off those links are out of context, even if they were in context I would likely NOT be MORE or LESS offended by them. (BTW, I SINCERELY Thank You that they are not actually in FULL context, I really have no desire to see what was thankfully covered up in some of those images.) Why do I say this? Why would I say that I would "likely" not be more or less offended? Yes, what I saw portrays the worst which SOME humans are known for. Did I see anything there which says Mr. Flynt advocates: being violent to, or raping, ANYONE? No. That is why! That is why I'll not be MORE offended. Nobody is out and out advocating in them for others to actually commit such acts! (Remember that is what I asked for because that is what you accuse him of.)

To answer your questions: For me the example about black people would be something I would not approve of. As long as they fell within our First Amendment, I would take no issue with this. If for example Jon Conyers were the publisher of the magazines which did those things you have suggested, I would NOT think him less of an American Hero or less of an American Patriot. I simply would not be picking up those magazines. Would that magazine be right or wrong? Neither. The fact that I do not approve of it does NOT make it wrong. Even if I approved of it, that would not make it right. If they out and out advocated racism...well that has not been clearly demonstrated but if it had, if they actually came out and asked folks to commit acts of racism...well THAT would be wrong and I WOULD have a serious issue.

Your second question about women, same thing, until they cross that line, until the actually tell folks to go out and commit rape and violence... the fact that you interpret that this is what Mr. Flynt advocates is your choice. Mr Flynt fought to preserve that right, for you. He fought for the right for others to interpret this as humor too, or whatever the hell they wanted to interpret it as! Did he actually come out and TELL FOLKS to commit such acts? NOPE.

Your examples in BOTH cases can easily be interpreted as you suggest: advocating racism or sexual exploitation. They can also be interpreted otherwise. You do NOT have to agree here...but the Supreme Court would disagree with you. THAT is what Mr. Flynt fought for.

Tell ya what, Molly Ivins bless her heart is no longer with us but Erica Jong is. Perhaps you might visit her web-page and ask her why she would say nice things about Mr. Flynt on the back of his book. (Instead of picking a fight with me.) I do not know what you think of her, hopefully you can get a woman to woman perspective here. I obviously can not give you that perspective nor am I the kind of person who is keen for a fight with anyone. I respect your opinion, I can understand it too, but I am not in disagreement with my own opinion: Larry Flynt is a true American Patriot, he is every bit the American Hero that Jon Conyers is, his Smut Peddling has nothing to do with that.

You do not have to read anything to come to your own conclusions. That is why I quoted Mr. Flynt at the end of my last post. PLEASE, I AM NOT accusing you of being a freeper here but let me offer up this example: Ask ANY freeper what Osama Bin Laden's beef with America is and you will get an answer. Most if not all of them will tell you that OBL hates America, its people it's freedoms it's politics, it's tolerances of equal rights and etc. Ask any of them if they have read Osama Bin Ladens own words on why he fights America, likely they will cite small out of context quotes but little else. Why is this? Because they do not NEED to read ANYTHING by him to "understand" and hate him. (Heard something similar somewhere else?)

That is where they are wrong. Knowing the enemy IS very important. Osama Bin Laden has clearly written what his issues are with America...that you and I may disagree with them is not what is so important. Knowing that his reasons are NOT the same reasons bush and co, spoon-fed us with in the run-up to the Iraqi Fiasco IS OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE. Had AMERICA chosen to do so, most would have called bullshit to cheney and bush about invading Iraq! We likely would have been more about getting OBL instead! See how knowing the "enemy" can be a good thing? (Not That Larry Flynt is MY enemy, sounds like you see him as yours though.)

Can you see the comparison I make here? You posted those edited smut links, you got them from someone who is obviously anti-Larry Flynt. Most likely you are in total agreement with these folks and if I went there I would be flamed hard by those folks for my views. But have you actually read what Mr. Flynt has to say, his actual words where he urges causing harm to normal law abiding folks? I suspect those on that link will say that these notions are "insinuated" or "suggested" often enough in Hustler and that is the same thing. I disagree with that just as I disagree with the freepers who pretend to know what OBL's thoughts are.

I'll say this again and likely again, Larry Flynt is an American Hero. He is an American Patriot every bit as important to American History as John Conyers is if not more so. I take no offense that you disagree. I do NOT think your opinions are irrelevant, I understand them and actually applaud your or anyone else's actions that try to create equality among all humans. We are indeed equal, each and every one of us. That is the perfect goal for humanity to continue reaching for. There is room in that perfect world for Mr. Flynt's smut regardless of what you or I can say....
There is NO room in that world for harming other people. There is especially no room for ignorant intollerances...those may be the very roots for hypocricy....which brings us full circle back to Mr. Flynt and his battles.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #409
415. clearing up what I said, and a comment
I didn't say Flynt "advocates" being violent to, or raping, women.

I said he "conditions" people to accept violence against women, and to eroticize it. Research overwhelmingly supports the notion that repeated exposure to violent porn has that affect.

As for the rest of what you said, I have to admit, I'm at a loss. I don't really understand the notion that if Conyers, for instance, was referring to muslims as "ragheads," or referring to people as "macaca" you wouldn't think any less of him. I don't understand how, if Hillary referred to Obama as the N word, whether you love or hate her, you wouldn't think any differently of her.

I don't think of those things as "advocating" racism. They ARE racism. And so when Flynt publishes something saying the "cure for frigidity" is to physically assault a woman with a jackhammer, I don't think of it as "advocating" misogyny, it IS misogyny. I have a hard time understanding how anyone can look at racism or misogyny, and trivialize it as "not my cup of tea."

An American Hero to me is someone who advocates for the underdog, not the privileged people. When you are a white male, advocating for the rights of white males, while using hate speech against those with LESS privilege than you - women, and women of color in particular, doesn't make you a hero. It makes you self-serving. That other people may benefit from the spillover from your fight doesn't change that fact.

That's probably why I'm not a good liberal - because I don't have the proper respect for "Great American Heroes" who fought like hell for their own rights, while screwing over the underdogs.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:37 AM
Response to Reply #415
417. hmmm
If they did what you said, I would not purchase the material where they did this. I would still recognize their accomplishments...NOT allow what they did to cloud those accomplishments. Would I think less of them, sure, as should anybody. Would I think less of their accomplishments NO. Do I think less of a diaper clad astronaut who drove across the country in some sort of jealous rage, sure! Do I think anything less of her accomplishments? Well if I knew what those accomplishments were, no.

I HONESTLY gathered from what you had said, that Larry Flynt actually advocated those actions. I know you did not say those exact words. I thought you might have had links for this. From what I have read by Larry Flynt I would suspect he does not advocate those actions. I already understand the notions that folks react differently to porn. If you have studies which show that violence and rapes by and large are being perpetrated due to violent porn THAT I would be interested in. So far I am not convinced that we are being conditioned into a culture of people who think violence directed at women is acceptable. I like to think most folks are better than that.

btw I AM convinced that repeated exposure to someone who is trying to turn me into something I am not will end further discussion in a big hurry.








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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #417
419. Part of the Culture
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 09:35 AM by lwfern
is that it is acceptable to treat women as second class citizens, to threaten them with violence sexual imagery, to shut them up by reminding them of their status as potential person to be raped, to "put them in their place."
“… all this time you’re pissing away ignoring people and highlighting supposed gender inequality as part of a worthless social experiment should be spent getting gangbanged on film for (our) enjoyment.”

http://stangoff.com/?p=523

When something like that is posted publicly in a forum dominated (heh) by men, not one other man will come forward and say, well, that's inappropriate, knock it off. It passes as normal and acceptable, because, as a woman, that's the role I am assigned to. Repeatedly.

Violent pornographic metaphors, as part of our culture, are used to harass and silence women who get out of line:

.. Sierra had been receiving increasingly abusive comments on her website, Creating Passionate Users, over the previous year, but had not expected them to turn so violent - her attackers not only verbally assaulting her ("fuck off you boring slut . . . I hope someone slits your throat") but also posting photomontages of her on other sites: one with a noose next to her head and another depicting her screaming with a thong covering her face. Since she wrote about the abuse on her website, the harassment has increased. "People are posting all my private data online everywhere - social-security number, and home address - a retaliation for speaking out."

... Jill Filipovic, a 23-year-old law student who also writes on the popular blog, Feministe, recently had some photographs of her uploaded and subjected to abusive comments on an online forum for students in New York. "The people who were posting comments about me were speculating as to how many abortions I've had, and they talked about 'hate-fucking' me," says Filipovic.

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2051580,00.html

The emails began, the countless pages of hate accrued beneath the mail slot. The death threats mounted, the graphic descriptions of what they would do to me when they found me continued to escalate. I tried to call for help but everyone kept telling me that the locks on the door were secure and that there was nothing to be done for me.

http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com/

Ava, who posts here, has had the same treatment, in an effort to shut her up.

So, the acceptance of violent porn legitimizes these types of threats - as if they are casual conversation directed at women. It's like burning a cross in someone's yard. It's a hate crime done to reinforce the power structure, and keep people (women, blacks, etc.) in their place. Women don't need to see "studies" on this - we live it, and that's part of our culture. We have friends who have met us, bleeding, having been bent over a chair and raped while the rapist is looking at porn on a computer over her head. We have friends who are anorexic because they gag when they eat, because they associate having things put in their mouths with being abused when they were 4 years old. And then we look at these images in Hustler, conditioning us that anal rape is erotic, or the "chester the molester" cartoons, drawn by a child molester, and it makes it very difficult to have a conversation with a man who says "connections? I'm not sure there's a connection here." And it's very difficult to understand why it is that there is a market for images of women being assaulted if the people consuming those images aren't turned on by the idea of assaults against women. And it's difficult to understand how articles in a porn magazine called "Good sex with retarded girls," aren't designed to get men fantasizing about molesting people. I haven't found anything in that that is based on the idea of basic respect toward women.

Also, it legitimizes what's considered normal within the context of consensual relationships - and what's considered consensual.

For other men, the appeal of anal penetration is less the novelty—and the fact that it gives them a good story to tell over beers—and more the psychology. "For most of my friends, it's sort of a domination thing," says John (not his real name), 30, a writer in New York. " basically getting someone in a position where they're most vulnerable. My friends enjoy that and they tell their friends they did it. But it's not like girls are ready for it—it's something they do when they're really drunk."
You see a problem with that statement?

Albert (his middle name), a good-looking 29-year-old who's fairly well-known in the music industry, says he asks the women he dates to have anal sex with him because it raises the level of intimacy in the relationship. He doesn't demand anal sex—especially not if it's a one-time hookup—but he won't commit to a woman who refuses to grant him a backstage pass. "I had a girlfriend who I was with for a long time and she wasn't into it," Albert says. "There was definitely a thing in the back of my head like, 'I can't marry her.' How can I, knowing I can't go to all the places I can go with her? The physicality of it, being painful or whatever, shows how comfortable the girl is with you." Here, he pointedly stops short of romanticizing screwing a woman rectally. "Ideally, every girl is a disgusting pig who wants it," he says. "But only with you."

http://men.style.com/details/blogs/details/2007/07/is-it-ok-to-dem.html#more

So here we have this idea that women are supposed to be willing to undergo sexual pain (ours, not his) to be intimate. And it's tied in with contempt for us - the "disgusting pigs." That's an attitude that doesn't arise out of thin air. The idea that sex is about dominating and hurting us, that we are loathsome, comes directly from violent misogynistic porn.

There are studies you can look at - they aren't hard to find - and studies of studies, showing trends, where studies conflict. http://www.protectkids.com/effects/justharmlessfun.pdf

I think it's a special privilege men have to be able to stand back and say "I don't see any connection between males in our society being repeatedly exposed to images of sexual violence against women in a way that arouses them, and actual sexual violence against women. I don't see a connection between hate speech used in a magazine and hate speech used in real life. I don't see why women mind hate speech being used against them - is that really a problem in our society?"

It's like saying you don't see a connection between racism, and ... well, racism.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #419
420. Thank You
That is getting to what I was asking for. There is much here including what you put into the post itself. I have only perused this and that from each link. A quick comment:
In the first, my heart goes out to Audrey, she writes well, I felt I was a bug on her shoulder, I shared her indignation when she was forced to listen to crap while in the military...I suppose if I was forced to ride in a humvee full of repukes...well I would of spoken up. Yes I understand from further reading of Audry's tale, had she actually spoken up, she would have caught hell. I shared her indignation for having to stay quiet. This is a new perspective for me, a bit eye opening and gives me pause to consider my own actions when dealing with my fellow humans, both male and female.
I like to think of myself as a fair person in this society...I would not promote the kind of behavior which brought about this culture of hell that Audry has revealed to me.

In the second link: I play pool, I am fairly competent at pool. I know that I am rare because I treat males and females equal on the pool table. I have NEVER felt that I have an advantage because I am male. What I do NOT understand is why it seems to look like men are better at pool than women! I have asked this of my peers and I have never been given an answer to my satisfaction. Some guys will say that women just don't have the killer instinct. BULLSHIT! I am ranked by the Billiard Congress of America as a "7". I have never seen where a female "7" was any less deadly than I. I struggle against "BCA-7"s regardless of gender. So why are the top ranked pool players throughout the world today and historically mostly male? I am stuck attributing that one to culture.

Why is this relevent to the second link which discusses online sexism? Well in pool, practice and eye-hand co-ordination, and an average sized body are all one needs to play the game. Practice among peers and betters is what it takes to better oneself. Operating a computer takes far less than operating a cue stick. WE ARE ALL EQUAL online. Until that link you provided, I was unaware of the problem. This will sound sexist of me but I can not understand why women can't fight back against the asshats who hound them online. You yourself are no shrinking violet. To be quite frank here, if anything, I am somewhat intimidated by your debate skills! If someone threatened you, I would hope you could find ways to deal with it in order to either difuse or block the threat.

On the other hand I can see from this link that there indeed IS a problem. I surely would not want to see my own grandmother attacked verbally this way by some assholes who disagreed with her. I would want to physically strangle any asshole who threatened her like those ladies were threatened in that link! I would hope others would come to her aid as I surely would if I saw this. I suspect my own feelings here are a mix of culture and humanity. Yes my Grandmother has all her fingers an can type better than I can but I do not want to see her in that position ever. Physically, women can handle themselves here, culturally, we should ALL condemn the assholes who do such things to each other online. I would come to your aid even if I did not know you. I would do so if I saw you attacked like this online regardless if you were male or female. (No, you are hardly irrelevent, nor are your posts in this thread)

The third link: Funny cartoon, again, not my cup of tea but I get it. There are a great many things to read in the Den of The Biting Beaver, I perused a few. I think I may be posting questions there in the near future. I read the rules and I take no issues with them. I confess to curiosity as my drive here. Sure you could likely answer my questions but we are starting to hijack a dead thread and the Biting Beaver looks like the kind of place that would tolorate this males HONEST curiosities without flaming me too hard. In this case, this is not about knowing the enemy so much as getting an education. I suspect those ladies will be willing to provide it.

The fourth link: I am 52, and my sex life is my biz period. Things sure have changed since I was young. I tried to get through that link, got a bit annoyed by the guys bragging about anal sex. (sorry one would think that one would be a bit shy about even discussing it, hell I am shy about a lot of things being discussed right here right now). I really do not know what to say about anal sex, I was unaware that some men view this as a form of domination. Well if that's what floats their boat and as long as that's what floats their partners boat fine...I am not about to be big brother is watching in the bedroom! I never gave it much thought but, do gay men think this way about each other??? No don't tell me, I REALLY do not want to know. Of the gay male couples I have known, I honestly hope they do not think of their partners as "disgusting pigs". As to any human viewing a sex partner as a disgusting pig...why even bother having sex? Getting sexually exited by dominating an unwilling partner is rape pure and simple as far as I can tell. Sorry, I suspect I am not seeing a bigger picture here and I truly apologise if I appear flippant. I'll shut up on the topic of anal sex because I know very little about it.

I am having computer issues at the moment. I'm hitting the post button without even attempting spell check. (I fear I may lose everything I have written so far if I even try) Worse my step-kid just now took up 2 hours of my time which I set aside for studying this. (We never see each other hardly anymore but we can burn up a cell phone battery!) I may not get back to finishing this post till tomorrow...for what it is worth, I am not sure that I'm changing my position on Mr. Flynt's patriotism just yet. That next link, about pornography and culture, looks especially promissing and may be of potential import to how I feel about Mr. Flynts pornography though. I'll be in better shape to study that tomorrow. Thanks very much for the links...I am going through them because I want to, not because I have to. You have provided me with the very material I asked for.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #420
421. Thanks for the compliments on the writing
Not sure that it was clear from my previous post, but that first link was written by me (lwfern here, Audrey there). I appreciate that you got what I was trying to say there - that means a lot to me.

We learn not to fight back online, because we see what happens when we do. On a forum like the design one that's not moderated, any fighting back always, without fail, results in an escalation of hate speech. For a while I thought it was just me, but then I started reading about this happening to women like BitingBeaver, and before her there was another feminist blogger, I've forgotten who, but another well-read one who quit her blog with a statement that the personal threats to her had gotten to be too much. Even on DU, women here have had problems with stalkers tracking down their personal information, and harassing them off the main forum.

I went to part of the Allied Media Conference in Detroit a few weeks ago, and one of the topics there that came up repeatedly - but only by the women - is protecting our anonymity online, because so many of the women there had received personal death threats - and when those threats come at women, they are sexualized. I know some men who have gotten them as well, those tend more toward wanting to show up with a gun on their doorstep. The ones toward women include rape before killing, usually with fairly graphic descriptions, and I personally believe the inspiration for those descriptions comes from prior exposure to those story lines. It's like your pool scenario - maybe there's a biological reason that men are better at spacial things, but it's likely also that they just grow up being coached more by parents and peers to do well at those tasks. Either way, there's not a "pool-playing gene." Same with those rape descriptions. Maybe there's a biological gene/hormone that makes men more aggressive in general, I get that, but there's not a gene that puts the idea into a man's head of breaking a woman's legs, configuring her into a contorted sex toy, and letting the bones heal that way. That comes from exposure to themes.

There's a woman here in my area that runs a local discussion group; she was talking last week about how she had to stop writing for a while because she'd been getting personal threats. The stories above about being bent over a chair, and being anorexic, those are stories from where I work - not from a women's group or anything, not people I particularly sought out, just a random sample of women who work in close proximity to me. Another woman I work with has a husband who drives her to work each day, picks up up each afternoon, she doesn't go anywhere without him as an escort. He was overseas before in the military, and while he was gone, she was assaulted by a guy who specializes in dislocating women's limbs - serial rapist. She ended up with one dislocated arm, and a neck brace, but she survived. I think a man hears that Howard Stern commentary about the leg breaking and thinks, well, that's so extreme, nobody would do that, that's obvious. As I woman, I hear it and think, yeah, my friend went through something like that.

"I was unaware that some men view this as a form of domination."

I think you said before you don't read Hustler. I suspect if you did, you wouldn't be unaware. That's part of my complaint. (Not against you; against Flynt, for framing sex in these ways.) In the comments to my post on Stan's site, De wanders into the same questions you raised about anal sex and domination, and the gay community. "Exhibit B: over at Feministe is an interesting discussion of (among other things) the difference in tone and content between the treatment of anal penetration in gay-male sexual literature and in straight-male sexual literature. Despite straight men’s quivering horror of “buggery,” the gay lit is mostly about safety, cleanliness, comfort, courtesy, etc when undertaking a potentially erotic act — not about domination, humiliation, and contempt. In other words, the gay lit is about a sexual practise between more-or-less equals, the het lit is about a political act of terrorism or shaming of a lower-caste person who needs to be shown, and kept in, her place."
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #421
425. Wow...
First off, I did not know that you were Audrey. You convey your thoughts well there. It takes me many many attempts just to post stuff here in DU because I am rarely satisfied with how I convey my thoughts...I suck horribly at one on one live debates but given time I can hold my own. That said, I am never above learning and you have provided great material to learn from. (Even though the porn cartoons bothered me I see where they fit in with what you are trying to say). I was being honest when I say that I do not read Hustler because that is not my cup of tea. I think somewhere I may have a few Playboy mags, not even sure where they may be but I got them because someone important was featured somewhere in them. I guess I am less of a porn addict then some. I am neither proud or ashamed to say that, I am what I am.

Is there a pool gene? I agree that this is doubtfull. I don't think it is a spacial thing either but there may indeed be a gender thing that is not cultural. I know my pool god is a lady named Allison Fisher. She holds her own with pretty much anybody in the world both male and female. She has been considered perhaps the greatest female pool player EVER and yet she has not been able to seriously contend for best player in the male dominated contests. I would love to see her accomplish a world title just once...I think she has the tools and the talents although most guys think that is impossible.

These threats...these guys sound like freepers but instead of politics they appear to be stupid about being human. I was unaware that the DU had such issues, sure I have seen flame wars here but folks using sexist slurs...well I may not have noticed because I was not looking for them...My radar is now activated..thanks for that. I am a guy, we tend to want to fix stuff...when we see a damsel in distress we tend to want to go rescue her and fix the problem. The fact is all the damsels are in distress and I have utterly no clue how to fix the problem.

What you say about gay sex fits better into my image of my gay friends...I never thought of them as being sick domination types...this subject is a bit awkward so I'll leave it with what floats their boat is fine with me. The assholes who use this type of sex in order to feel like they are dominate over anyone is disturbing to say the least though. To any who would advocate this, i would say to them: Would you allow someone to treat your mother, grandmother or sister this way? If the answer is no then you are indeed a sick hypocrit. If the answer is yes...

One final thought on this aspect of sexual domination through anal sex: Don't animals do this to show dominance? I understand that we are animals but I kinda like to keep my fantasy alive that humans are in some way above being animals...this is not supporting my fantasy very well.

I am still having issues with my computer...it starts at about midnight, (it is 1AM so I am fighting it right now...) I may need to have a friend look at my computer here soon so if I shut up for awhile this is why. I think I have picked up some sort of bug...every 10 minutes or so my screan freezes up, then goes black for a moment, then comes back on sort of fragmented like. This repeats three times then goes back to normal. This takes about 5 minutes for the whole event to run through it's course! The annoyance does not end there...it also occurs when I scroll back to read what I wrote and/or when I page back and forth through links. I may have picked it up over on the Randi Rhodes blog because it is so bad over there I can no longer read or post ANYTHING when I am there longer than a few minutes. At least here I seem to have periods of normalacy...though they are short after midnight. I am having them now so I apologise for not hitting spell check this time...I fear I may lose what I typed so you get stuck seeing that spell like a freeper.

I suspect this thread is long dead so I do not feel too bad for asking this: Why do women often try to look like sex objects? As a man, I am not complaining, but this has to have something to do with the violence too doesn't it? Or am missing something. I swear I am NOT trying to be sexist, just observent and now answerless. Anyone who would say that: "She dressed like a hooker so she deserved it" sounds like a damned freeper to me but, there is something to the fact that folks are out there trying to look good. How do feminists address this?

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #425
427. The best I have for an answer
"Why do women often try to look like sex objects?"






Beauty and the Beast: the heroine with a hyper-sexualized figure falls in love with her abuser.
Sleeping Beauty: the heroine with a hyper-sexualized figure accomplishes pretty much nothing except getting a guy to fall in love with her, and being unconscious a lot.
Cinderella: the heroine with a hyper-sexualized figure gets to dress in fancy clothes, and then the prince, who would not have noticed her otherwise, falls in love with her.
Snow White: there's a domestic battle over which woman is prettiest, and then the heroine with a hyper-sexualized figure joyfully works as a maid/housewife for 7 men, until the prince falls in love with her, based on her looks, cause they've never spoken.

There is a pretty large industry built around selling that role model to girls when they are too young to even fully distinguish between reality and fantasy. The CEO of Disney has his own Larry Flynt thing going on, but more from the perspective you're asking about now, why do women put such value on looking like sex objects to attract men.

I see that as a problem, because it is part of what culturally defines us as the sex class. However, there's not a direct link between how we dress and violence against us. "A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing. Victims range in age from days old to those in their nineties, hardly provocative dressers." http://www.usu.edu/saavi/pdf/myths_facts.pdf

My sister was wearing a sweatshirt and overalls.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #427
428. Still here but not much longer...
Computer definitely crapping out...wasted time with idiots trying to convince me that Nuclear Energy is better for our environment than Wind, Tidal, Solar or Geothermal!! Yep right here in DU.

Yes, I get that our culture presently does this to women, forcing them to dress in order to be more attractive and that attractiveness is geared for males...likely been going on as far back as the history of advertisement. I am thinking that this is also a product from something in our being male and female. Perhaps in both, the underlying purpose, is for projecting our genetics into the future via the best vehicles: healthy members of the opposite sex. Again, I have no background whatsoever here, just my own thoughts. (I had been giving it some thought since last night when I asked that question) I saw the stats in your link supporting that clothes have little bearing on rape and violence cases, this further supports the premise by refuting any notions that "Women are putting themselves in position to be raped because they dress like sex objects"

Another-words, it is perfectly natural for men and women to be looking at each other, it is also natural to dress to encourage this. The dressing part is cultural but underlying this is genetics. This does not encourage folks to look at each other for purposes of violence, something I suspect is unnatural and a product of a sick mind,(and I'll add for you: a product of a sick culture...any culture which oppresses a portion of it's members seems sick to me...)

I am sorry to hear about your sister btw...or ANYONE else who was a victim of violence. It always bothers me in a bad way to hear about any violence on the news...what is going on over in Iraq is particularly bad...soooo many innocent victims. There may be violent repercussions! I have a friend in prison for life because of a violent rape/murder of a child. HE DID NOT DO IT. He plead guilty to save his neck from a noose...in the meanwhile the asshole who did the crime may still be at large! It is VERY likely that, the very person who did that rape/murder has been caught, you would have seen him in the news as Tim Duncan...(Not sure of name and afraid to go look because computer issues). He is charged with: killing a couple, kidnapping their two children, repeatedly raped both then killed the boy and was found at a gas station with the little girl. It is my belief that Tim Duncan committed the very murder that my friend went to prison for life for!

This computer issue is getting the best of me...I may go dark for a few days but before I do I want you to know that you have taught me things, I thank you for that. I'll understand if you are angry that I am not changing my original premise that Mr Flynt is a patriot equal to Jon Conyers...I understand much better why you disagree and I'll not fault you for that, instead I will thank you for working with me here. I can now understand that Mr. Flynt has indeed promoted violence and I'll fault HIM for THAT. This was not my position a few days ago. I came close to hitting that ignore function back then and now I am glad I did not. (I have only used it once, the guy was trying to convince folks that depleted uranium oxide is harmless!!!! With all the horrors and nightmares that stuff has created...well I chose not to hear any further "wisdom" from him)

If you run into sexism here in the DU, the kind which promotes violence, I would like to see it too. Please feel free to PM me with it, and further links on this topic. BTW: I tried to sign on and ask a question in the Biting Beaver but could not figure out how to go about it. My question: "How can the likes of Erica Jong, Molly Ivins and Randi Rhodes be in support of Larry Flynt today when he has promoted a culture of violence toward women" I actually asked that over in the Randi Rhodes forum but I have yet to see a reply...I figured someone over at the Biting Beaver would have an answer.
c

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #427
429. Do you know this lady? Dr. Helen Caldicott
http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/index.cfm?Page=Article&ID=2676
I have a deep respect for her...I ran across this bit from her while struggling in a different thread about Nuclear Energy, (I am against, as is she). Her words here made me think of our conversation.

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #419
423. That fourth link
That was very educational. OK so I'll accept that pornography leads to violence because the preponderance of evidence suggests this. There was much there I was unaware of and I am glad to have been exposed to. So now what? Eliminate ALL pornography? What about video games and advertisements and well...there is quite a social upheaval that would take place between society as it is today and the idealized society where violence in all shapes has been eliminated.

This next bit will likely not endear me to ANYONE but, I have long felt that there is an ultimate purpose to the human condition, each and every little bit of it. I occasionally partake in a study group which examines all sorts of questions about the human condition. I shall be asking a questions to my...um... "mentor" about sexual violence, if you like I will translate the response. (Our next get-together is early next month and be advised you may think we are all...well... nuts, for want of a better word.)

Have I changed my view that Larry Flynt is a great American Patriot, as important as Jon Conyers? No. Do I now feel that Larry Flynt has promoted violence: YES! I was being open minded when I asked for links that Larry Flynt promoted violence...I sort of expected you to produce links to him actually saying so...if not, I felt your arguments would have fallen flat. Well you never did produce THOSE links but you have admirably reinforced your position and then some. I now have a new appreciation, a different way of seeing things because of our conversation in this thread. (The Biting Beaver claims changing one man at a time...)

I confess to mixed feelings: I know the "sexual revolution" has been aided by the porn industry but I now see the costs have been horrific. Could those positive changes have occurred without porn? I do not know...I am VERY VERY new at all this and have never given any of this a thought until meeting you. Worse, those mixed emotions get further mixed in by my strong feeling that "Free Speech" is terribly important to our nation. Mr. Flynt has been at the forefront of the fight for this freedom regardless of his motives. I am indeed mortified by the costs...please do not think I trivialize anything you have shown me.

I will be sharing much of what I have learned with my step kid when we do lunch here in a few days. She is hooked up with an abusive boyfriend who I care little for and yet she defends his behavior. I hope I can hook her into the Biting Beaver...

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:38 AM
Response to Reply #392
414. 2nd post to you Iwfern
I accused you of picking a fight with me, that was unfair, I hope you will accept my apologies.
Look, it is apparant to me that you have some strong feelings here. I surfed a bit through a variety of Hustling The Left Links and found more folks there with those same strong feelings. (Along with a pretty good wide open flame war between Larry Flynt and co vs the Feminists) You have got me wanting to know more. I have no interest in seeing more edited porn photos and crass cartoons, (No DON'T SEND UNEDITED VERSIONS EITHER!!!) But I would be interested in seeing what all the bruha is. I saw where one lady has written a few books on this. I belive she has a radio show. I WOULD especially be interested in seeing the data regarding how porn has had a significant adverse affect on women. (I sense that as a core issue.) Please, I have no intrest in the flame war between Mr. Flynt and the "feminists". I genuinely wish to get right to the core issue and learn more. From what little I saw, I do not expect you will be linking me to any right wingers. Thanks ahead of time for any data you may to send me....
c
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #105
374. and also Helen Chenoweth, no?
And they all said their dalliances were "youthful indiscretions". In their 30s and 40s.

RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #374
410. I did not know this name....
Wiki did though. Her and I would likely have been MILES apart. It even mentions her "youthful indiscretions". Wiki even mentions her serving salmon as a protest to the notion that these salmon were endangered. Her response when asked about this was: (Not exact but close) "Endangered my ass, The only thing endangered are white male landowners" Idaho...no, not the "ho" but...a repug through and through!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:36 AM
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106. Why would he be shocked at one Senator--assuming it's probably a man?
Who would be shocking? It would probably be someone kind of well-known, with a good reputation. McCain? Biden? Durbin?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:40 AM
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110. I wonder if Vitter went to his rendezvous alone or with a group of fellow GOPers
Maybe they were having diaper parties with Cheney and the Republicans who applauded Vitter at yesterday's luncheon were members of the club.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:42 AM
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111. For ANYONE Who Thinks It's Wrong For Us To Out These Suckers
Yeah Right...We should NEVER strike back and show their TOTAL FUCKING HYPOCRISY even when they ruin actual lives EVERY FUCKING DAY with their Right Wing GARBAGE and their Right Wing Laws...people even die because of them and then they turn around and do what they condemn. These people don't even allow me to have a full life, marry the woman I've been with for 15 years, be on her insurance so I can have health coverage, let us inherit, make decisions for each other if one of us becomes unable...THEY KILL US...and then they want us to keep their nasty little secrets. Not going to happen. NOT EVER.
Lee
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:47 AM
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116. He should do it right now! while they're in the senate. dumpem, replace them, then vote
on the war.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:49 AM
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117. I Hear a LOUD Reverberating "GYUUUUULLLLLPPPPP" Coming from the general direction of D.C.
:rofl:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:05 AM
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124. LMFAO!!!!
I can hear all those cellphones being thrown away!! ;)

(To bad they won't donate them to the troops in need of them!) :grr:

Need a new ring tone, Senator? Congressman? Congresswoman?

Hmmmm...?

:P
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:53 AM
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119. Lindsay Graham?
I would be shocked, too.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:26 AM
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128. That he's sexually active at all? n/t
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:22 PM
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277. Lindsay Graham and what man?
... not that there's anything WRONG with that, eh Lindsay?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:00 AM
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123. It seems like he had to be talking about Vitter.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:17 AM
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126. Oh boy. I have a feeling he's got the goods on Sweet Lindsey Graham. n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:27 AM
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129. This is going to be a POPCORN SMORGASBORD!!!!
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

K&R!!!!
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:06 AM
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136. I hope it's McCain-he's such an asshole (I'm watching him now on the
all night Senate session) SHUT THE F UP YOU freak!!!!!!!! (sorry for the momentary rant) Anyway, I think it's common knowledge that Lindsey Graham's gay so I don't think Larry would be shocked. I'm trying to think of who's the most "family values" guy...Rick Santorium - Bill Frist... but they're out....hmmm...I bet Tucker's on the list and I'd love, love, love it if Hannity was too. In any case, I vote for the drip, drip, drip...maybe one hypocrite exposure every three days.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:49 AM
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155. My guess is also McLame.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:50 AM
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132. This really does feel kindof yucky to me.
I'm not a Flynt fan to start with.

I don't see as how he's contributed a great deal to public discourse over the years.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:17 AM
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138. At least he fights for our 1st Amendment.
The other yucky folks want to shut people up or burn them at the stake (and they also do really gross things, but 'in the closet').


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:24 AM
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139. Yeah, as a First Amendment consideration I hear ya. Still, it feels
as if we're peep-tomming in people's windows. Just creeps me out a bit, that's all.

The Bush image you have there is frightening. It gets at the way he must seem to the anonymous, gentle Muslim in Singapore or someplace like that, who is just trying to have a halfway decent life, but for the American president, who seems to like to bomb foreigners even as he abandons his own citizens along the Gulf Coast.

But you know the whole story better than most.

Great image. Lots and lots of power to this one, I thought.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:32 AM
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141. Your words call to mind what I was thinking the other day
when I made this pic:



Just some poor gentle folks - babies and children - in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere the bombs fell for the sake of petroleum.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:41 AM
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145. Yes. The next president -- and I think it's going to be a Democratic one --
is going to have to spend way more time than usual patching up our relations with other countries, including the ones no one's heard of much.

There needs to be a whole new script, this time with a mind and a heart.

We can't afford another disconnected lazy-ass like Bush.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:56 AM
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149. Or an insane snake oil salesman

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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:59 PM
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290. Only a democrat can convince them that
the emperor is out of commission. They don't hate us they hate him and his cabal.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:47 AM
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147. He may have saved the Clinton Presidency
He did this very same thing that he is doing now during the Clinton Impeachment. In doing this he forced the resignation of Bob Livingston, a Representative who was slated to replace Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House and an outspoken crucifier of President Clinton regarding sexual ethics. He also managed to out: Congressman Henry Hyde, Congressman Bob Barr, House Government Reform and Oversight Committee Chairman Dan Burton, and Independent Investigator Kenneth Starr. This gang was calling for Clinton's head on a platter and Mr. Flynt managed to quiet them down. It can be argued that Mr. Flynt saved Bill Clinton's Presidency by doing this.

Regarding his book, "SEX, LIES & POLITICS", Molly Ivins wrote: "Tough, funny, profane, sensible, and full of terrific information. I am one feminist who thinks this is a man who has literally put his life into the First Amendment and gets it in a more profound way than many constitutional scholars"

He is one of our Constitutions strongest defenders, in a real sense he is fighting for America every bit as hard as Conyers or Waxman. You do not need to like him, repukes despise him, but understand this: This man who got shot for defending the First Amendment is still out there fighting even harder for us! He may be a smut peddler but he is also a bona-fide living American Patriot.
I would never ask you to get a copy of Hustler, I have NEVER purchased one myself but if you should ever find a copy of his book "Sex Lies and Politics" you won't feel yucky reading it...you may, like I did, find a new hero!
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:20 PM
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306. You gotta wonder
You think they're sorry now that they had him shot??? Or do you think they wish they'd aimed better???
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:03 AM
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214. Seriously?
It was his landmark case against fallwell that made parody of public figures protected speech.

We should all recognize the signifigance of that fight. And it was a tough fight.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:48 AM
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233. Hi, redqueen. It's always very nice to bump into you
on DU. I wish you'd post more often than you do, but that's a selfish wish. I've liked your posts for a long time on a variety of subjects.

I agree with many in this thread on the hypocrisy aspect of the Republicans' claims to a "higher moral ground." I've never granted them that distinction and regret that the more moderate wing of their party is all but extinguished. John Danforth, for example, wouldn't win my vote, but he's hardly the slobbering moron Sam Brownback is. I wish the Danforth wing had prevailed over the Brownback wing. But the GOP base is at least a third nutbag these days, and it makes the outting of moral hypocrites much more significant.

I'm on board that far.

It's just that I feel there's a bit of peeping into others' windows. What if one or more of the people on Flynnt's list is a champion Democrat? That would be much more difficult to bear.

I want my party to thrive and to push the nation's conscience toward a more adaptive, progressive point of reference. I'm not convinced that sexual traffic with prostitutes is a strictly Republican attribute. And with the moral hypocrisy issue removed, all I'm left with is to ask why I'm peeping in someone's window.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:57 AM
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239. You flatter me...
thanks for the kind words, and I'll take this opportunity to say I have enjoyed your posts on many subjects for a while, too. :)

Of course enjoying the services of prostitutes isn't strictly a republican pasttime... however if a Dem is on the list... I don't see any worry at all about that. If we have some hypocricital, moralizing dems, then let them be outed as well.

No need to ask why... this is where the arena of politics has been steered these past 15 years or so... the only choices are to ignore it or to fight back. Can't say I'm not happy to see some fighting back, despite how tacky / tasteless it seems. :hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:04 AM
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247. Well, I hear ya.
I guess I was thinking more of the non-hypocritical, non-moralizing Dems!

My parents were both teachers. After I was 11 or 12 or so, they used to tell me they were proud to be part of "the world's second-oldest profession."

If Larry Flynt can be a catalyst in diminishing the hold the Far Right moralists have on American politics, I'll give him credit where it's due.

Ok.

I'm in.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:00 PM
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261. ...
:7
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:31 AM
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140. Larry Flynt coming on now!!!
The repeat.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:34 AM
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142. My money is on Larry really does not have much but there is going to be a lot of confessing going on
You know there are a lot of people who are scared shitless that they are going to be outed for using prostitutes, I wonder if Larry is bluffing by saying he has the names of 30 prominent people just to watch the cockroaches scurry out and confess their sins and beg for forgiveness. Hell I would not be surprised to see 80 people confessing to the use of prostitutes.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:39 AM
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143. Sen. Jeff Sessions!! He's THE MAN!!
:sarcasm:

:rofl:

C'mon Flynt!! Spill it!!!

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me9399 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:57 AM
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150. here are my 2 guesses
what about Senator Brownback..isn't he one of those holier than thou family values types or maybe Trent Lott?
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:33 AM
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157. Oh yeah! Brownback would fill the bill...
He plays the super fundie religious role to the max. Hmmm...
Will be interesting to see!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:21 AM
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190. I'd love for it to be him.
:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:22 PM
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330. Jeff Sessions: Likes to dress up like Huckleberry Hound, get walked on a leash,
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 02:57 PM by Kurovski
and have his nose rubbed in it when he "makes a mess".

Making these "wish lists" is like Christmas when I was six.

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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:23 PM
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371. What about Alabama's other senator, Richard
Shelby. He's a pretty quiet guy.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:19 AM
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153. hmmm......Was Flynt shocked at who the Senator was
or was he shocked at what the Senator was engaged in???

Either way, this should be good....
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:54 AM
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408. Interesting angle....
I hadn't thought that the action may be the shocking part, which may make more sense. Hmmmmmm.... very interesting indeed.

Oh PLEASE, let it be drip...drip...drip.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:15 AM
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163. This is going to get messy!
I love it. Let it rip Larry!!!
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:23 AM
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165. No one deserves it more than Saxby Chambliss
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:24 AM
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166. Greatest show on Earth...Next Exit!
I love it!
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:33 AM
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168. Remember Sen. Ryan from Illinois? (R- sleazebag) From that we got Obama,
the law of unintended consequences. I know, it gives me the creeps to think we've been reduced to this. But it helps, no question.
When Ryan was crashing and burning, nobody'd even heard of Obama. And look now.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:11 AM
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219. You mean 'Candidate' Ryan?
Ryan (R) and Obama (D) were running for the same senate seat that year left vacant by Senator Peter Fitzgerald.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:16 AM
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170. Larry has a speach impediment from the damage he suffered.
So no, inaudible and garbled are common when listening to him speak.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:19 AM
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171. Damn, I don't Wanna Wait! Wahhhhhh!
Maybe if I pout, he'll tell sooner?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:20 AM
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172. Go Larry!!
Drip...drip...drip.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:34 AM
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173. I Say Senator Byrd. I Mean, How Shocking Would That One Be?
:rofl:

Just kidding.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:00 AM
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243. I was hoping it wasn't him -- it could kill him!
lol
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:38 AM
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175. this will be interesting
I really don't like this kind of politics...but it is hard to forget what happened in the 90's and how self-righteous the Republicans were about it.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:02 AM
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213. It's not just what happened in the 90s, it's what's happening now.
Days before the 2004 election, rumors spread all over West Virginia that if elected, John Kerry would ban bibles. The Sunday before election day, parish priests and nuns all over the country were instructed to tell their congregations that Kerry would murder babies if elected. Bills in many states to ban gay marriage ensured a large turn-out of conservative extremists on election day.

bushco is using religious extremism to gain and hold power.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:28 PM
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359. yes that is true
there tactics have not changed a bit. And those people will stoop to anything for power; absolutely anything.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:54 AM
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176. Please let Dobson be one of the 30.
And Pat Robertson if it's not too much to ask.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:06 AM
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215. Oh yes, Dobson.
That'd be a hoot.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:03 AM
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178. This is going to be...
This is going to be... delicious in a very creepy sort of way.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:05 AM
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179. Larry, shock us, we need to be shocked...!!
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:49 AM
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180. How about Lindsey?
Please...:bounce:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:27 AM
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197. Lindsey Graham?
Did Ms. Palfrey's business offer male hustlers? That is the only type of hooker Lindsey will get caught with.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:51 AM
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181. How do get in touch with Larry Flint?
I want to ask him to give us some bombshells today...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:38 AM
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204. exactly ask Larry to drop a name today.
that would be interesting.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:53 AM
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182. tee hee.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:07 AM
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183. If the "shocker" is Lieberman, we need to have a spontaneous Mardi Gras
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 08:07 AM by Totally Committed
in celebration.

TC


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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:14 AM
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187. John Warner.
I had a limo driver who told me he used to drive the hookers over to service Warner. That said, Warner is rumored to be a very nice client.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:11 AM
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191. Wowie Zowie...
:wow:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:27 AM
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198. Best guess yet...
I would say he is a prime suspect. I remember back in the day when Virginia Beach was a real hotbed for high priced call girls, especially among the upper crust Navy and politician set. Remember when Chuck Robb got caught getting a "massage"?
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:58 PM
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289. Silly Warner used a government credit card for payment, too.
When he was using the hookers, he was single, so I can grant him that privacy. And I don't think he was ever a holier-than-thou Repub, was he? (I mean, the guy did marry Liz Taylor.) But the hookers driven over there by the limo driver thought it was a hoot that he used an expense account credit card for their services.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:12 AM
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193. I prefer a drip, drip, drip.....
One every month until election time, saving the "biggest and best" in a large group just in time for early voting to start.

Wouldn't that be exciting?:evilgrin:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:21 AM
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194. BRING IT ON!!!
release all 30 in one day and bring Washington to its knees.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:24 AM
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196. Nah. Can't give the Repubs time to regroup!
I think a trickle would be more effective.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:28 AM
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200. Yeah, I'm vacillating between the two..
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 09:28 AM by Virginia Dare
in reality, I don't give a crap how you do it, just give us the NAMES of the fucking HYPOCRITES!!! Please, we're BEGGING you Larry.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:39 AM
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205. I vote for "one at a time"
The drio...drip...drip would be so much fun, watching the Thugs trying to excuse each on anew. And if there are some Dems in there, then so be it. But I suppose that Larry has an agenda, and I frankly don't care if he's skewed.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:39 AM
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206. Reason Why I hope these threads stop... Le petite mort
The more names put out there bring to mind the faces of these individuals in the throes of le petite mort

So imagine if you will...


Now, imagine during le petite mort


Now, imagine during le petite mort


Now, imagine during le petite mort


Now, imagine during le petite mort


It is too much. Please for our collective sanity
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:08 AM
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216. Is that comedy?
Cause seriously, I don't think most others have that problem.

I know I don't.

Jeez.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:39 AM
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231. It is to some. For others who might not like it...ignoring it is fine
"Jeez."
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:50 AM
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235. What?
Should I apologize for sayin "jeez"? Like I said, that thought didn't cross my mind... but your multiple pictures and repetitions of 'la petit mort'... well... I could say worse than "jeez", trust me.

:puke:
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #235
292. Where did I ask for an apology, exactly. When was it brought up?
"Jeez" :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:33 PM
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314. I meant the quotes thing...
You confuse me!

:P
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #314
368. I'm like that.
Sometimes I'm like this, but...mostly, I'm like that.:D :D
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:53 AM
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209. I recommend drip-driip-drip or the media will ignore this.
The media is entirely capable of ignoring the whole thing, especially if the names are released all at once.

Drip-drip-drip means that every day there will be a story about this, and eventually even the mainstream media will have to cover it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:10 AM
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217. Drip... drip... drip, please.
Nice and slow... let those who weren't outed squirm, wondering... maybe trick a few into rushed apologies / press releases... explaining how they've been forgiven by those whose lives they're NOT screwing up.

Nice... and... slow.

:)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:10 AM
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218. There will doubtless be some Dems among these names. I hope that
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 10:11 AM by Nothing Without Hope
the one that "shocks" him isn't one of the Dems. (Of course, that does not include Lieberman.) After all, Flynt's well aware of the bottom-feeding greed and amorality of most of the Repub congressmen; surely he wouldn't be shocked to find THEM on this list. Guess we'll just have to wait and see and hope that the list includes only those whom we loathe.

I am often reminded by events that RFK Jr has said that 95% of the Repubs and 75% of the Dems in Congress are corrupt. This was in 2005:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2999611
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:51 AM
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236. How many Dems are hypocritical moralizers?
If they are, they need to be spanked for it too.

NOT in the fun way!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:25 AM
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222. is there video of this?
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:28 AM
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225. It;'s posted in the video forum........
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:29 AM
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227. Thanks!!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:27 AM
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224. I'm guessing the shocker is female
Just a guess though
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:28 AM
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226. Should be interesting. Flynt said he was only interested in exposing hypocrits.
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:39 AM
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230. Drip, Drip, Drip, Begin with the lil twits and end with a Big Shot Cresendo...! .
:yoiks:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:30 PM
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313. Perhaps Larry should consult a good conductor, i like them gotcha flicks with that appropriate tempo
And a besides, like if you got all them extra bucks and want to entertain an audience you might as well go whole hog :shrug:

Really i think your correct, thirty names sounds like a lot and a gradual release of them would seem like an effective strategy btw. People would forget otherwise so getting their attention with a pop by pop would help in getting it noticed
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:53 AM
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237. Here's hoping Fred Thompson is on the list! n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:04 AM
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246. Did the DC Madam use young men?
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:00 AM
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242. The only name that would SHOCK me would be Ted Stevens
:rofl: I'm sorry I can't even think of sex and Ted Stevens without laughing. :rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:06 AM
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248. I can't even think of sex and Ted Stevens without puking.
:puke: :D


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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:20 PM
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274. "She works hard for her money -
She works HARD for it, Honey"
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brg5001 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:02 AM
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244. IT IS our business because they use their "superiority" to condemn others
If Haggerty had been just another bitchy queen with a drug habit, my main concern would be for him to get drug treatment. But when he stands up and calls ME immoral and sick because of my sexual orientation and trains his twisted followers to assume that I am some sort of psycho, prowling the men's rooms and preying on kids, it most definitely is everyone's business when it turns out that he's a lying sack of shit.

Same goes for all of the preacher-politicians who use the same gambit. THIS IS OUR BUSINESS and we need to make it clear that the only reason it matters is because he told everyone else what a cookie-cutter-angel he was and used his piety to slam the door on all of us who he deemed immoral...which is essentially, anyone who displays tolerance or questions Jesus' commitment to pre-emptive war.

F--- Vitter and the horse he rode in on. I don't give a rat's ass who he pokes until he uses his religion to deny human rights to others. Then he's FAIR GAME.
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PhilipDC Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:02 AM
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245. Not just from "Madam"
Some of the replies are under the impression that Flynt is talking only about the phone numbers. I believe he is talking about an ad that he ran asking for tips on lawmakers doing stuff they shouldn't with people thaey shouldn't....
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:15 AM
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252. George W. Bush - O please let it be George W. Bush!
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:23 PM
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279. George W. Bush and what 300 pound elderly woman with white hair?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:24 PM
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311. Arrrgh!
As in the ancient drama, I must now pluck out mine own eyes!!
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:30 AM
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253. Inhoff (R) - Oklahoma
Mr. let's make English the official language of our country and make it illegal for ER doctors to talk to the wounded in Spanish.
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JacquesMolay Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:36 AM
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255. He better stay out of small planes ....
... if any of the names are Republican.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:41 AM
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257. Sinator Vitter DID NOT lie. It was a Parse-lie.
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 11:42 AM by L. Coyote
Careful analysis reveals that Vitter only said "falsehoods ... "are not true." Read the transcript below.

PARSE-LIE definition: A parse-lie is a political plant that blooms all year long. It is not a real lie, just a long vine of florid B.S. that makes one believe something not said. It is a clever twiner that end-runs the actual lie by parsing truth to sound like the lie it averts.

Vitter's statement epitomizes parse-lies. Newspaper headlines state he denied having New Orleans hookers, yet he only said that falsehoods are untrue. Vitter's parse-lie is one of the most successful parse-lies in recent political history.

Parse-lie blossoms have a slight scent of bull crap. Recently, the Republican Parse-Lie Garden has been stinking horridly due to the massive amount of blossoms. .... Some of the best bloom episodes in recent times were Alberto Gonzales testifying on FISA and the USA firings. Their fetid stench is really noteworthy when many bloom at once.


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Transcript - Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) Holds a Press Conference in Metairie, La.
(Speakers: Sen. Vitter and Wendy Vitter)
Courtesy CQ Transcripts Wire - July 16, 2007; 6:30 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/16/AR2007071601348.html?hpid=moreheadlines

SEN. VITTER: Good afternoon.

Last week, Wendy and I thought it was very important to have some time alone with our children...

Wendy and I dealt with this personally several years ago. I confronted it in confession and marriage counseling. I believe I received forgiveness from God. I know I did from Wendy, and we put it behind us. ....

Unfortunately, my admission has encouraged some long-time political enemies and those hoping to profit from the situation to spread falsehoods too, like those New Orleans stories in recent reporting. Those stories are not true. ... Now, having said all of this, I'm not going to answer endless questions about it all over again and again and again and again. .....

========================================
Meanwhile, there are plenty of lies about:
"It it Still a Crime to Lie to Congress." Gonzales Delivers Indictment, Charges BUSH with LYING.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x975882
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:02 PM
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262. While I'd love to see lots of GOP names on there
I'm from CT and will laugh my ass off if Lieberman is among them.

(Don't blame me, I voted for Ned Lamont.)
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selfdestructive Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:04 PM
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266. hey larry... i wont be shocked. i promise

release the names you marketing prostitute
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:21 PM
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275. Yep! Enough with the "suspense."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:29 PM
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339. I think a slow-release will help to keep the scandals in the media
for a longer time.

Damage control will be impossible.

Go slow, is my vote.
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selfdestructive Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:32 PM
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340. have we learned nothing from politics

it will change nothing
even hypocritical republicans will skate on this

which is abhorent
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:51 PM
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344. It worked the first time Flynt did this.
It will work again.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:29 PM
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360. In fact, it brought about huge changes.
It's amazing how some of these people will overcome any level of inertia to protect their political careers.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:18 PM
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377. I love Larry; he is my idol.
Bt your response, you sound well, "Up Tight" I think you have WALLS!.

Are you frigid or impotent? Let me know if ya need a nurse.O8) :thumbsup:

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selfdestructive Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:04 PM
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267. hey larry... i wont be shocked. i promise

release the names you marketing prostitute
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:15 PM
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270. I have a beer with Larry Flynt any day but never would with bush
or any other scumbag GOPer whore monger.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:17 PM
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273. I'm wondering if the Senator Flint is "shocked" about might be
Voinovich (R-OH). The reason I think it is possible is I remember him being VERY frightened, upset during the Committee's consideration of Bolton as US Ambassador to the UN yet he didn't vote against him in the end.

Then, he was just reported as saying the bush cabal F'd up the Iraq "war" yet he voted no on cloture this morning.

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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:21 PM
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276. I hope its Brownback!
That would be so hugh!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:22 PM
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278. next naughty senator Dem or Repub?
I hope it's one of THEM.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:25 PM
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281. Why, that is the one bi-partisan act they could agree upon...
... as long as whoever had McConnel washed real good afterwards.
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:32 PM
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285. LOVE This Karmic Justice:-)))
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:47 PM
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288. Cheney's not a Senator
darn!
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Smooth Operator Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:07 PM
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296. How about the Mississippi hair helmet
Trent Lott and since Larry doesn't mention whether they're current members of Congress and whether they're members of the House and Senate. We could be looking at both chambers.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:07 PM
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297. Maybe he thinks he is...He presides over the Senate...
...and lately he doesn't really know where he fits into the US government, so maybe he gradually thought of himself a senator...:shrug:
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:10 PM
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298. I was thinking Inhoff too...Mr. "Focus on the Family": Dobson, though not
a Senator, would be wonderful to see on a list somewhere - that guy and Pat Robertson...I wish Larry could have a special investigation just for them.....
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:21 PM
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308. Please God Please let Saxby Chambliss' and Johnny Isakson's names be on that list!
You would never be able to smack the smile off my face if even one of them were on that list!!!

Oh please...pretty pretty please with sugar on top please.........let them be on the list!!!!!!!
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:12 PM
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367. Ditto from N. GA, here. Wouldn't that be a riot!
I wonder how far back the names go? Any possibility Zell Miller's name is on the list?
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:25 PM
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378. right on, RubyDuby!
:toast:
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:22 PM
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310. Remember, if it's 29 Republicans and 1 Democrat
it will be dismissed as a "bipartisan" scandal.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:35 PM
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315. How will Dems react if the BIG surprise is Senator Byrd?
Just kidding Senator. :rofl:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:09 PM
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322. i wonder who the democrats will be.....
this crap has happened in the recent years but what makes it so juicy this time is the level of hypocrisy
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:16 PM
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328. Tom COBURN!! n/t
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:02 PM
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333. "are others coming?"
Wrong Tense
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ryanus Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:07 PM
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334. Has anyone used the "I called the number but didn't use their services" excuse?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:24 PM
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338. Having a list from a famous madam....priceless
anyone remember King of Hearts.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:37 PM
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341. I vote to have the names dripped slowly rather than dumped at once
I want every hypocrite to get his/her day in the spotlight over this. If all the names are dumped at once, I'm afraid the most shocking discoveries will overshadow the others.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:50 PM
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343. I'll second that....dumping them all at once would be like friday night
news dump....throw each one in the pot slowly and bring it back up to a boil before the next.
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Applan Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:50 PM
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362. How about release them in alphabetical order
Release them one by one in alphabetical order. Just think of the agony if you suspected you were on the list and your letter was coming up.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:30 PM
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348. Drip drip.drip.drip.drip.drip.drip. PLEASE!
Drag it out until late next year ! 1 a month until the election will work for me. Leak one name for the next 15 months Then, dump the last 15 names on November 1, 2008.:7 OR 2 a month for the next 15 months. Make it PAINFUL. Make it so the repukes will be wondering who's next? They'll all be waiting for the next shoe to drop. I LOVE THIS.

WHO'S THE SENATOR we'll be shocked about??? Any guesses?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:36 PM
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350. Yes, I agree!
They each deserve their time in the spolight!}( :popcorn:
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:45 PM
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351. MY VOTE IS FOR RELEASING ALL NAMES AT ONCE
It will lessen the likelihood of a LIHOP or MIHOP
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:12 PM
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356. NO! Then the media will make it a 1-2 day story and BURY IT! We need this shit in the news EVERY
DAY until the election! The Corporate owned MSM is NOT on OUR side. They would bury this story so fast, your head would spin. These names need to be dripped out, for effectiveness and so the MSM will have to cover EACH and every name for the next 15-16 months.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:57 PM
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352. a Senator??????
oh my goodness.

Pig or Dem - let's have a name . . . . .
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:02 PM
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355. I'm shocked there aren't 300 names. n/t
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:56 PM
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364. There are 300 names, but no solid evidence for all 300
If more details come out it is possible the number of solid cases will well exceed 30.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:00 PM
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365. So name half of those 300 and see how many scurry outta DC
I need counseling for this Just To See What Happens streak I have. ;)

:hi: MN Against Bush :pals:
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:22 PM
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357. I vote for drip, drip, drip
Let us have a new hypocrite in the news every two weeks or so up until election time. People would not be able to take in thirty names at once, by doing one at a time the details of each individual case can really sink in. Go Flynt!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:26 PM
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358. Don't drip, percolate. Release 3 names every Monday! And pass the butter 'n' salt.
:popcorn:

Hekate

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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:55 PM
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363. The drip, drip will be best. To much to digest if all 30 are released at once. Wouldn't it be wild
if Lieberman were one of the Democrats named.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:09 PM
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366. Does it get stranger than Jeff Gannon in the White House?
Hmmm... Perhaps even stranger is this 1989 NBC news report about Sex scandal involving the whitehouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5OJPeHCmhA HBO's Bill Maher jabs at Gannon, Bush & Rove - VERY FUNNY! Sat Feb-19-05 06:30 PM http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=330616

Bill Maher talks about Jeff Gannon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3e9paM_hYo Randi Rhodes talks about jeff gannon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwqk3EVPI9w Anderson Cooper's interview with Jeff Gannon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLpP898VDuQ
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Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:22 PM
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370. What if it's a Democrat?
What if it's a powerful Democrat? Then what would we be saying? That it's their personal life and none of our business. I'm sorry but I don't enjoy or understand the glee of seeing anyone's personal life exposed because it's their personal life. We should be consistent in how we view this and we're just not being consistent, we're being hypocritical. I was outraged when they trotted out the Big Dog's personal life for the world to see because that had absolutely nothing to do with his ability to be president. Yeah Vitter is a hypocrite of the worst order but what if the next big name is one of ours? What then? You do realize that they will now try to out someone from the Dem side in retaliation right? Maybe we shouldn't be so gleeful about this.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:11 PM
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376. if a Dem is paying hookers at the same time he is loudly decrying
someone else's sexual habits - then party be damned. Hypocrisy exposed is always good for the soul of a country.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:50 PM
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379. Flynt has aleady said he is targeting hypocites....
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 07:52 PM by ingac70
If there is a creep among Dems preaching "family values" and doing hookers they need to go!
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:31 PM
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373. The Devil Too Has Thirty Names.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:00 PM
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375. let the chips fall where they may, R or D
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:14 PM
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382. My Vote: Joe First and Hillary Second
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 08:15 PM by fightthegoodfightnow
Lieberman would be perfect. Could be Hillary, but she's too smart for that. Then again, I think that would be 'shocking', then again....maybe not.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:00 PM
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387. JOE would be so perfect...
I would sacrifice the other 29, if 1 could be Joe Lying-Man.

But I'm afraid we'll be disppointed.

There's not enough Viagra in the world to make it true.
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:14 PM
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390. Laughing Very Hard
Welcome to DU
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:23 PM
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383. Larry Needs to let it "drip, drip, drip" for maximum and prolonged effect.
Dropping all the names at once would allow them to have "safety in numbers"...

Let it drip, drip, drip right up to the next election.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:11 PM
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388. I would prefer...
5 disclosures per week for 6 weeks---A nice, steady stream, with all disclosures on mondays at
regular, 9 AM, est, press conferences.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:33 PM
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384. Maybe larry could "blackmail "an Iraq pullout!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:59 PM
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401. good idea!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:13 PM
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389. Shock value here: Oren Hatch or Mitt Romney, or Oren gets caught and Mitt gets tainted by him.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:21 PM
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391. Come on, shock us already! nt
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:37 PM
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399. The media is afraid to out Republicans. A pornographer had to do their job
I have no respect for the American media whatsoever. They have done nothing to dig deep into this huge scandal.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:22 PM
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394. I posted the Flynt story in a right-wing blog
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:25 PM
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396. I hope it's not Olympia Snowe
I don't dislike her as much as the average Republican.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:28 PM
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398. Sununu would be a waste
Since he's down in the polls by a gazillion point to two hypothetical Democrats.
He's got nothing to lose. I hope it's a swing stater.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:38 PM
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:04 AM
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411. I wish he'd publish them now, all at once.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:32 AM
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418. So many Republicans, so little time. I hope Larry drops a name today.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:51 AM
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422. Flynt is hilarious...an image truth that all run and hide from.
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