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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:29 AM
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Fascinating Dove "commercial" on how our perception of beauty is manipulated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFPGa0pKyTg&eurl=

I really hadn't thought about it but was surprised how manipulated it was/is.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:34 AM
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1. yup, stupid isn't it? n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:40 AM
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2. Models stay at my place occassionally. They come out here to do photo shoots on location
they generally look 'normal' before all the makeup. Maybe a bit leaner and taller.

But you'd be surprised how not very special a lot of them are.

I think it's the make up and also their capacity to catch the light on camera and put on the right attitudes while shooting that gets them jobs. :)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:45 AM
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3. "look 'normal' before all the makeup" - I always chuckle at the grocery store when I see tabloids
"exposing" celebrities without their make-up because I usually think they look younger and prettier without it.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:10 PM
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31. I take a class with an actress and she's a regular attractive gal without all the makeup...
she's super model material with it. It's amazing how different she looks. BTW, she's good people.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:45 AM
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4. It's the computer age; all ads are photo shopped.
Even dog food is made to look scrumptious. The "don't believe everything you see/hear" adage applies strongly to today's society.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:09 AM
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14. Retouching and color-correction have been part of ad production for decades
And Photoshop is a brand name owned by Adobe -- not a verb. The correct terminology is "retouched" or "color-corrected".
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:30 PM
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25. Yeah, but most people I know say "photoshopped." It's like kleenex or band-aid.
And since Photoshop came on the scene, it became that much easier for anyone to convincingly alter any photograph.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:39 PM
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30. That doesn't make it correct.
Yes, it's a lot easier to alter photographs using software like Photoshop.
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:19 PM
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32. 'shopped, Photoshopped....
Google (internet search), Crescent wrench (adjustable wrench), Kleenex (tissue).... etc.... there are probably dozens of these.. and all part of the lexicon
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:59 AM
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5. Get a load of this. Faith Hill isn't naturally good-looking enough for a mag cover...
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 10:00 AM by MookieWilson
http://jezebel.com/gossip/photoshop-of-horrors/heres-our-winner-redbook-shatters-our-faith-in-well-not-publishing-but-maybe-god-278919.php
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:11 AM
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9. I would love to see a before and after of Oprah's O cover
I know someone who met her and said.... Damn! She wears herself some MAKEUP!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:13 AM
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10. Holy moly, she's a normal person!
:wow:

Amazing. :-)
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:18 AM
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11. that Redbook cover is fasinating....they even moved her hand. Odd.
Why would they do that?
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:18 AM
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15. Makes for a "cleaner" image -- it's simpler.
I'm in the business.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:46 PM
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17. To make her arms thinner? nt
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:05 PM
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21. It was in reference to a portion of her right hand seen in the background of
the original photo. They removed it entirely.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:55 PM
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27. So they could make her waist thinner. The hand is right by the waist, and white space
would have been left between hand and waist (with no wrist) if they didn't get rid of it.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:48 PM
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19. I don't see why they needed to touch her up in the first place
The retouching makes her look alien.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:17 PM
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23. Wow.
She's still lovely though.
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:50 PM
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33. LOL! That before and after reminds me SO MUCH
of Maddie McCall's pink-toothed frog. Sorry. Don't know where that image came from. :ROFL:
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:03 AM
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6. She looked much better before all the manipulation
I love irony, it's so ironic.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:27 PM
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24. Ironic statement.
:rofl: Thanks for the laugh.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:04 AM
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7. Wow, interesting.
Wonder how long the transformation took?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:14 PM
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28. Where'd you get that photo of Pelosi and Bush? nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:09 AM
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8. Funny! Except it's not the perception of beauty that's at issue there...
... it's the perception of *reality*.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:21 AM
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12. true....true. It is reality we are distorting.
Here and everywhere.

I read about a study on pre marital sex finding 90+% of us had sex before marriage. The same percentage as in the 1950s.

Talk about a manipulation of reality. What's with so many of us that we go around preaching against pre-marital sex when we participated in it? Do we think we are incapable of delivering a responsible message? Like....be responsible?
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:02 AM
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13. Teenage girls absorb these messages as well
Maybe this is just the free market and we shouldn't bother our beautiful minds with it. At the same time, this is making an impression on the teenage girl in YOUR life -- in this society, beauty is all, and it's impossible to attain the kind of perfection that's shoved down our throats and decreed as "necessary".

One thing's for sure, the Dove campaign has altered my shopping habits. I buy their products. They're trying to get people to think about how harmful it is that half the population believes it's lacking because we all don't look like the airbrushed and Photoshopped perfection that's presented as the new "normal".

Julie
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:02 PM
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16. I met this one model
Well she said she was. She was very tall and thin. I am only 5 feet and she kept bragging how she weighed less than me, I was about 105. Anyway she was bragging to everyone that she was on the cover of cosmo. Sure enough the next month there she was. Not to mean, but I have to, she was not very good looking in person. She also kept telling everyone who would listen about how much plastic surgery she has had done. She also had her molars removed. She even opened her mouth to show us, and yes she only had the one premolar. She was from a very rich family. You could barley tell it was her on the cover. I have a feeling Daddy bought it for her just like everything else.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:48 PM
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18. As pre-teens they're told that without make-up they're ugly...
No wonder girls' self-esteem takes a hit in those years.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:49 PM
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20. rec 4
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:10 PM
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22. That's why I always laugh when I see people cooing over celebs...
and how "hot" they are.

The images we see of those who are considered sex symbols are so incredibly altered, that nothing of the actual person can even be seen in the media images we are fed.

Plus they are wearing a shit load of make-up, hair extensions, etc... The works.

The truth is, Scarlett Johansson has cellulite galore, Jessica Alba has thin, limp hair and tiny, beady little eyes, Leonardo DiCaprio has major acne, and Johnny Depp has bad teeth...

Not often do we get to see that stuff though.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:38 PM
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26. I have a friend who worked on the Britney Spears account at his agency. This was before
she completely went off the deep end and was still popular among the tweens. Anyway, his job was to photoshop out all of her acne, and there was a LOT, all over her body. Photos of her were not allowed to be released to the public until they had crossed his desk for de-acnefying.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:22 PM
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29. Yeah, that's the case with most celebs, I suspect...
They have flaws, bad skin, fat spots just like anyone else...when you look at how stressed out most of them are, as well as the amount of makeup they wear, the hours they keep, and the partying, drugs and alcohol that some of them do, they probably need a hell of a lot of help "cleaning up" the acne and trouble spots that the lifestyle is sure to inflict.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:09 AM
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34. America's Top Model shows how true this is also
when you watch the first show where the girls are selected and the 2nd or 3rd where they get their makeovers. just seeing then in the first shows you would wonder how they could be models. you would not even think some of them were average pretty.

but after the makeovers it's a huge change for many.

where they usually stand out is their height and weight. tall and thin.
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