Long waits for passports. By design?

It seems like something big is brewing. Chertoff with his "gut feeling"
and several Republicans (including Ron Paul and the Father of Reaganomics)
warning that Bush may incite false-flag terror acts.

Does anyone actually believe that the passport glut is an accident? CNN
and other media outlets have reported that it is taking at least a few
months--and sometimes up to 5 months, to get a passport.

I feel like giant, steel doors on this country are slowly closing--and soon
it will be impossible to get out.

Recently, this country changed travel to Canada and Mexico. You didn't used
to need a passport to travel to Canada and Mexico. Now you do.

How convenient.

Trapped inside an evolving monster.

You can go if you have applied for a passport even if it hasn't arrived yet, but you have to have a print-out from their site showing the status of your application. And I think that's only through September or October.

I thought the same thing as you until I checked last week - I was supposed to go to Canada next month, but I don't want to travel abroad without a passport or a birth certificate (you have to hand in your b.c. to get the passport, so you're without it while they are processing it).

You will stuck in this country when all hell breaks loose, which will become a hell on earth for many.

Martial law? The passport snafu as part of a "plot" to "trap" people in this country?

There are some real kooks here, I must say.

Disagree if you wish, but is there really a need to personally attack someone for asking a question on something about which they're seriously concerned?

What's "kooky" to you might seem very legitimate to others. And vice versa, I'm sure :)

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/118489654058910.xml&coll=7

DeFazio asks, but he's denied access
Classified info - The congressman wanted to see government plans for after a terror attack Friday, July 20, 2007JEFF KOSSEFF The Oregonian Staff
WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.

As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.

On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.


"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio says.

Homeland Security Committee staffers told his office that the White House initially approved his request, but it was later quashed. DeFazio doesn't know who did it or why.

"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."

Bush administration spokesman Trey Bohn declined to say why DeFazio was denied access: "We do not comment through the press on the process that this access entails. It is important to keep in mind that much of the information related to the continuity of government is highly sensitive."

Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee.

"I find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.

This is the first time DeFazio has been denied access to documents. DeFazio has asked Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., to help him access the documents.

"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1384606

And here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1378606


If that doesn't scare you then you are not paying attention.

I'm as kooky as they come. Deal with me.

You certainly haven't been paying attention lately, have you? :think:

as per my other post, if you spend any time at all observing the usa/mexico border, you quickly see how easy it is to pass without paperwork

our borders are very porous, there is no way they can pen us up if we don't wanna be

You can check out but you can never leave.

Perhaps new passports take longer?

they will take their time with your application until you are desperate and willing to pay the expedite fee.

:wtf:

To what Corporation? :shrug: God that's disgusting!!!

One could still go to any country that permits free travel from the US, you just might not get back into the US.

Step 1: require everyone to have a passport to prove citizenship when they re-enter the country.

Step 2: Implement Step 1 without preparation so all new passports are rushed, thereby making it easier to obtain a US passport with false papers.

of the new law requiring a passport if you travel to Canada, Mexico or any of the Caribbean Islands. They didn't hire the additional staff needed to process the additional applications.

the growing interest in international tourism, if only in the many cheap package tours to mexico, means that the new requirement has TONS of people applying who never applied before -- the gov't should have been able to forsee this and add extra employees to deal w. the rush but for some reason they didn't have a clue -- anyway the passport jam is simply another fema-style "heck of a job brownie" type patented bushco screwup, not anything planned

your concerns about fleeing the country are not valid in my view, if you are running away to save your life as opposed to just going on a cheap junket to cancun, then i can personally show you a number of spots where i have observed easy travel across the usa/mexico border w.out any papers being checked or much note taking of how legal it all is to bypass the customs office and the border patrol officers

honestly there are spots where you can WALK across, i have personally witnessed people walking, crossing by boat, and even by horseback w.out benefit of getting any government's permission -- the men crossing on horseback even had their dogs merrily splashing through the river along for the fun!

if you need to flee for your life to mexico, you won't need a piece of paper, besides if the usa gov't had you on a "no fly" or a "wanted by fbi" list then your passport wouldn't be worth much anyway, as it would be "flagged" when you tried to use it to travel

a bigger concern to me would be if you did flee the usa, how would you live, most countries do not allow americans to work, you are expected to bring an outside income or you can't stay for a protracted period of time, i think you could easily travel around central america as long as the money held out but after that? you had better have a skill of value in your new country that has a shortage of locals in that job -- maybe developing such a job skill would be a better use of one's time than worrying about passport and papers if you really think the usa gov't is coming after you

getting a passport was quick and easy till they implemented the RFID chip...