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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:37 AM
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Harry Reid Addresses Impeachment on Face The Nation: "Other Things to Do"
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24978

Harry Reid Addresses Impeachment on Meet the Press: "Other Things to Do"
Submitted by Chip on Sun, 2007-07-22 16:13. Impeachment

Contact Harry Reid and tell him that there's NOTHING more important than preserving our republic with its Constitutional government. It is his SWORN RESPONSIBILITY to uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

You could also suggest that he add "impeachment" to his drop down listing and watch the amazing response!

Reid's contact info here:

http://reid.senate.gov/contact/
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:06 PM
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1. Harry Reid cannot impeach Bush. Must start in House. Best bet is "Humiliation, then Resignation"
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:07 PM by emulatorloo
Impeachment must also involve Republicans who are willing to do what's right. I do not know if there is enough time to impeach -- what was the timeline on Clinton impeachment for example?

Nobody wants Bush Cheney out more than I do.

Realistically our best shot is "Humiliation followed by Resignation"

Dems need to investigate and humiliate.

Repubs need to then convince them to Resign for the Good of the Party and Country.

JMHO
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:08 PM
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4. Resignation? Those guys? Never happen. nt.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:10 PM
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6. If enough senior Republican senators demanded it, it might -- pressure your repub senator.
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:11 PM by emulatorloo
That's what it took for Nixon, and I thought he would never resign either.

There are a few repubs who are starting to "get" what a disaster Bush is. If not for the country, then for their precious Republican party.

I am writing my republican senator every week, making rational arguments about this.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:17 PM
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10. I hope I'm wrong, but I cannot imagine these people...
...going quietly.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:16 PM
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8. Bush does not do " humiliation"
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:17 PM by sheeptramp
He dos'nt even do congressional subpeonas
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:21 PM
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13. We just need someone to dress up like his mother to deliver them.
I am pretty sure he whimpers and quivers when his mother yells at him.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:55 PM
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28. I wonder if the Quaker Oats Man is looking for work.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:28 PM
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16. I feel we have no other choice but to begin writing articles of impeachment...
... which I understand start in the House. Non the less, if Reid is weighing in on impeachment to the mainstream media, we must address this by what the OP describes. I've just visited his web form (again) and suggest we

Keep phoning the Senate and the House
Keep e-mailing the Senate and the House
Keep showing up or demanding CM's hold town hall meetings (I"m working on this, which is like pulling teeth in my CD)
Keep calling in to talk shows on both sides of the impeachment issue
Keep writing letters to the op ed on behalf of voting these guys out of office if they DON'T take up impeachment in the House

By using ANY MEANS NECESSARY, we need to continue this rant until it reaches a fever pitch! :rant:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:30 PM
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18. yes, I know--but Harry ENDORSING Pelosi makes the NO much stronger!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:15 PM
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32. Notice that Harry Reid didn't say he had no control over whether to impeach --
Yes, it begins in the house, but obviously the leadership will say go or no --

And Pelosi has been saying "no" to Conyers --

Conyers is saying -- imo -- that he knows the public wants impeachment and he has evidence --

and that if he can get three more Reps to sign on -- he'll go WITHOUT leadership approval--!!!!

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:07 PM
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2. Did he really say that?...
...He didn't happen to mention what's more important, did he?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:09 PM
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5. I didn't see, but I would guess getting troops out of Iraq was one of them.
He seems to have made that a priority as of late. Shaming the Republicans into doing the right thing is hard work so far.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:12 PM
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7. Attempting to shame the shameless is a fool's errand. nt.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:20 PM
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11. Senator Kerry is reporting that privately Repub Senators are sick of Bush
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:23 PM by emulatorloo
In an interview on Hardball he said there are a number of Senators who are ready to start voting with Dems on Iraq withdrawal, but they have promised the White House to continue to cover for Bushco until the September surge report. The implication is that the Dems are trying to break through w these Senators and convince them that they need to forget their promises to the White House and do what is right.

ON EDIT interesting related snip:


http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/politicsBlog/?p=695

July 16th, 2007
Kerry: Bush will relent on Iraq by September
Posted by Casey Ross at 6:45 pm
U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry on Monday predicted that U.S. troops will be pulled from Iraq by the early fall, saying President Bush is slowly wilting under pressure from Congress.

“I believe that by September the president will announce that troops will be able to come back, and they’ll do it under one guise or another,” Kerry said during a rare visit to the State House on Monday.

The senator was on Beacon Hill to tout government investments in renewable energy and small business, but he took time to address the intensifying battle over Iraq war policy.

He said senate Democrats do not have the 60 votes needed to force a withdrawal, but he believes Bush cannot hold out against opposition much longer. “My hope is the president is going to change his policy because he’s going to see that this thing’s moving against him.”

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:08 PM
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44. The WH only needs until September...
...why? Very worrisome.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:49 PM
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26. Next week's Reid: "There are more important things than getting troops out of Iraq"
He's just treading water, waiting for the 2008 elections. Not a winning strategy.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:08 PM
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3. Well, fuck you, Senator.
I hope you and Pelosi get run out of your respective seats post-haste, you complicit bastard.
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tired_old_fireman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:12 PM
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30. This epitomizes everything that is wrong with the democratic party.
The democratic party has a perceived weakness against terrorism. How many times after 9/11 did we hear "at least someone with balls is President to go after these guys?" Why do the democrats get portrayed as weak? Because they won't stand up and fight for anything!

They won't stand up to the President and de-fund the war. They won't stand up to the President when he breaks the law. They won't stand up for anything. Instead, they say they have more important business like trying to pass non binding resolutions and bills that everyone knows Bush will veto. There's a reason why congress has lower approval ratings than the President. At least Bush believes in something and fights for it. Sure, everything he believes in is evil. It comes across like the democrats either don't believe in anything or won't fight for what they believe in.

Harry Reid needs to be replaced. We cannot afford to have this weak willed loser as the face of the democratic party. Give us a Senate Majority Leader Webb and we might not have to watch Giuliani get sworn into office in 2008. Show the country the democratic party is better than this dolt.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:13 PM
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31. Amen.
Welcome to DU!

:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:17 PM
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9. That works for voting as well.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:20 PM
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12. It was about censure, not impeachment
May be the I word was mentioned, I do not remember, but the comments were related to what Feingold had said earlier on MTP about wanting to introduce two censure motions this coming week I think. Reid was indeed very lukewarm about the idea. Later though Durbin sounded much more in favor when asked about this by Blizer. We shall see....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:25 PM
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14. Don't confuse me with the FACTS! LOL
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:27 PM
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15. Never again!
At least not today :-)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:17 PM
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34. Same roadway . . . let's get traffic on it --
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:29 PM
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17. Impeachment is a tool for the US citizens--not up to you (is what I will tell him)
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:33 PM
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19. like passing watered down law for Bush to violate??
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:37 PM by pat_k
Like getting kicked in the teeth?

Even attempting to invoke "inherent contempt" just hands Bush and Cheney the opportunity to send it up to SCOTUS to officially nullify that Congressional power (i.e., to be "Bush v. Gored.")

Repeatedly and intentionally taking a course that inevitably results is being steamrolled and ridiculed, when the MOST that could be "accomplished" is passing watered down laws for Bush and Cheney to violate, is certainly worrisome.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:34 PM
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20. The U.S. Senate does not deal with IMPEACHMENT, so he should not be speaking on it
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:35 PM by journalist3072
Impeachment starts in the house, and if the President is impeached, a trial happens in the Senate.

The Senate would have no choice but to put Bushie on trial if he is impeached in the House.

My question now is: Is Harry Reid talking to members of the House, warning them not to impeach Bush?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:35 PM
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21. We know that, but he could express an opinion, as did Boxer, if he chose
to. It'd do nothing but help the cause, and god knows, this admin is deserving.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:15 PM
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42. I think it's inappropriate for Senators to express an opinion on impeachment, and here's why
If George W. Bush were to be impeached in the House, of course we all know that he goes on trial in the Senate, with the Chief Justice presiding, and all 100 Senators acting as jurors.

So, I don't think Senators (as potential jurors) should express an opinion on impeachment, becasue then Bush's lawyers will be able to question their objectivity in the matter.

I'm looking at this completely from the perspective of Senators as potential jurors. If Bush were to go on trial, I would not want to see him get off on any type of technicality, like a claim of a biased jury pool.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:44 PM
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24. His oath demands he "speak on it." He could introduce a "Sense of the Senate" . . .
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:44 PM by pat_k
. . .resolution calling on the House Judiciary committee to initiate impeachment hearings in the next session. (like the one in http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1380158&mesg_id=1381325">this post)

They've already told us they believe Bush and Cheney are attacking the Constitution. Their Congressional oath -- taken by every Member of both the House and Senate demands that they take action to defend the Constitution. And that means PUBLICLY calling for impeachment.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:38 PM
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22. The house is on fire and he is redecorating! Are these people idiots or evil?
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:46 PM
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25. Denial is powerful. Group think is power. They are "evil" forces. . .
. . .that have led people to disaster on countless occassions.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:40 PM
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23. Maybe we can hire his son and son-in-law to lobby for us!!
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:53 PM
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27. Reid /Pelosi apologists. Would it not be better if they just admitted
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:55 PM by Neshanic
to the nation that nothing will happen to anyone in this administration?

It would be I think a "strategy" that would work very well. Admit that the administration is so corrupt that only the election in 2008 will clean them out.

No more impeachment, nasty letters, threats, contempt, looking into things, just very publically both of you get on TV and tell the American public that the corruption is too deep, too wide, and too strong to take on. The tell us that all the crimes of this administration for it's entirety will be put on display for all to see after the 2008 election.

Nobody takes you two seriously anymore. Is the approval rate of the congress in the teens yet?

Just tell the truth now. We are powerless and just have to ride it out.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:06 PM
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29. How To Talk On The Corporate Media
Again...our biggest nemesis right now aren't the Repugnicans...it's the corporate media. They've already spread the meme that it's the Democrats who are holding things up...and I've seen plenty here on DU take that bait. The other meme the Repugnicans would love to have out there is how the House & Senate are so "investigation crazy" that nothing else is getting done...and through their obstruction...they're right. But would the corporate media shine the light on the 6 or so Senators who are preventing the passage of Prescription Health Care reform or implementing the 9/11 commission recommendations or tuition relief to college and students? Nope, all it'll focus on is how the "Democrats are attempting a power play...overturning the '04 election...blah blah blah." This won't be about criminality and abuse of power...it will be a personality pissing match...how those nasty Democrats are being mean and nasty. And don't expect this mindset to change.

Reid speaks the obvious right now. He does have other priorities...forcing a change of course in Iraq is first and foremost. IMHO miles ahead of a political impeachment and we can see how difficult it is just to get 6 sensible Repugnicans to stand up to the bullies in the White House. Be assured their spines aren't gonna stiffen right now with articles of impeachment.

If and when Congressman Conyers comes up with the articles, then we see where the landscape is. Be assured it's gonna be a lot different in 3 or 6 months from now. Right now the focus...especially Reid's...is to force the Repugnicans to break ranks...get the 60 votes to end the McConnell filibuster and force this regime to either compromise or face the total implosion of their corrupt party.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:17 PM
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33. I tend to agree about the public statement. Reid has no reason
to tip his hand right now. And I agree wholeheartedly about his job re the Thugs breaking ranks.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:20 PM
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36. Let's wait until September to see, or maybe April 2008 -- ????!!!!!!
What is all this willingness to deny what you are seeing and hearing with your own eyes and ears???

Is it because you have to actually think and do something if you admit what's happening -- ?????????

Look, how many of you are struggling to get get in and out of your Senator/Representatives websites just to pass on your opinions?

How many of you are making phone calls -- ???

We need open e-mail addresses and we should be collecting all of them that we have so that we
can all be active more easily NOT TELLING ONE ANOTHER HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THESE IDIOTIC THINGS HAPPENING, BUT INSURING THAT WE ARE TELLING THE CONGRESS AND ITS LEADERS WHAT WE THINk -- !!!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:24 PM
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37. I'm not waiting, I'm organizing in my city. What I said was,
I think I understand why Harry Reid responded as he did in that venue. Check my avatar!

:hi:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:18 PM
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35. Crickets chirping.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:06 PM
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38. This is not surprising from a man who stood on the Senate floor about
10 days ago and bragged about telling his sons that they all have a right to be buried in Israel because they are Jewish.

I don't know why he made the statement, I couldn't follow his logic or place it in context. But in relation to not impeaching * as the Constitution requires, it makes perfect sense because * is doing exactly what Israel wants done.

We must replace both Reid and Pelosi with persons who are not bought and paid for.


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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:34 PM
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39. He made the statement about his sons being allowed to be
buried in Israel because his wife is Jewish.

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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:37 PM
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41. What does this have to do with his being a Senator in the United States?
Why did Reid feel the need to state this on the floor of the Senate?

Reid usually rambles in a monotone and I was not able to discern what this had to do with his job as a legislator.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:32 PM
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40. Care to retire, Harry?
Listen to your fucking constituents already!
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JacquesMolay Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:59 PM
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43. He's concerned about political backlash from the electorate ...
.. they don't want to be perceived as being hung up on 'procedural issues'. But I think Feingold's censure measure is a great idea.
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