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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:44 PM
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Is the Elizabeth Edwards "tangerine" thing real, or did Boortz just make an ass of himself again?
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 01:46 PM by Zavulon
This was on Boortz's blog today (http://boortz.com/nuze/200707/07252007.html)

Wednesday, July 25, 2007

YOUR PRUNES HAVE A CARBON FOOTPRINT

Elizabeth Edwards, wife of Democrat Party candidate John Edwards, is starting to get all of her fruits and vegetables locally. Why? Because apparently these fruits and vegetables have a carbon footprint. Yup ... when you transport fruit you have to burn fossil fuels .. and that means your next apple is actually causing (gasp!) global warming! The lovely Elizabeth says "I live in North Carolina. I'll probably never eat a tangerine again."

These global warming nut-case cultists want to run our country! They want to charge you extra for your fruits and vegetables because of their carbon footprint! Problem is, we have just enough idiot voters out there to put them in office!


I couldn't believe Elizabeth Edwards was capable of saying something like that (it just struck me as too stupid to come from her) so I looked it up on Google News (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=tangerine&btnG=Search).

The only hit I got was from a UK satire site (http://www.anorak.co.uk/twitterings/175421.html)!

I know Boortz is an idiot, but he has been doing radio and blogs for years. Not even he could fall for this - or could he?

Does anyone know anything about this?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:46 PM
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1. Don't know about EE, but I do know about farming...
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 01:54 PM by SpiralHawk
and the carbon footprint is, naturally, enough true.

Support your local farmers.

Withhold support from corporate mega-farm destroyers of the earth and its atmosphere, who serve up mutant crapola so-called food-product processed nutrition units of additive added petroleum-byproduct fertilized, stablilized and preserved facsimile crud.

Every food dollar you spend is either a vote for a clean, green earth and to support honest work for men and women, or a vote for corporate tyranny and environmental destruction. Spend you dollars (votes) wisely.

If EE is in fact supporting her local NC farmers, I say Good On Her -- how perfect American.

And republicons who carp about it are, in my view, treasonous to everything that has made the USA great. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn this complaining is a republicon corporate BLACK OPS BLOG ATTACK to destroy reason, common sense, and clean food.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:53 PM
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6. But to judge by the Boortz article the footprint
would apply to anything that is transported. I'm no expert on carbon footprints, but I do know that not everything can be produced locally in all places. According to the article, EE didn't say anything about "corporate mega-farm destroyers of the earth, who serve up mutant crapola so-called food-product processed nutrition units of additive added petroleum-byproduct fertilized, stablilized and preserved facsimile crud," she referred to the fact that tangerines have to be transported.

In other words, my watch has the same carbon footprint that tangerines do and probably, more, since it came from Japan.

Sure, I would buy from local farmers whenever I could, but that doesn't mean I'd give up things that can't be grown in the D.C. metro area.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:00 PM
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10. EE is free to buy whatever she wants wherever she wants, as are you. That's a given.
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 02:01 PM by SpiralHawk
The republicons, who apparently oppose Free Will, would condemn her for exercising her own choices about food. EE is not making a campaign out of this, she's just exercising her free will -- apparently abhorent to the FASCIST FREAKS OF REPUBLICONISM.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:09 PM
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16. No argument, obviously.
It's just that if fuels expended for transport mean that every individual item sold outside of walking distance from where it was made now has its own carbon footprint, that means everything I own has one. It'd be tough to give up everything. Also, would that mean she wouldn't attend any functions outside of Washington or NC?


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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:12 PM
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22. Mostly everything will have a carbon footprint
The goal is to reduce it, not avoid things that have a carbon footprint.

And yes, if that means reducing your long-distance farming load as much as you can, then that's what it means. I don't see how doing such a thing makes one a "nutcase." What, are you addicted to fucking tangerines?

The key phrase: "that doesn't mean I'd give up things..."

Of course you wouldn't. Kinda says it all, qualifying clauses notwithstanding.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:29 PM
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44. No, I am not "addicted to fucking tangerines."
However, I'm not giving up German beer, German coffee, French cheese, French wine, English tea, certain European meats, (the list could go on for ages).

Now that we've established that I'm not "addicted to fucking tangerines," I'll go back to my original question while some of you continue your debate about buying locally: does anyone know of EE actually said this, or did Boortz jump the gun and just do knee-jerk bloviating?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:49 PM
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2. It is true we don't grow tangerines here
Oranges and peaches are easy enough, but not tangerines. Although, you could plant your own tree(s) if you really love them that much. I think we're far enough south.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:50 PM
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3. Buying locally is something people do on
I don't know what Elizabeth Edwards said, but purchasing goods from local farms and businesses is what people choose to do on principle, either to help the little guy, support the local community, buy according to environmentally friendly principles, or some combination of those. You'd never know any of that from Boortz's hysterical, ignorant, and boorish rant. Someone should ask Boortz why he hates local farmers and business people.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:51 PM
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4. Politico has it too - but we know how reliable they can be...
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 01:54 PM by Mass
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0707/No_tangerines_for_you.html.

Buying local is a good idea anyway, particularly if you buy organic and local.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:56 PM
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9. I can't believe Google didn't pick that up, but as you point out
Politico has blown it before. Thanks for letting me know, though, because where I live and work I can pick up today's hard copy for free.

I am SO hoping this is a hoax and that these jerkoffs got suckered in.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:00 PM
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11. I hope this is an hoax, because the comment is so silly, even if buying local is
a good idea. I guess she is not going to fly for state visits if she is first lady.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:05 PM
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14. If not, I'll have to
throw away just about everything I own.

I'm one of those rare guys who likes foreign movies. I guess there's a hobby I'd have to kiss off.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:53 PM
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5. I heard, way back in my vegetarian days, that local produce
is healthier because it grows in the same conditions as where you live. It seemed to make sense back in my hippie days...........
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:55 PM
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8. . . . and it doesn't cost the fuel to haul them all over the planet.
nt

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:54 PM
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7. Umm . . . a lot of people are starting to feel that way.

Read Barbara Kingsolver's "Animal Vegetable Miracle" and you'll know that the fossil fuels burned to transport bananas, etc. all over the place is pretty high.

If you have plenty of local fruits and vegetable in season, eat them instead.

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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:04 PM
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12. Fossil fuels to transport anything is pretty high, though.
You could make that case for any product. Worse still, when I ask my local grocer where this or that comes from, all I get is shrugged shoulders and a confused look.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:10 PM
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19. Sure, but if EE has plenty of local choices instead of bananas & tangerines
then she is going to make the choice to eat them instead.

That's all she was saying, imho. She has a nearby great Farmer's Market and so do I. I take great advantage of it every week. She probably does the same at hers.



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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:23 PM
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38. I didn't read it that way.
My closest Farmer's Market sells tangerines, but they aren't produced locally. I don't think that she's talking about the availability of local vendors, she's talking about not consuming something that isn't made where she lives. I just think that if she's going to give up stuff not produced locally, she's in for a rough ride.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:29 PM
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43. Here's what she's talking about

Oily Food

Americans put almost as much fossil fuel into our refrigerators as our cars. We’re consuming about 400 gallons of oil a year per citizen – about 17% of our nation’s energy use – for agriculture, a close second to our vehicular use. Tractors, combines, harvesters, irrigation, sprayers, tillers, balers, and other equipment all use petroleum. Even bigger gas guzzlers on the farm are not the machines, but so-called inputs. Synthetic fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides use oil and natural gas as their starting materials, and in their manufacturing. More than a quarter of all farming energy goes into synthetic fertilizers.


But getting the crop from seed to harvest takes only one fifth of the total oil used for our food. The lion’s share is consumed during the trip from the farm to your plate. Each food item in a typical U.S. meal has traveled an average of 1500 miles. In addition to direct transport, other fuel-thirsty steps include processing (drying, milling, cutting, sorting, baking), packaging, warehousing and refrigeration. Energy calories consumed by production, packaging and shipping far outweigh the energy calories we receive from the food.

A quick way to improve food-related fuel economy would be to buy a quart of motor oil and drink it. More palatable options are available. If every U.S. citizen ate just one meal a week (any meal) composed of locally and organically raised meats and produce, we would reduce our country’s oil consumption by over 1.1 million barrels of oil every week. That’s not gallons, but barrels. Small changes in buying habits can make big differences. Becoming a less energy-dependent nation may just need to start with a good breakfast.

Steven L. Hopp


http://www.animalvegetablemiracle.com/Steven%20Excerpt.html

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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:31 PM
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45. My real question was not about this, I just wanted to know if
EE actually said that or if Boortz was blowing a gasket over satire?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:35 PM
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51. And my answer is, I don't think it was satire.
That it was based on something that is a concern to people like EE, imho.





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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:43 PM
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56. Fair enough, thanks for the answer.
I hope it WAS satire, though, because it'd make Boortz look dumber than he is already. That's actually all I was trying to establish, but look at what came of it. This is why I so rarely start threads in GD. Appreciate your answer, though.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:05 PM
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13. i think you should buy your produce locally.
think of it as another way of voting with your pocket book as well as being environmentally correct.

i try as much as possible to buy my fruits and veggies from my farmers market -- and at my little grocery i buy cali grown stuff.

ieven do that with my meats.

what you eat can be grown locally today -- and it's important to do this both to support our local farmers and for the global enivironment.

if it's true that boortz went off like that -- then he is the crazy one and not elizabeth.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:08 PM
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15. 10 Reasons to Eat Local Food
10 Reasons to Eat Local Food

1. Eating local means more for the local economy. According to a study by the New Economics Foundation in London, a dollar spent locally generates twice as much income for the local economy. When businesses are not owned locally, money leaves the community at every transaction. (reference)

2. Locally grown produce is fresher. While produce that is purchased in the supermarket or a big-box store has been in transit or cold-stored for days or weeks, produce that you purchase at your local farmer's market has often been picked within 24 hours of your purchase. This freshness not only affects the taste of your food, but the nutritional value which declines with time.

3. Local food just plain tastes better. Ever tried a tomato that was picked within 24 hours? 'Nuff said.

4. Locally grown fruits and vegetables have longer to ripen. Because the produce will be handled less, locally grown fruit does not have to be "rugged" or to stand up to the rigors of shipping. This means that you are going to be getting peaches so ripe that they fall apart as you eat them, figs that would have been smashed to bits if they were sold using traditional methods, and melons that were allowed to ripen until the last possible minute on the vine.

5. Eating local is better for air quality and pollution than eating organic. In a March 2005 study by the journal Food Policy, it was found that the miles that organic food often travels to our plate creates environmental damage that outweighs the benefit of buying organic.

6. Buying local food keeps us in touch with the seasons. By eating with the seasons, we are eating foods when they are at their peak taste, are the most abundant, and the least expensive.

7. Buying locally grown food is fodder for a wonderful story. Whether it's the farmer who brings local apples to market or the baker who makes local bread, knowing part of the story about your food is such a powerful part of enjoying a meal.

8. Eating local protects us from bio-terrorism. Food with less distance to travel from farm to plate has less susceptibility to harmful contamination.

9. Local food translates to more variety. When a farmer is producing food that will not travel a long distance, will have a shorter shelf life, and does not have a high-yield demand, the farmer is free to try small crops of various fruits and vegetables that would probably never make it to a large supermarket. Supermarkets are interested in selling "Name brand" fruit: Romaine Lettuce, Red Delicious Apples, Russet Potatoes. Local producers often play with their crops from year to year, trying out Little Gem Lettuce, Senshu Apples, and Chieftain Potatoes.

10. Supporting local providers supports responsible land development. When you buy local, you give those with local open space - farms and pastures - an economic reason to stay open and undeveloped.


http://fogcity.blogs.com/jen/2005/08/10_reasons_to_e.html

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:09 PM
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17. so wh!--she wants to buy locally--NOTHING stupid about that!
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:13 PM
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25. That's not what I meant.
I meant that if everything that has to be transported by way of fossil fuel consumption has a carbon footprint, that means everything I own (and almost everything she owns, too) has one. Everything.
If she wants to buy locally, great - but could she possibly apply that to every aspect of her life?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:15 PM
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29. Everything that's transported does have a footprint. I don't think EE or
any other sane person is suggesting you - or they - need to zero out everything. But it doesn't hurt to be mindful of it.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:16 PM
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33. Exactly.
I'm kind of shocked that DU'ers aren't more plugged into the movement to eat more locally grown items, and the cost to the environment of eating non-local fruits and vegetables that have a long distance to be hauled.


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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:19 PM
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35. So if I don't give up tangerines,
German beer, French wine, etc, I'm not "plugged in?"
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:22 PM
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37. Make the choices you want.

Just educate yourself about the consequences. That's what I mean by "plugged in."

That's all.

I certainly don't eat everything from local producers, but I make the best choices I can.

Do I eat strawberries from California in the grocery store when there's a wealth of them fresh at my farmer's market? No.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:15 PM
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30. She has local choices for produce and veggies.
She might not have the same local choice for other items.

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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:10 PM
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18. What if you like seafood and live far from a coast? n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:11 PM
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21. It's a choice. Just like eating organic.

No one is forcing anyone else to eat local.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:16 PM
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32. People don't like to be TOLD that thneir choices are irresponsible
Especially when those choices satisfy some personal desire.

The problem is not, apparently, forcing people to do something. They've set the bar much lower than that. The problem is even attempting to persuade them to do something. That in itself, according to the bluster, is as oppressive as the worst fascism. God forbid you point out that somebody sucking up tangerines in the Michigan winter is valuing their sweet, sweet pleasure juice over the health of the fucking planet. You may as well have killed their children as tell them that!
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:25 PM
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39. Where does your toilet paper come from?
Is it produced locally or shipped in? Of course if you were concerned about the health of the planet you would use leaves.

:rofl:

:hide:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:28 PM
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42. See, there's your mistake
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 02:30 PM by alcibiades_mystery
You expect purism. I only ask for mindfulness.

Expecting purity is the key sign of a weak mind. All or nothing, like a petulant teenager.

I'm perfectly willing to admit that my desire for sweet, sweet soft ass-paper is fundamentally irresponsible. I have no problem admitting that. It's funnier when a jackass flies into a brutal rage when told the same about his sweet, sweet desire for winter oranges.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:32 PM
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46. I'm always mindful of my choices
but I would never point out to someone else that their "sucking up tangerines in the Michigan winter is valuing their sweet, sweet pleasure juice over the health of the fucking planet".
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Why not?
It's true.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. Then why doesn't the same apply to your toilet paper?
Russians used Pravda for years. You have locally produced newspapers, correct?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. Learn how to read
I said the same DOES apply to my toilet paper, right there in the previous post.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:42 PM
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55. That's not what I asked. Maybe you should learn how to read.
What I want to know isn't whether your toilet paper choices are "irresponsible," I want to know if they constitute "valuing sweet, sweet backside comfort over the health of the fucking planet."
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:52 PM
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59. Ay yay yay
That's what irresponsible means in this context, boss.

The point is very simple. WE all make choices, and many of those choices involve valuing our comfort over the public good. We can make those choices consciously, or we can avoid thinking about them. My very, very radical suggestion is that the more we make those choices consciously, the more we will tend to favor the public good...if we're ethical people. This isn't complicated. Stop pretending that it is. You like your German beer. So do I. If I can't get a Jever I don't want to live there. If I can't get prusciutto di parma to go with some melon from time to time during the summer, I feel that my life is impoverished. You damn skippy. I'm not a purist, however much you'd like to imagine yourself "debating" with one. I'm not debating with you. But those TASTES cost something (ass comfort too), and not just in my wallet. So maybe I cut down in another area. Maybe I try to adjust other practices. Maybe I think more carefully when I'm at the supermarket or the butcher or the flower shop, or buying toys for my daughter, or wherever. The point is that we need to start thinking in social costs (rather than merely individual costs) for our decision-making.

Now you can go ahead and pretend that I'm saying something I'm not, or that I've contradicted myself, or that I'm a hypocrite, or whatever other dumbass gotcha game you wanna play on the message board. I really couldn't care less.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:24 PM
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61. I don't imagine myself debating with you at all.
I was just trying to find out why you were so manic about tangerines and why you would write something as bitter as "God forbid you point out that somebody sucking up tangerines in the Michigan winter is valuing their sweet, sweet pleasure juice over the health of the fucking planet."

When I read what you wrote, I assumed that you'd be quick to say something like "God forbid you point out that somebody sucking down Paulaner in the Maryland winter is valuing their sweet, sweet pleasure juice over the health of the fucking planet" to me if you ever saw me throwing back a bottle of my brand of choice. Getting that direct and bitter about tangerines made me wonder if you were ready to apply that logic to everything. Now, I know you aren't and I have my answer.

Now, do you know if EE actually said this tangerine thing to begin with? The whole purpose of this thread, which many of us (including me) have digressed from, was to find out if I could write to Boortz and say "Hey, dumb fuck, it didn't even happen."
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:20 PM
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62. Holy shit
Somebody sucking down Paulaner in the Maryland winter IS valuing their sweet, sweet pleasure juice over the health of the fucking planet. That's the point. The logic does apply to everything. You're goddamn right it does. My German beer, your German beer, dumbfuck's tangerines, and my Charmin.

I don't know why you're having trouble with this simple point.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:55 PM
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64. I'm not.
I was wondering why you sounded so bitter about it, as I said earlier. Elsewhere in the thread I said that anything that has to be transported has some sort of carbon footprint. I just wonder why you're so pissed off and dramatic about it.

See, I don't happen to think that tangerines or German beer are a threat to the planet, and I don't think that people who consume them are valuing them over the health of the planet. You do - fine. I was just taken aback by your phrasing and wanted to know the extent of your belief.

I'm not "having trouble with this simple point," I don't need to learn how to read. I was just wondering why you're so fucking worked up, but I really don't care anymore.

Go ahead and have the last word, I'm done.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Your attempt
to portray me as "worked up," "manic," "bitter," or otherwise in need of my senses is interesting as a stunt, but ultimately pathetic. I'm am not any of those things. This is how we learn to talk in New Yawk, son. Sorry if it is a bit too rough for your delicate sensibilities. Just cuz I throw a fuck in there once in a while and maybe state things a bit colorfully does not mean I'm bitter, manic, upset, irrational, worked up, upset, angry, jolted, jilted, jonesing, or otherwise unsound. So fucking well and truly give it up, charlie.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:33 PM
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48. Nor would I.
There's mindfulness, and then there's the concept of "overboard."

BTW, your "leaves" thing was hilarious. :rofl:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:13 PM
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24. That particular problem is solving itself, for all of us. nt
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:14 PM
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26. You weigh your desire for seafood against your responsibility for the polis
That is happening anyway. You just didn't know it before.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:14 PM
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28. Or tangerines, for that matter.
Sorry, I'm not giving up German beer or French wine. I'm keeping my Seiko and might buy another one some day.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:11 PM
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20. I doubt very much she would say that. She travels a lot, and she could travel into tangerine country
Nothing says you can't eat local when in town. And no, not asking her to stop traveling, although Boortz probably would.

This has the illogic of a rightwinger (which doubles as satire), so I really doubt she said it unless she was joking.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:13 PM
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23. Sounds like she would be very supportive of local farmers
in whatever place they are local.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:15 PM
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31. Exactly. In other words, quite reasonable. nt
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:25 PM
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40. My initial thought was that she didn't say it at all.
It struck me as satire, and seeing it nowhere but on a satire site made me even more convinced of that. I could ovbiously be wrong, but this thread has already morphed into a debate about buying locally.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:28 PM
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41. That's actually a good thing. Buying locally is more interesting than Boortz any day!
Although it is funny he got snookered :)
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:34 PM
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50. I'm hoping to establish that he DID get snookered, that's all.
Anyone else who wants to debate buying locally is free to do so. I never said buying local was bad, but that's apparently how some people read my OP.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:14 PM
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27. I don't know if she said that, but if she did, she's right.
Eating locally grown food, and buying locally produced goods when possible, reduces the carbon footprint.

It's a simple enough concept for young children to understand. The farther a product is shipped, the more fuel it uses to get to the consumer.

What is hard to understand about that?

People who are serious about reducing the carbon "footprint" will pay attention to where their food and other goods come from.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:17 PM
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34. Nothing is hard to understand about that, but
if we're going to assign a carbon footprint to everything that has to be transported, I'd be willing to bet that almost everything she owns has one. Besides, I wasn't saying that buying locally was bad, I simply wanted to know if EE actually said that or if Boortz ripped her for no reason.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:34 PM
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49. Not saying stop all international trade. But shipping is one of, if not the biggest
contributor to global warming (along with the military). We've gone way overboard on both.

Moderation in all things is not a bad way to live.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:19 PM
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36. Boortz should read (if he can) "Animal Vegetable Miracle" by Barbara Kingsolver.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:37 PM
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54. How can we tell when Boortz makes an ass of himself again? Isn't it a permanent condition?
Can't tell the difference anymore between one drool-laden Boortz comment and another anymore. Pretty much like Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, Levin, Malkin, Beck - they never, ever, ever waver or surprise with a thoughtful comment. All Bush Love, and Dem hate, all the time. So, just more of the same here.

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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:47 PM
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57. But wouldn't it be funnier if
Boortz flew off the handle at something that never happened? That's all I was trying to find out. Being wrong about something is infinitely funnier when it's bitter ranting about something that never happened. I wanted to write Boortz and tell him that he was bloviating over nothing, but first I had to establish whether it was or was not said by EE.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 03:05 PM
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60. Your point is well taken, and thanks for the post. Reality may be tough for Neil, though.
Not sure Boortz can tell the difference between reality and the deteriorating neurons firing in what's left of his mind, but I do appreciate your post and response.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:47 PM
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58. so Elizabeth gets it and Boortz still has his head up EXXONS ass?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:40 PM
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63. Transporting anything increases the carbon output
To qualify for some types of green building levels, you have to buy local products for your building. The distance building materials are transported increases carbon emissions. I also try to buy local products to reduce my carbon footprint as well as supporting local farmer's. Do some more research before you call all of us nutcases. Instead, we will all have to follow these practices to reduce carbon emissions.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:59 PM
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65. Again, the original question was
whether EE actually said what Boortz claimed she did, because if it turned out that he took an Onion-style piece of satire seriously I was going to write to him and let him know what an insane fuckbag he is. I could still do that, but it would have been more effective if he had fallen for a joke article. And still, after all this time, I don't know if EE really said it or not.

I wasn't calling you or anyone else a nutcase, although Boortz would certainly qualify. As I've stated repeatedly earlier in the thread, I'm well aware that transporting anything increases carbon output.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 05:02 PM
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66. Wanker of the Day
Why are we posting wingnut crappola? Mrs. Edwards probably is buying more local these days. What's the hang-up here?

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