"HOMELAND" IS A NAZI TERM

The origins of this term are discussed at length in this Paul Craig Roberts interview on the Thom Hartmann show.

Program contains an audio clip, taken from a Nazi rally, that is an example of how the term was used (in German).

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/PORTLAND-OR/KPOJ-AM/Nat%20Show%20hr%201%207-19-07.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=PORTLAND-OR&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=674&STATION_ID=KPOJ-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=AM620_KPOJ&PCAST_CAT=News_%26_Politics&PCAST_TITLE=Thom_Hartmann_Nationwide

Isn't "America" or "The US" sufficient? I know there are psychological reasons for this, but they don't work on rational, thinking people - only the sheeple.

I mean come on, these guys are like comic book villains

are to equate perceived threats to the fascist state with threats to the home or family from secret police. These come invariable with laws enabling agents to come into homes without a warrant, (Patriot Act) or interrogate family members, so the psychological implication is to THREATEN, explicitly from external terrorists but implicitly from secret police...If you don't stand for the war (You hate America) then you are turning against the HOMEland, and the agents will be in your home.

I hate the term Homeland.

:dunce:

:dunce:

history and replace it with false reality and slogans.

have no clue what "history" is.

predates the nazis by a great deal

:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland


Homeland
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For other uses, see Homeland (disambiguation).

A homeland (rel. country of origin and native land) is the concept of the territory (cultural geography) to which an ethnic group holds a long history and a deep cultural association with —the country in which a particular national identity began. As a common noun, it simply connotes the country of one's origin. When used as a proper noun, the word, as well as its cognates in other languages (ie. Heimatland in German) often have ethnic nationalist connotations: Fatherland, Motherland, Mother country, each have some distinct interpretation according to nationality or historical usage.

"Homeland" implies ethnic geography, binding a people by a common language, culture, or even ancestry. In the United States, this is not the case.

That's because there is no one American culture or one ethnic group who predominates by sheer numbers. Even though the majority of Americans are of European ancestry, the white people's ancestral homelands are numerous and originate all over Europe--in fact, most white Americans are of mixed European ancestry, and some "whites" are actually part Native American.

So, we can't call American soil "the homeland" because our country is an amalgam of peoples, cultures, and ancestries. America is a nation bound by an idea--that of alleged liberty, not by ethnicity.

As an aside, I'd call "homeland security" domestic defense: defending American soil against domestic enemies, namely certain members of an adminstration/regime who shall not be named in this post.

them" mentality.

...for the Sioux.

It was the first inkling I had about their true motives.

Just because Hitler or some other Nazis used the word hardly makes it a "Nazi" term.

Likewise, the Nazi salute was not of Nazi origin.

But, hell, it's no fun pointing out these facts.

If you want to run around in tinfoil hat and cape chanting, "Bush is a nazi! Bush is a nazi!", go right ahead. Don't expect a lot of company.

Now we all know what you're about. And stop using labels like "tinfoil hat" to try to kill discussion in this thread. There's nothing "tinfoil" about this clear evidence from history.

You be sure to show us the etymology of the word that attributes it to 1930s/1940s Germany. That should be a hoot. As I said, simply because nazis used the word hardly makes it a nazi word.

As for my lack of respect for "education", I'm a little particular about facts. I won't be watching your ridiculous video, just as I won't be visiting the Creation Museum anytime soon.

You don't know who Paul Craig Roberts is. You don't know who Thom Hartmann is. You aren't listening, and apparently, you're not reading this thread, either. I hear that they love people who don't listen, don't read, know nothing about history and have no respect for education over at sites like. . .

Free Republic.

I can tell from your posts it's one of the Usual Suspects- I personally have it on ignore.

As you can see, it is terribly obvious, and additionally, it's probably intentionally obtuse as well.

I can't see its posts, but I can see it hasn't changed since I put it on ignore.

So sad. :cry:

Your argument is empty. Devoid of substance. It is the desperate squealing of someone eager to lump this bunch of clowns in with the nazis for simply using a word which, in German, can have a similar translation.

Guilt by word association? That's a first.

for you Click, just like others here who report in the thread that they've added you to THEIR ignore lists.

Sorry you don't like the TRUTH.

You'd be very hard pressed convincing anyone that any member of the Bush family was a member of the Nazi Party.

Perhaps you join the chorus of aluminum foil beanie wearers who are convinced that GWHB was in the thick of the Kennedy assassination. Their argument is actually stronger than this one...

Is that it?

I don't know you're not a sniveling moron yet.

It simply shows that the Germans used it, and defines how Hitler introduced it into their language. I've got anthropology books in my library that cite studies using the term back to the 19th century. It was coined because the point of origin for an ethnic group or culture, and national borders, don't coincide. I have ancestors from Swabia, and the Swabian homeland is in southern Germany. It's just a way to define the point of origin for a cultural group.

When Hitler described the German Homeland, he was trying to create a unified national identity that defined the whole nation as one with a common homeland. Even today, some people will identify themselves as Bavarian, Swabian, or even Saxon before they'll identify themselves as German. Even though we see them all as German, many of the ethnic groups in the country have long histories that predate the founding of the nation. This was a huge issue in 1930's Germany, since the German "nation" was only 60 years old and the concept that all of the German peoples belonged to the same country was still fighting for traction. Hitler was trying to get people to turn their backs on their ethnic heritage and see themselves as Germans first. There's nothing particularly distateful about the CONCEPT, but his motives for doing so were obviously corrupt.

This thread is restricted to silliness. Intelligent, fact-based posts are totally out of place.

I'm sorry, but you'll have to remove yourself from this discussion.

The etymology of the word homeland is very simple. Throughout the 20th century it was used to describe an imigrant's ethnic ties to their country of origin.

It was used as fatherland (direct translation) by the Nazi's, in the same way. And had a direct relationship to their eugenic beliefs.

As it did in the early 20th centruy here as well, at a time when ethnic groups (Poles vs Italians vs Russians) in urban areas would have serious conflicts.

I am quite sure the word has it's root in the Victorian eugenics movement. Although I can't look it up. I have to get back to work.

Try this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homeland

"Homeland" dates back to the 17th century.

Good gawd.

I've written 40 or 50 pages papers about a single word in my day.

Yes it dates back to the 17th century. Referring to the ethnic ties of an immigrant (just like the dictionary says).

And the Nazi's co-opted it. And that added to the word's meaning.

And I am still quite sure it has ties to the Victorian era eugenics movement. (Connected to the Nazi's in in similar beliefs.)

Just because the Nazi didn't invent the word -- doesn't mean that it does not hold their meanings today.

Or if someone tells you "that's cool" do you actually think it's cold.

:spray:

The nazis did nothing to change the meaning of the word (negating your "cool" versus "cold" usages), nor have the idiots in this administration implied anything beyond "United States" when they say "homeland".

Calling the administration "nazis" is pure silliness.

The definition of the word -- as referred to by the OP has it's ORIGINS in Nazi Germany.

They TOOK THE WORD AND USED IT IN A NEW WAY. THEY CO-OPTED IT. THEY BROUGHT NEW MEANING TO IT (POSSIBLY, UNINTENTIONALLY) BECAUSE OF WHO THEY WERE. THE ORIGINS OF THE WORD AS USED IN THE TERM "HOMELAND SECURITY" HAS ITS ROOTS IN NAZI GERMANY.


I never called anyone a Nazis, and I am hardly being silly.

They just want to govern like the Nazis did.



Surge Heil!

Homeland is a nazi term?

Next on the News: Water is wet.

Let's see.....

Which administration established the Department of Homeland Security?

The most nazi-like administration ever!!

I recall when that term was first used (in 2001!) lots of discussion about how it was a term from the nazi era.

Watch your step. DUers don't appreciate name-calling and the administrators here rarely tolerate it.

Thanks for your sternly-worded warning.

FYI, I am not really a "newbie" -- I have been around for some months.

But I defer to someone like yourself -- although, for the life of me, I can't see where I have called anyone a name.

On the other hand - maybe that's not "common" anymore...

Sure, like you heard the clip that Hartmann played before today. Right................................................................

Watch your step. DUers don't appreciate name-calling and the administrators here rarely tolerate it.

I haven't called you any names or otherwise been abusive with you.

Ostriches are noble and intelligent animals.

They neither threaten nor bluster.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood anything I have said here about ostriches to include you.

BTW, calling people "dumbasses" is both insulting and abusive.

FYI.

I have been warned by another poster that dissenting from the other poster's views will get be banned.

FYi.

Ostriches are actually pretty smart.

I do note that not everyone here just realized today that Homeland Security is a nazi term.

Many of us have known it for a long time.

Calling those of us who have known that for a long time "dumbasses" is not what an ostrich would do.

I don't think it's news. But I think it's worthy of discussion.

And I think it's significant that arch conservatives are talking about it.

And ostriches are like dinosaur throwbacks aren't they? ;-)

Hear that sound? Those are mouse clicks, as DUers all over the nation add you to their ignore lists.

Not that!

Not DUers all over the nation adding me to their ignore list!

Anything but that!!

(You may need to log off to see this.)

And no where did he call you a Dumbass.

I think you're pulling plenty of stuff out of your Ass, though.

Sorry that you came to that erroneous conclusion.

and being asinine for the sake of Arguing!

Just an F.Y.I. judging by your screen name are probably older.

Maybe the Cold-War Generation is more aware of where the word "Homeland" originated
but a great number of people that are younger have no idea.
Perhaps this is why this subject was posted in the first place :think:
so there is no need to be so rude about it.

There were lots of people around back in 2001 and 2002 when the Bush misadministration suggested created the Department of Homeland Security.

Many, many of those people objected then to the word "Homeland", precisely because it smacked of Nazism.

To say that only older people knew that Homeland had Nazi overtones is to insult a lot of younger people.

By the way, when it comes to being rude, asking someone "What is Your Fucking Problem?" is --- well, it's not too polite.

And I'm still not comfortable with it.

That also gives me chills. Funny how they trotted out that massive bill right after 9-11 and the cowardly Dems at the time went right along with it, most voting for it w/o even reading it!

I cringe every time I hear that fucking word...

NAZI.

No other description is necessary...

Please find a dictionary and look up the definition of the word 'origin'.

Thanks.

does.

And it's always had a connotation of ethnic separation.

And that is how the Nazi's used it. The homeland was a superior place.

I like the phrase Homeland.

and to refrain using it, this is the United States not Germany.

Comic relief?

DUers -- All over the nation!! -- have put me (and perhaps you, too!) on their ignore lists!

they are all terms of emotional and out of control nationalism - which defines Nazism.

Everyone knows what a nazi Woody Guthrie was.

your land ==> my land ==> motherland ==> fatherland ==> homeland.

There it is. The definitive etymology of homeland, traced directly back to Nazi Oklahoma.

Almost every time I read one of your posts (on any subject) you are arguing with people and belittling them. I can't figure it out -- you either think playing devil's advocate is your high calling, or you really don't agree with most of the positions DEMOCRATS take on a DEMOCRATIC message board. It really leaves me wondering why you come here.

You're not quoting the same terms.

Heim: home, family, dwelling, domicile,
Heimat: native land, homeland, home, native country/region (Before Hitler often used in terms of German region, rather than the whole German state.)
Heimatland: native land/country, homeland
Heimatschuz: home defense
Heimatflughafen: home (air) base
Heimatkrieger: armchair soldier, carpet knight, stay-at-home patriot
Heimatschein: certificate of citizenship

Vater: father
Vaterland: native land, fatherland
Vaterlandsliebe: ("love of the fatherland") patriotism

Notice the different "feel" of the two words. "Heimat" nouns are more related to the physical/official/legal/military worlds, whereas "Vaterland" is more of a "warm fuzzy" word, associated with family and home country. Hitler and his propagandists saw the utility of using Heimat as part of the militarization of post WWI Germany.

Dang, I knew that deg. minor in German would be good for something...

ed for strange smilie that crept in

Aber sie haben heimatsicherheit vergessen.

Heimatsicherheit: Homeland security

"Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" - Nazis

"Guest Workers" - Apartheid

Homeland, Fatherland, Motherland are terms used by nations who make a distinction between those who have a "right" to be there by ancestry and race, as against all others.

The ease with which the term "homeland" became universal in the MSM has revolted me from the first.

Hekate

Kick and NOm

as "the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people." So are we to conclude that the Palestinians are really nazis?

Or maybe we should look a bit more closely into the Balfour declaration in 1917 that called for the creation of a "national home" for the Jewish people in Palestine. YOu've blown the lid off of something big here. It turns out that the Jews were nazis.

Or something.

Jeez....get a grip. Its a fucking word. And its been used in a lot of context other than by Hitler. Does it sound funny to my ears? Sure. In this country, its been more typical to refer to Domestic Security rather than Homeland Security (or protection of domestic tranquility rather than protection of the homeland), but that doesn't mean that the use of Homeland is part of some sort of plot to elevate nazism in the US.

Like overnight when * took office. We switched into Nazis.

:think:

Oxford Dictionary.

Homeland

a. The land which is one's home or where one's home is; one's native land. In earliest use attrib. = HOME n. 15d.
1670 R. BLOME Treat. Trav. & Traff. 53 Another sort of Merchants, which may be termed Homeland-Traders..who drive a trade to Scotland and Ireland. 1833 I. TAYLOR Fanat. v. 139 A homeland densely peopled. 1874 GREEN Short Hist. i. §I. 4 The gods whom our English fathers worshipped in their English home-land. 1887 Home Missionary (N.Y.) Feb. 385 was the native home~land of the buffalo. 1941 W. S. CHURCHILL in Second World War (1950) III. 583 We should therefore face now the problems..of driving Japan back to her homelands and regaining undisputed mastery in the Pacific. 1963 Ann. Reg. 1962 314 A series of ‘independent’ Bantu ‘homelands’, where each ethnic group would have a vote. 1968 G. JONES Hist. Vikings III. i. 145 The political and dynastic history of the Scandinavian homelands. 1970 Caribbean Studies July 90 With such chronological spacing for Homeland English..it is not surprising that..English usage in colonised places also had its period of graduation before being lexicographically chronicled, and..that such chronicles should be..modest imitations of the recognised Homeland product. 1970 Nature 24 Oct. 311/2 One of the regions of South Africa now set aside as a ‘homeland’ for the native population.

b. = HOME n.1 6.
c1892 C. BINGHAM Song, The Dear Home-Land. 1899 Daily News 26 Oct. 7/1 Looking..at the old Home~land through the eyes of Young Australia. 1905 Daily Chron. 22 June 6/6 We are here to-night..a body of Canadian business men, chiefly in order that we may learn to know the people of the homeland. 1907 SCOTT & WALLAS (title) The call of the Homeland: a collection of English verse.

Considering everything else Bushler has done, the context in which this new language usage has taken place, the resemblance between Hitler's and Bushler's governments is uncanny.

Btw, There might be a neo-Nazi on this thread. :)

...jump up, click my heels together, throw up my right hand and scream "Heil!" every time I hear the Chief of Homeland Security use that expression. I figured either a Fascist or a Communist named that agency.

Both terms make me cringe! :puke: