More breaking news: Leahy subpoenas Karl Rove

MSNBC.
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Let's put Bush's library (how many books will it have?) in Baghdad.



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Happy day!!!!!!

pocket.

The tossers of the "Bush enabler" tag?

They'll probably still run around in circles demanding impeachment votes without the vote to prevail...or find something else to complain about...

How's that Rice subpoena coming along? :shrug:

Or, not?

What they won't acknowledgeis that they were just buzzing flies trying to distract our chess players.

Now that I think of it, they're a lot like Bush -- impulsive, stubborn to a fault, and unable to admit they've made mistakes.

His office was ecstatic. At least the person I spoke with was nice and said she appreciated my words, once they figured out why I was calling...;-)

I am one of those that was getting tired of the rhetoric and saw compicity in their inaction. But, I never heaped scorn on fellow DU'ers and if I did I tried to recant or apologize. Hell, I have even been called "insincere" for apologizing...

I wish you the best and hope that others who were wrong about Conyers do the same as I and realize that it takes more courage to say you were wrong than to remain silent, regardless of what some DU'er who you have never met says about you. Even if they compare you to Bush, take the high road and apologize. There is nothing wrong with humbling oneself before the masses.

Peace.

My apology was immediate. Gave it 24 hours ago. So does that mean that someone owes me an apology for their quick judgment?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3401323&mesg_id=3401460

My own post date back more than 24hrs...and they were not snarky...just plain ignorant ;-) I have probably been ignored by quite a few...but thanks to the few at DU who kept trying to educate me, I learned about the process and actually began to see where I was getting it wrong.

That is why I never take offense when someone calls me ignorant. Ignorance is curable.

Peace.

Don't like crow that much, but I have to admit to having some faith restored. I called Conyers office and told them as much.

Peace.

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and, then an angry letter to the White House and an eventual charge of contempt of the senate that is along party lines.

no executive privilege. His sorry ass will have to testify.

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the subpoena, I mean?

I think that Bush's next step is to get all this into the courts and up to the Supreme Court as fast as possible. His lawyers will argue that Executive Privilege trumps everything, or even that Congress has no oversight powers at all, only advisory. Then the question is just how reactionary is the Alito court? Will they vote 5-4 to install a "Unitary Executive"?

E.P. can't not be used to obstruct investigation of a criminal matter. If Bush tries it, he will also be obstructing justice. I suspect this is what Arlen was splainin to him on A.F. 1 today.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/26/01945/0694



It's been about showing there was need for a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION - laying ground work for same. They beat King george's privilege assertion and give him a swift kick to the balls.

who is a complete Bozo. Big surprise..:eyes:

of the First Order ;)
Gonzo was in WAY over his head and too fucking arrogant to notice.

Look at the Libby trial. That judge was a Bush (SR) appointee. That didn't work out too well, did it?

Say they go to court, and get a ruling against them. They appeal, and get another ruling against them.

If they go to the Supremes, and they overturn, it will be seen as a political payback. Especially when these "strict constructionists" suddenly get less strict to accomodate their li'l buddy.

Yes, the Bush government wants this thing in the courts -- but not as soon as possible. In fact, I think they want it to go as slow as possible. Otherwise -- yeah, the question will be about the wartime powers of the unitary executive.

Bush v. Gore held that, just this one time, the "law" says that Bush wins the White House. There is a chance that the Roberts Court will say, just this one time, the "law" says Bush does not have to answer to Congress.

I really don't know what Roberts and Scalia are capable of doing -- but if anybody tells you that they know for sure that they wouldn't pull another Bush v. Gore type of travesty out of the bottom of their robes is lying to you. These are weird times -- even weirder than the 60s. Who knows how weird it is going to get yet?



It will come down to impeachment, any way. Even in the Supreme Court rules against him, Bush will not give in. It is not in his nature to give in -- he is a weak and foolish man who confuses stupid stubbornness with the strength of character that he has never had.

He will also end up in prison some day. He'll probably die in prison.

Or pretty damn close anyway

Except this time around it'll be for legitimate reasons. I'm starting to feel some pride in congress again.

That's the question...

The stakes are increasing but these people have very little to loose by going all in. If Rove went in and gave a truthful testimony it would destroy this WH. Ditto for Miers and Gonzo. The strategy will be to bluff by obfuscating and making indefensible assertions of EP until impeachment and investigation by special prosecutor are the only remedies against them.

IMO this is going to screw them though, because the info is bleeding out now, and every new detail uncovers 3 new scandals or potentially criminal acts. Once all the investigations have concluded and indictments are filed, King George the Mad may not be around to issue pardons anymore.

I'm following your thread now. Will soon head to the Senate.

flipping back & forth between this and cnn

a brief news conference -- CNN covered it and cut it off as soon as Feinstein got up to speak. They then went back to Wall Street news. Apparently the market it tanking today.

Leahy's announcement was from the Senate floor and therefore, covered by C-SPAN2.

Otherwise, the MSM is pretty much minimizing or even ignoring the stories.

impeach Gonzo first!

And I mean that in that cool way the kids say it. Shut up! Get out of town! No way!

Stunned with giddy happy disbelief.

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Leahy is knocking em off balance.
Keep em reeling back on their heels !!!!
Whooooo Hoooooooo.

MSNBC has coverage now

ooo the waiting is the hardest part!

The waiting is the hardest part
Every day you get one more yard
You take it on faith, you take it to the heart
The waiting is the hardest part

Pat Leahy is a former prosecutor and knows this group is bad.

one methodical step at a time.

Leahy da man!

Edit: Hey, I've got an idea. We should upload video clips of our questions to Rove to Leahy, like they did for the Democratic presidential primary debate. They Leahy could select which ones to play for Rove and he would have to answer us under oath. Would that be fun or what?

I guess we'll soon find out!

on a t-shirt? :)

I'm fairly certain someone used it as an article title or some such.

That's almost warp speed for the government. :D

The they do congress.
They have let these guys hang themselves in public, and now will turn them over to a special prosecutor.

Had my doubts, but it seems the dems are going slow purposely to bring the rest of the country along with them.

Would have loved to be a fly on the walls of the airplane! :rofl:

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We've waited so long for this to happen.

:woohoo:

to the attorney firings, since the thought of subpoena-ing Rove really hasn't been discussed to this point. I think they already have the case made!

That is the purpose of this. Under Clinton, Clinton tried to use exec priv on some of his staff relating to Monica. He lost in court and his staff had to testify. Obviously, Clinton has nothing to do with it, I'm just trying to show the precedent for the president. Ow, that was bad.

BushCo is in dire need of a big-time distraction.

U.S. say more accurate Green Zone attacks aided by Iran

it always seems to be "seven" going off simultaneously.

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2427072&mesg_id=2427072

..it's nice to have the first two threads I read be this one and the one about the the Special prosecutor.That's what we're talking about.

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The question of course is "What would * do?"

I think the strategy is to make * keep inventing reasons to keep witnesses from testifying to make it crystal clear where he and his cadre stand in regards to the law and how they think it applies to them, "Laws??? Those are for poor stupid people like you!"

I wouldn't be surprised to see subpoenas for * and Darth come after they refuse to produce Rove, and then it will come down to whether this "Executive Privilege during Wartime" will hold up in the court of public opinion. We already know what Roberts and Alito think about it. :mad:

All and all, this should be a good show.

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doesn't good news come in THREES??????

what's next?

and then gave a great speech.

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What's going on?

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After ALL the fucking laws this administration has broken, the media will tell the masses that this is about politics.

:argh:

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The rats are cornered. Bush helped us big time when he pardoned Libby

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DEMs on the Hill making sure August vacation is hot hot hot for the GOP!

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Love this bit of explaination about what Conyers is accomplishing too:

cheney must be using antacids by the truck load.

about now.

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Pass the salt, please. :popcorn:

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Getting Gutsy Leahy I like it

edit to add: assuming they invoke exec privelege--which they will...

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Thank you Senator Leahy, today we start getting our country back.

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like Leahy, Schumer and whoever else.

oh, may be Rove has his own counsel, he will be needing it.

n/t

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It would be fitting in this case, but not right. Get it, Karl?

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...on second thought, I'd be happy to pitch in for a few gallons of Culligan!

edited for spelling

My first post was when Tom Delay was indicted. It's been a long ride since then. Glad you're here.

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Subpoenaed for this?
Subpoenaed for that?

Subpoenaed for what?

I swear to gawd if he curls up in a fetal position on the floor ala Jim Baker, I'm going to laugh until I pee my pants.

panties with joy.

So far I still see the two most dangerous thugs unscathed and sitting pretty in the Oval Office. cheney and his puppet chimpy are still sitting pretty and they still have all the power of the Oval Office at their command.

I'll pop open the champagne when it looks like we're headed for more than 'hearings'.

On Iran's "Gulf of Tonken" moment. A supeana that will be ignored is small potatoes,especially when you figure how many months, years will be eaten by appeals etc.

You want to pop some champagne.....get your Rep to endorse House Res 333. Dont wait for the mainstream media to tell you Kucinich has 15 brave Representatives signed on and he only needs a few more. Pressure, cajole,demand, shame, force your Rep. to take us over the top.

Once an impeachment investigation is rolling NO EXECUTIVE PRIVLEDGE WILL BE ALLOWED.

If this ever gets to court, a court would decide whether executive privilege applies based on the needs of Congress. Impeachment would create the strongest showing of need. In that case, the courts would be least likely to rule in Bush's favor.

The fact that an impeachment is underway does not bar Bush from claiming executive privilege.

YEEEEAAAAH!!

Woot! :party:

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Hahahahahhahahahaha - I'm lovin it.
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Our government has been taken over by a fascist mob! The repukes in Congress LET IT HAPPEN and are STILL enabling in the cover-up!

Go Leahy Go!:woohoo:

they're setting the pieces very methodically.
however...
iran worries me.

what for? This is a joke, folks, it will lead to nothing. FUCKING NOTHING.

Impeachment is the only solution. Shame on Pelosi and the other Bush enablers posing as Democrats.