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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:42 AM
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We know what will be all over the news and the DU boards for the next
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 11:52 AM by tblue37
few weeks or so: attempts by Congress to exercise its Constitutional oversight duty, and attempts by BushCo to block oversight by claiming executive privilege.

Therefore, I would like to help all those who will post on this topic by letting them know that the proper spelling is "privilege," not "priviledge."

It isn't a big deal, of course, but knowing in advance how to spell the word might help people discuss the topic more comfortably.

Thank you.

We will now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:44 AM
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1. Was that a message from our sponsers ?
:rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. It was a pleasure and *priviledge* to read.
:rofl:
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #1
7. Nah--just an old English teacher.
I am not the Grammar Police. I would never call a DU member out for making an error in grammar or usage, but I must admit that seeing "priviledge" a hundred times a day does wear on me. It's sort of like hearing fingernails on a blackboard.

I expect to see "priviledge" quite a lot, but I am hoping that a heads up might reduce its occurrence. I also think a lot of people actually would prefer to know the proper spelling of a word they are going to post frequently on a public site. I mean, think about how often the guy with the "Get a Brain Morans" sign is held up for ridicule here on DU.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
23. The Finns are lucky
they have no prepositions in their language. So they never need to say "you shouldn't end a sentence with with.............lol.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:14 PM
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38. There is nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition.
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 12:15 PM by tblue37
See my articles on this topic:

"It's Usually Not Wrong to End a Sentence with a Preposition"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/prepositions1.html

"Prepositions at the Ends of Sentences: Further Explanation of Why the 'Rule' Is Wrong"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/prepositions2.html

What looks like a preposition in such sentences is actually an adverbial particle in a phrasal verb. In other words, it isn't really a peposition at all, but part of the verb itself. It should not be separated from the other part of the verb.

On the other hand, you might want to be careful about ending a sentence with a proposition.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
65. Nothing ventured, nothing gained! :)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
64. How do they go TO the bathroom?!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #64
66. Good question
My daughter has got a Finnish friend on the IMDB Lostboard : I'll get her to check............lol.

Maybe Finnish ladies they just don't :rofl:
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:06 PM
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34. I so agree with you.
My two pet peeves about spelling are sepArate (not sepErate) and pUrsue, not pErsue. Those two misspellings are my fingernails on the blackboard moments.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. On my _Grammar and Usage for the Non-Expert _ site
I have two articles that cover some of those common errors (including seperate/separate; alot/a lot):
"Ten Common but Easily Corrected Errors"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/tenerrors.html

and

"Son of Ten Common Errors"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/son.html
I also have a few other articles that deal with some problematic word pairs (e.g., "flout" vs. "flaunt"; "flounder" vs. "founder") that readers have asked me to address.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #41
59. I'll send my students there n/t
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #41
68. Great articles!!
I have them bookmarked. I would also love to read your other articles that you mentioned in your post. Could you send me the link to those as well?

I have thought of another word that really gets to me. I hate it when people use the word "your" when they need the contraction for you are, "you're."
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:46 AM
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3. Sort of like "judgement"
One of those commonly misspelled legal words, like "judgment" being spelled "judgement."

Or confusion between "statute" and "statue."

The law is confusing, even for spelling.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
9. "Judgment" is the preferred American spelling.
"Judgement" is the British spelling.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
31. Changing the spelling of a language
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 12:07 PM by edwardlindy
is plain fucking arrogance.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #31
42. You would need to take that up with Noah Webser, who deliberately modified
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 12:31 PM by tblue37
some spellings to "Americanize" them when he produced his An American Dictionary of the English Language in 1828. That is why we have such differences as
theater/theatre
dialog/dialogue
catalog/catalogue
analog/analogue
criticize/criticise
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
58. I have a feeling
that the same has now happened to make the US print of the Complete Oxford English Dictionary differ from ours - most odd . Never mind - at least DU can't be respelt..lol.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
17. Judgement Is Acceptable.
Though in professional/court type settings you'd never see it used, it is acceptable for use in casual discussion.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. And one more...
The proper spelling for "President Bush" is actually "Ignorant Douchebag."

That is all. :)
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. Yes, but it is not the preferred American usage,
and there are always those who will jump down your throat for it.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Don't Care Who Prefers It. It Is Still Acceptable And Technically Not Misspelled.
That was my only point.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:58 PM
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52. Of course.
On my site I have an article entitled "When is a Comma Splice Not an Error?":
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/spliceok.html

In that article I point out that there are some "rules" that are worth defying in order to promote more reasonable usage (e.g., the false rule about prepositions at the ends of sentences).

But some other "rules," though they not actually rules but merely general preferences, are not necessarily worth fighting over. No matter what, you are going to run afoul of the self-appointed Grammar Police if you break whichever shibboleth they have adopted as their own. Since you are often not going to be there to defend your written work, you need to be judicious about which "rules" you choose to break.

I always defy the no prepositions at the ends of sentences "rule," because to follow it is to write hideously deformed and ridiculous sentences. But I never break the comma splice rule, even in sentences where it really would be appropriate to ignore it, simply because it is easy to write sentences without comma splices, and to include even acceptable comma splices in a situation where I would not be there to defend my choice would make a lot of people assume that I don't understand the most basic rule of sentence boundaries.

Basically, you have to balance your interests when deciding whether to buck the dominant prejudice on usage.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #3
21. I blame spellcheck functions in software appz. nt
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
25. uh oh, my dictionary says
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 11:57 AM by hfojvt
judgement is correct - in England. I feel the English of Britain should have the final say over proper spelling, if not pronounciation of the English language. Its a judgement call.

edit: and welcome to hell, er, I mean DU :evilgrin:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Pronunciation.
And "it's a judgement call".

:hide:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. congradulations!
You found the delibarate errers.

At least you didn't insist on 'judgment' to.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
47. Once again--take it up with Noah Webster,
He deliberately "Americanized" the spelling of several words. Part of his purpose was to differentiate the new country's langage from that of the old country it had wrenched its freedom from just a few decades earlier.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:46 AM
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4. Also not "privelege." nt
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. Yeah--but I seldom see that one. n/t
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:47 AM
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5. right up there with 'marshall' law.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:49 AM
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Or "marital" law, which recently appeared on a thread here
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #5
15. Yeah, that one kind of gets me, too. n/t
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #15
26. and reading it, i get the impression many don't know what it really means
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 12:00 PM by KG
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:48 AM
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6. And I'd also like to add
that if the Bushies go nuts and decide to declare martial law, it's spelled martial, not marshal. Federal marshals are the guys who will go get KKKarl and Gonzo when they defy their subpoenas, not supenas or sopenas or other weird variant spellings.

Thank you. Carry on. :)

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:49 AM
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8. Thank you for pointing out the proper spellings for govermnental words
It is a priviledge to be able to post liberel thoughts on this board. We need to discuss the misdoeings of this adminstration.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:51 AM
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16. Good one! (eom)
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:49 AM
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11. Thank you.
I'm really growing weary of all the misspelled words I see here.

There's no excuse since DU has a Spell Check.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:50 AM
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12. and it's anal not anel
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. are you sure????
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 11:54 AM by emulatorloo
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:50 AM
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13. Naw...we have more important stuff to dwell on.....Lindsy's back in jail!
:rofl:
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. That's "Lindsay"
hehe.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:50 AM
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14. WOW THIS IS HUGH111!!! I AM SO SERIES!!!!!!111
thanks for the post -- I enjoyed it.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:52 AM
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19. May I add...
It is "for all intents and purposes" not "for all intensive purposes," and "regardless" not "irregardless." The latter of which I had used all my life up until a few weeks ago when I was informed it was not a proper word. I don't know though--"irregardless" seems to flow off of your tongue a lot nice than "regardless." Something about that extra syllable.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:53 AM
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22. Thanks...I'm one who needed that. nt
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:56 AM
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27. Do you alledge that some here have spelling issues?
:shrug:

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Sure - try changing alledge
to allegation. :rofl: It's allege.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. well is it plege of allegiance?
:silly:

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. What's alledge
got to do with pledge :)

Call it a draw especially as I see you're a helper in N.O.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:24 PM
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54. Seems as your humor hat was not on this morning
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 02:28 PM by merh
my comments were silly sarcasim and nothing more. There can be no draw when no contest had.

I'm a Katrina survivor, that doesn't mean I need your pity or to be granted an excuse. I was playing games and being a smart ass.

I do that from time to time when folks post silly threads. :silly:

:hi:

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. Profuse apologies
I didn't realise you'd suffered personally from Katrina. I'd thought you were providing volantary help. Thoughts are with you. :hi:
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. Who were the alligators? (hehehe)
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:56 AM
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28. And for God's sake, German chocolate cake refers to Sam German,
not the country of Germany! Get it right!
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:02 PM
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29. Okay..
I hope I don't appear stupid but, I have seen defense/defence in regard to the military. Which is correct?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. S in America, c in England.
In proper names, don't change the spelling to your country's. It is the Ministry of Defence, and the Secretary of Defense.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. The first is Murkan, the 2nd British
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. Another American/English difference.
I have a couple of articles on my Grammar and Usage for the Non-Expert site that deal with differences between American and English Usage (including the way we place periods and commas with quotations marks and the way we use single and double quotation marks):
"American vs. British Usage"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/british.html

"Quotation Marks: Where Do the Periods and Commas Go--And Why?"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

"Single vs. Double Quotation Marks: Once Again British and American Usage Differ"
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/singlequotationmark.html
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #29
53. It is never stupid to ask a question in order to gain information you need. (eom)
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:09 PM
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36. Can I e-mail you when I'm in trouble or can't remember? I notice
that I make fewer errors when I'm really angry. I make the most when I'm feeling guilty about taking time to write something. (If there are no errors in this message it's not because I'm angry - it's because the message is short.) Also, I think I would make fewer mistakes if I got new glasses and the background for internet screens wasn't snow white.

I must admit that I sometimes like to break some rules. Purposely.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. Actually, my grammar and usage site is very popular, and my
readers frequently email me with questions. I am always glad to respond, and if the question is one that I think would be of general interest, I also post an article on it. (If not, I just send the email response.)

If you happen to read any of my articles, you will see that many of them start off with a shout-out to whichever reader posed the question that prompted the article. And if the reader happens to have a website of his/her own to publicize, I also include a link.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:47 PM
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56. Thanks. So, what it the site?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. I have posted links in various posts on this thread to
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 05:36 PM by tblue37
specific articles on the site. Here is the link to the homepage for the site:
Grammar and Usage for the Non-Expert
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/index.html

BTW, if you go to the homepage of any of my sites, including this one, you will also find a list of links to my other nine public sites. I write on a wide variety of topics that you might find interesting.

Also, every article and every page on each one of my sites has at the bottom a link to the homepage for that site and a link to the article index for that site. In other words, you can easily navigate through all 450 of the articles on my 10 sites from any article on any of the sites.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:43 PM
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46. Excellendt poindt! Thandk ydou!
:thumbsup:

--p!
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:46 PM
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48. lodl (nt)
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:50 PM
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51. If Simple Scotty could say "Impordunt" for a few years, I can say priviledge.
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 12:51 PM by Beelzebud
:D
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:28 PM
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55. I thot it was privvy ledge
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 02:28 PM by yurbud
like an outhouse on a cliff.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:04 PM
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60. I have been noticing a lot of "S"s where I was
taught to use "Z"s.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:17 PM
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62. Paris Hilton? The View? Anna Nicole?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:36 PM
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63. And let us also remember that when * claims the EP
and that he is the decider, that he wants martial law, not marshall law!

:hi:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:02 AM
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67. WHILE we are at it
"Lose". Not "loose". An oooo sound doesn't necessarily mean more than one o.

It's "martial law", not "marshall law" or "marital law". Please, please, PLEASE spell that one correctly.

You're is a contraction. That means it's (a contraction of 'it is', by the by) TWO WORDS: 'you' and 'are'. You wouldn't say "this is you are book"; why would you say "this is you're book"?

:grr:
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