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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:40 PM
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GOP Senators offer plan for universal health care
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/18405.html

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A group of conservative Republican senators put forth a plan Thursday that seeks to ensure every American has health insurance — a cause long championed by the political left.

The bill encourages families to find their own health coverage and offers refundable tax credits of up to $5,400 per family. But advocates for the uninsured say the proposal could jeopardize low-income families and chronically ill patients, as well as the employment-based health-care system, which now covers 65 percent of Americans.

"It's time for a major debate on health care insurance," Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., said in a statement. "Not enough people have access to affordable health care, and the Congress has not done enough about this crisis." Martinez was joined in introducing the bill by fellow Republican Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Bob Corker of Tennessee.
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HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS????
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:44 PM
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1. Oh this ought to be good
:rofl: :eyes:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:44 PM
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2.  health insurance is the problem making every American has health insurance only helps the
Insurance Companies. WE need Health CARE
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:46 PM
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3. You knew this was coming
Drumroll please............

"special tax credits"

:boring:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:48 PM
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4. Depending on the criteria
This could cause some real trouble. People like simple answers and this is simple, and sounds big enough to help most young families.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:52 PM
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6. It's exactly the same as the Bush plan from the State of the Union Address
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 06:54 PM by bluestateguy
and it's going nowhere in Congress. Don't worry about it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:55 PM
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7. It's refundable
I think that's different, isn't it? I don't remember. I thought Bush was pushing HSAs.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:44 PM
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13. deleted n/t
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 07:44 PM by antigop
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:52 PM
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5. as if families on a string will have that much in taxable incomes. IDIOTS!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:58 PM
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9. Refundable, like EIC
Refundable. You get it back even with zero tax due, and probably can have it added to your check the way EIC is, if you have insurance. I think this is different than what they've pushed so far.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:23 PM
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23. No they are depending that citizens will not be aware that
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 08:26 PM by Stargazer99
the poor and low-income do not have enough income to be taxed, so the "solution" looks good to the average citizen or the Repubs are just too judgemental in thinking if they don't pay taxes they don't deserve any consideration. Just like the BS that every American has access to health care....like if they don't mind going to the emergency room and being billed far more than being seen in a clinic...then comes the collection agencies and bankruptcy...the solution smells like rotten fish.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:57 PM
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8. They want us to keep feeding the insurance companies....
fuck them.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:59 PM
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10. this is the same plan that Bush was pushing during the 2006 campaign!


......The bill could bring health coverage to millions of Americans now without it. But Burr said in an interview that it also would begin taxing the value of health-care plans that many employers now offer workers, a controversial provision sure to face opposition. Such benefits are now tax-free, both for the employer and the worker.

"Our aim is to remove inequities in our tax laws and make tax relief for health insurance available to everyone," Martinez said.

The legislation would offer special tax credits to help cover the cost of health insurance and other health bills: $2,160 per person, up to a maximum of $5,400 per family.

Burr, a member of the Senate health committee, said the plan would level the field, describing a Robin Hood-like bureaucracy that would take money from those with rich health-care plans to help pay for those who have nothing.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:00 PM
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11. Well ... looky, looky ... health care VOUCHERS.
It's the same ol' GOP shit ... milk working taxpayers to enrich the corporations. Watch the premiums go up equal to the amount of the tax credit ... and freeze out anyone below the median wage.

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:45 PM
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14. BINGO! n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:47 PM
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16. But, hey, if you make below the median wage, it's your fault!
Why don't you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:56 PM
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20. Mine are higher than that credit
Already. Just to keep things in perspective.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:29 PM
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12. This is more GOP bs and it's not universal health care. nt
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:46 PM
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15. Tax credits are useless when you're too poor to afford health care in the first place.
Oh, well, do I fucking wait a whole damn year for the tax credit to kick in when I need 5400 dollars now!?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:48 PM
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17. And if you're poor will health insurance be the first thing you buy?
I can see it now...a poor family decides to pay bills, buy kids clothes, etc. RW nutjobs blame the family for not having health insurance.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:54 PM
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19. Tax credts are also useless when you're out of work and not paying taxes
It can take a very long time, more than a year, to find a new job once laid off or whatever.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:58 PM
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21. It would have to be like EIC
Reimbursed in every paycheck. I don't remember how long it took for them to do that with EIC, a few years.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:53 PM
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18. Well, since corporations have a commitment to society...
If only the big ones didn't come in and wipe out the little ones, of which their greater numbers allowed for more working people AND keep communities open as well...

Big Government may be inept; but Big Business would do itself a lot of honor (and surrogate credibility) if they could do what government cannot. So far, Big Business seems just as mindless as Big Government.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:00 PM
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22. The policies will pay so little that the doctors will not contract with them.
That leaves the patient to pay for the difference between what the insurance company pays and amount billed by the doctor. I know I work for a medical clinic that is canceling contracts with insurance companies.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:29 PM
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24. They are grabbing the reins from DC Dems and changing the topic from healthcare
and turning it into a huge insurance industry pork fest. This is what happens when the leaders of the Dem party are not firmly grasping the reins and leading the cause.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:32 PM
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25. If Richard Burr is involved, you know it was cooked up by insurance companies...
Just a total waste of time even listening to the details.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:51 PM
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26. This appears to be universal welfare for health insurance companies at taxpayer expense
Which health insurance company lobbying organization REALLY wrote the plan?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:58 PM
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27. The hell with tax credits!
I'm self-employed. My health insurance premiums are already tax deductible. They're still unaffordable. Big whoop!
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