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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:46 PM Original message |
Was Pat Tillman Murdered? Absulutely Yes, according to A Nam Vet |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm waiting for the body to be exhumed for another autopsy. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. That would be quite a trick. Wasn't Tillman cremated? |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Yes, and quickly cremated too n/t |
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Decruiter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 03:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
68. I know both Stan Goff and BIll Perry. Everyone really should read |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is anybody talking about the fact that there seems to be no compelling evidence |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Could you try that again, please? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. There was no firefight. There was not fighting going on. |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Gotcha, thanks. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. It also debunks the "Stop snivelling" comment, as well |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 04:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
73. The "sniveling" comment has itself been challenged. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:55 PM Original message |
Thanks! This answers the questions that were bothering me |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Army officers sending congratulatory emails to each other in fending off |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. The current M-16 fires a three round burst on full auto. The trigger must |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You are contradicting Perry, quoted by the OP. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Personal experience. I didn't serve in Nam, but was on the Commanding |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Those paper targets seemed really far away... |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Paper targets behave differently on impact than does a body part. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Tillman's head would have moved |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. OK, that makes sense. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
61. Targets don't move as a human body would . . . unless held in some manner -- !!! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
63. If the OP is going by his Vietnam experience-- |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Different M-16, no forensic evidence (reported) |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. M16s are different now. Nam was 30-40 years ago |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
46. I'm not an expert, but IIRC M-16s did not have that 3-round burst setting back in 'Nam |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. So, as some have already said, it is quite possible... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I'll give you accident on a body shot, not straight in the forehead. nt. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Why not? In the grand scheme of things, a coincidence is... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Because it is less likely than the other explanation. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. A coincidental head-shot is unlikely... |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I didn't say it was an accident. If Tillman was shot from 30 feet the |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Why a target? No one has ever been shot accidentally? |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Highly unlikely it was an accident based on circumstancial evidence. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. To some without a confession there is no case. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
75. There are some folks who demand incontrovertible proof before even asking for investigation. |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
62. I read somewhere the shooter could barley see and did not have his glasses on. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 03:45 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. is that what your rightwing buds told you? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Does eat oats and mares eat oats |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Spread pattern. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. I was only addressing the possibility that a full auto 3 round burst |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. It's "entirely possible" if that M16 was used by an expert aiming at Tillman's head at close range. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. "from a few yards away, in broad daylight" |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 03:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
69. Not to mention |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. This is the second time I've seen this explained. Thanks. n/t |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. Still doesn't answer my questions... |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. It seems that NOTHING will ever be a satisfactory answer to your so-called "questions", IMO. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Well, I like forensics... n/t |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. if you "like" them so much, perhaps you should consider IGNORING them less often. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Well, I'm just sayin... |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 03:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. It was ruled friendly fire. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 03:58 AM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Pfft. It was never "ruled" anything. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. I want to know why Tillman's personal effects (clothes, diary) were burned. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. This is why I hope my questions are answered... |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. I did read that his brain was evulsed (out of his head) |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Do you have that link? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. By Stan Goff |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Thank you....I'll read it :) n/t |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. CIA Paramlitaries were present @ the scene...... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. Sounds like a weapon on 'burst' setting |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. According to a post up above: not the shooter's rifle. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I don't know the model they were issued |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Which fact is only relevant if this particular rifle could do this. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. What kind of rifle was it? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Everything I'm seeing says M-16. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Which M16? That's the point. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 03:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
67. It could have been a full-auto |
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Az_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
22. rediculous...he was hit with a 3-round burst. not dbl or triple tapped |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
30. I posted this about the lies |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. Tillman was a Ranger... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. My research says: they each can choose their own. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
45. There's something funny, in a sad way, |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
54. kcik |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. "body to be exhumed for another autopsy.." |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I didn't know that. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
56. "He never would have called me 'sniveling,'" O'Neal said - Tillman thread |
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TroubleMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
60. M16A2's can shoot a 3 round burst, the M16A1's were either one shot or fully auto. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. All models of M16 can fire a three-round burst. |
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nonny (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
76. Shot in the forehead ---- HELMET? |
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CGowen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. depends on the helmet |
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