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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:09 AM
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WTF is wrong with these people?
Little Boots ran out and pitched a little hissyfit a couple of days ago and they cave? Something stinks to high heaven here. He bellowed that Congress needs to give him his bill right now and both the House and the Senate wagged their tails and rolled over on command.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:10 AM
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1. I agree...there's something more here
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:20 AM
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6. There was a change when Waxman agreed to meet with Rove behind closed
doors with not transcript and not under oath. Something changed last week during the hearings. I could tell that specter was stronger and seeming confident that the Senate Judicial Committee would go along with HIS negotiations with Rove and not Leahy's. Watching all the hearings on C-Span 3...I picked up a change but didn't know what it might be. Also Sheldon Whitehouse gave his time for questioning Jennings to Leahy...he seemed very discouraged at that hearing. Whitehouse seemed to be the best of the new Senators...to me...in the way he questioned Gonzo..

Anyway...something happened. And that's disturbing. What could it have been? Until we know how can we progressives move forward?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:43 AM
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15. Cheney probably went into his man-sized safe and took out dossiers on all of them.... eom
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:12 AM
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2. it's status quo bullshit
Edited on Sun Aug-05-07 09:13 AM by Wetzelbill
they all essentially believe in the same things, no side truly cares enough to make a stand, especially if they think it may hurt them politically. The fact of the matter is, a lot of truly weak and duplicitous people seek public office. Not many can be truly trusted and counted on.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:13 AM
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3. well it is hardly the first time....
http://counterpunch.com/lindorff08042007.html

Spy Power: Bush Demands, Congress Delivers -- Again and Again and Again

By DAVE LINDORFF

What was Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) thinking when he told Senate colleagues it was a "sad day" when that body started taking its marching orders from an outsider (the president and the director of national security), in passing a new version of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that gives the president a free hand to spy on communications of Americans without a judicial review?

Is he implying that this is the first time the Senate has done this?

Isn't that exactly what the Senate (and the House) did when they passed the so-called USA PATRIOT Act in October 2001? Isn't that what they did in overturning the Posse Comitatus Act and in altering the Insurrection Act last fall? Isn't it what they did in approving the Military Commissions Act last year, which retroactively okayed the use of torture on captives?

The truth is that the Senate and House have both become little more than rubber stamps for Administration power grabs ever since 9-11. Indeed, since that date, the members of Congress have been willing sell-outs of their own institution, which today bears no resemblance to what the Founders described in Article I of the Constitution--a document which the members have effectively destroyed.

For the past six-and-a-half years we have watched as a group of political midgets have destroyed what hundreds of thousands of our ancestors put their lives on the line to create and defend--a government system that was founded on the concept of individual rights and liberties, and that was structured to limit the power of the executive.

:(
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:14 AM
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4. !
:)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:19 AM
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5. This article needs it's own thread. n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:20 AM
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7. Well, at least, Dubai is getting prettier and prettier for them all. nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:58 AM
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21. I wish I can recommend this post! Please put this article in its own thread!
:aplause:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 04:03 PM
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25. alrighty then!
:)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:23 AM
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8. I think the administration is flat out using the Luka Brazzi strategy
Offers they can't refuse. Brains or signatures on legislation and such.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:25 AM
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9. If a person performs as if they are being blackmailed, they need
to be replaced. When rhetoric doesn't match votes, they need to be turned out. Either that or step down and do a service to the nation. Clinging to an office for the sake of being there and participating in the dismantling of the nation does no one any favors.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:29 AM
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10. Ah, but it might keep their immediate family alive
"We know where your kids go to school" is another popular thug quote.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:51 AM
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18. Agree
and given the history of cowardice in this group, its likely that whatever Bush or Cheney has on Dems doesn't amount to much. These people are afraid of their own shadow.

Get it out, deal with it in public. Its probably nothing to get excited about and certainly not as bad as the GOP crime and perversion syndicate.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:29 AM
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11. "can't look weak -- better to cave in"
Grow a fucking spine.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:38 AM
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12. They're a bunch of spineless wimps
Either that, or Bush has the goods on all of them, and is blackmailing everyone.

This isn't what we were promised befoe the 2006 election, but since when do politicians keep their promises?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:41 AM
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13. That's what good bushbots do.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:41 AM
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14. And that's the bottom line. They DIDN'T have to give him a bill. FISA was working
fine. It was the little shit's Illegal wiretapping which wasn't fine. Did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1517713

It looks like there's a deal in the bill that gets him and Gonzo and other cohorts off the hook for it.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:44 AM
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16. Which is why there is such an overwhelming stench about this whole affair.
Something is very wrong up there in DC, and I'm starting with Boswell on Monday morning. I want a phone call from that old fart! With an explanation. I've fucking had it!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 11:00 AM
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24. FISA had been revised and updated more than 50 times since enactment, most
recently a year ago. I think you might be right that there's something in the bill that retroactively protects illegal spying. But again...why?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:47 AM
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17. Maybe He's Blackmailing Them, Threatening To Set Off A Nuke
In a US city if they don't give him what he wants? :shrug:

Cheney would probably do something like that. You know:

"Gee, you know, it would be a damn shame if you don't give us this legislation and then something really bad happened to San Francisco".
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:53 AM
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19. Then go to our allies and ask for help
There's no need to buckle under to their criminal threats.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:56 AM
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20. How?
How would our allies help? :shrug:

FYI, I have no idea that this is what happened, but IMO, it's plausible w/ this bunch.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:02 AM
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23. You give them far too much credit.
These are career politicians. I expect they see nothing here but election dynamics. Most of them just don't want to make waves. They just want to keep a low profile and let Bush's approval rating drop (which means both keeping him office and enabling his agenda), because they think that'll position them well for the next election.

You and I don't figure into it. Right and wrong don't figure into it. And the Constitution certainly doesn't figure into it.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:58 AM
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22. A lame duck president with a 30% approval rating cannot exert political pressure.
The Dems either agree with his agenda, or just don't care one way or the other, and just want to avoid rocking the boat until the next election, when they assume they'll gain more seats and their cushy jobs will become a little cushier.
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