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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:55 AM
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They Wouldn't Really Attack Iran, Would They?
http://www.arabamericannews.com/newsarticle.php?articleid=9498

They wouldn't really attack Iran, would they?
By: Paul Street
2007-08-11

Remember the old neoconservative half-joke that "sacking Baghdad is fine but real men go to Tehran?" We are moving into the time when many Washington watchers have thought it possible and even likely that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney would order an attack on Iran .

They wouldn't really do it, would they?

God knows there are a large number of reasons for a rational White House NOT to attack. United States and global public opinion is opposed to a U.S. assault on Iran. So are European and other leading and allied governments, the U.S. intelligence community and much of the nation's military leadership. According to a February 25th "London Times" report, "most senior commanders are prepared to resign if the White House orders a strike against Iran."

- snip -

United States troops are overstretched and have been badly bloodied in Iraq. The American Empire's strung-out, battered and mostly working-class soldiers are increasingly skeptical about Bush's military adventurism (3).

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While "Iran cannot (militarily) defend itself against U.S. attack," Noam Chomsky recently noted, "it can respond in other ways, among them by inciting ever more havoc in Iraq. "Some issue warnings that are more grave," Chomsky adds, noting British military historian Corelli Barnett's judgment that "an attack on Iran would effectively launch World War Tthree" (5).

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A military strike against Iran would be thoroughly illegal under international law and the U.S. Constitution. It would evoke horror and condemnation across the world, further tarnishing the United States' fading "moral credentials" (Bzrezinski), especially if it employs (as it likely would) "low yield" nuclear missiles that would (as a senior U.S. intelligence official told Seymour Hersh) produce "mushroom clouds, radiation, mass casualties and contamination over years"(7).

MUCH MORE, VERY GOOD ARTICLE, AT LINK

Veteran radical historian, journalist, and speaker Paul Street s a Left political commentator in Iowa City, IA.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:14 AM
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1. That's Why They Are Talking About The DRAFT Now!!!
They need the DRAFT so they can start the Iran war!
They will try to sucker the Dems into passing it so we get the blame.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:27 AM
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2. Of course they'd go to Iran. That was bush's objective since the
beginning of his reign. Nothing and no one can or will stop them. Halliburton, et al, needs more dough. And I love how pelosi and the gang of wimps will just sit back and let it happen. I'm sure that's why they are all out of session and why his little royal hinny is at poppy's place. It will happen during this 'recess' and with nobody minding the store. a pox on them all.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:39 AM
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3. based on info gained under the new improved FISA act, of course.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:26 AM
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12. Do I even need to check to see if Exxon or any other big oil company is still rated "buy"? n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:41 AM
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4. Of course they would.............
it would fulfill prophecy. Jesus would be pleased that Bush killed non believers.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:42 AM
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5. Great article, and I wouldn't put it past them.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:42 AM
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6. DELETE...thanks mods.
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 02:43 AM by Philosoraptor
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:51 AM
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7. They attacked Iraq for no good reason.
They'll attack Iran if they can get away with it. Sneer's been talking about it to any nutwork that'll listen.

Why?

For PNAC! For a lot of oil! For power!

For Chimpire.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:19 AM
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10. They didn't listen to the experts before going into Iraq...
...the experts who told them they were invading with too small a force, and with little knowledge about how Sunnis and Shiias would interact once Saddam was gone. Now, the experts tell them attacking Iran would be an even bigger folly. Why would they listen now?:grr:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:40 AM
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8. sadly, yes
that is what Sy Hersh, me, and a few others have been saying for years... they were going to in March of last year, but something changed , then they were going to that summer, but again it was pushed back. cheney is not leaving office until he gets what the target has been all along. yes, they will, it is simply a matter of when.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:03 AM
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9. that's what I said to my neice about Iraq . . . at the time, she had just graduated West Point . . .
and I was sure that, bad as they were, BushCo couldn't possibly be stupid enough to attack Iraq . . . within the year, my neice was in Iraq -- and fortunately came home safely after her tour . . .

so yes, they most certainly could and would attack Iran . . . without a second thought (if you can call what goes on in this White House thinking) . . .
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:29 AM
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13. Sure they would love to do so but Russia & China may be
a bit of a problem. The Shia in Iraq may be a small problem, as well. If ever the Shia Militias join with the Sunni Insurgency to rid themselves of the boot of the US Regime, thousands of US Troops will die in a week or two.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:22 AM
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11. Complacency happens-
-another snip-
The facts that we have to work like Hell just to form educated guesses about what "our" "leaders" might do in our name — not to mention the name of "democracy" — and that the attack is a possibility are indications that show the building of a serious anti-imperialist movement is long overdue inside the United States.
-snip-

An attack on Iran won't wake the sheeple
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:30 AM
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14. and who's gonna stop them? n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:37 AM
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15. I just heard it on CNN for the second time
last night before I went to sleep and this morning just as I woke up
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:28 AM
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16. Well,Yah!!
the question is when...
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:36 AM
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17. This is why Impeachment is Imperitive.
One unprovoked, illegal war is enough.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:53 AM
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18. We will bomb Iran to punish China (this will deprive China of oil for 2 months)
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:43 PM
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28. Good point....

I can just hear Lou Dobbs saying that this might be a good way to get back at China.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:29 AM
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19. I predict, if this Congress does not begin impeachment proceedings,
that Bush will bring the draft back right before his term is up. Then, if Hillary is in office, she'll repeat the bullshit that every incoming president must honor the outgoing president's policies. That;s how Bill got stuck with Somalia.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:45 PM
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29. They might also point to the succes of the surge....

in September as a good reason for implementing a draft. Small surge good...big surge into Iran even better.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:30 AM
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20. Yep, they will.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:43 AM
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21. What are they waiting for?
Bush has been president nearly seven years. If he's been planning this from day one, he's sure taking his sweet ole time.

We've seen posts like this for over 2 years at DU. We aren't any closer to attacking Iran than we were two years ago.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:46 AM
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22. video simulation of nuke bunker buster use on Iran
this is scary because I know cheney is drooling over using these...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2281


The Nuclear Bunker Buster (flash animation): Simulation of Consequences of a Nuclear Bunker Buster Bomb Attack on Iran

by Union of Concerned Scientists

Global Research, April 18, 2006
ucsusa.org


http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html

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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:47 AM
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23. I could imagine an air campaign, but not a ground assault. nt
He'll use violation of UN mandates as the pretext.

Then the Shite will hit the fan in Iraq.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:46 AM
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25. All Air Force campaign. *baby nukes*, special targets
I remeber reading somewhere that the plan of attack for Iran is written and ready to go. Also, the official response to another terrorist *attack* will be an Air Campaign in Iran. The three Aircraft Carrier groups are in the Gulf now, and will be to the end of August.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:37 AM
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24. If the idea was to own the Middle East
they're following a very simple and logical strategy...
it's as clear as a map.

I don't know why the world seems to be in denial that
this is perhaps no different than invading Poland
and the Sudetanland. US Oil will rule everything from
Pakistan to the Mediterranean.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:12 AM
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26. They're Criminally Insane and I Am Sickened
It's really wearing on me.

I feel like I'm Locked and Chained in the back seat of a car
driven by two criminally insane homicidal maniacs
as they drive 90 miles an hour through crowded streets.

They're laughing maniacally as they massacre the hundreds of thousands
anyone in their way.

Headed for not a cliff, but a bomb factory.


There has to be some way, any way, to stop them!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:43 AM
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27. But where is the money going to come from?
China holds the leash. That is my limited understanding after reading financial articles. They hold our debt. They're financing Bush's wars. And I doubt they want us in the Middle East. They need oil more than we do.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:54 PM
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30. "Attack"? Maybe. "Invade"? No.
I personally think the possibility that the U.S., possibly in concert with Israel, would initiate a "limited, focused, precision attack" on (purportedly) "strategic targets" in Iran is somewhere in the 20-30% probability range. There's about 0% chance this cabal would attempt an invasion in any kind of force. Covert forays? Maybe. But not an invasion.

Now ... the result of such an attack, no matter how it's spun COULD lead to the incessant beating of war drums and possibly some provoked retaliation. This could very well trigger a sequence of events that the more rabid and insane would claim is a casus belli. It's a toss-up, if we got to this point, that they'd succeed in putting us on an expanded war footing - draft and all.

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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:04 PM
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31.  I still feel Iraq was just the begining
and with the permanent bases just a closer place to attack anywhere in the ME . They don't need ground troops for this . I also feel it is their next step , why else would bush grab all the power he has in past months .

They have a plan and we have no real idea when it will unfold . The proof is how badly the situation is in america and they do nothing to repair this , this is proof the majority of americans mean nothing to the elite .
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